| 00:01:10 | <@JAA> | Pics or it didn't happen. :-P |
| 00:04:19 | <flashfire42> | Ok need some advice. For private Vids on my subreddit of unlisted videos am I better off prioritizing a tubeup link or a wayback link? So should https://archive.org/details/youtube-T6tr0Uz2uZU take priority when linking to dead videos or https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/T6tr0Uz2uZU |
| 00:04:33 | <flashfire42> | Obviously if one isnt available I will use the other |
| 00:04:38 | <flashfire42> | but which should take priority? |
| 00:06:18 | <fireonlive> | 🤨 JAA |
| 00:06:22 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 00:06:30 | <@JAA> | flashfire42: ¿Por qué no los dos? |
| 00:06:57 | <flashfire42|m> | You suggest I link to all available mirrors for each video? |
| 00:07:13 | <fireonlive> | i like former because context |
| 00:07:44 | <@JAA> | Sometimes one or the other link dies for $reasons. More fallbacks for future visitors. |
| 00:08:25 | <fireonlive> | what we really need |
| 00:08:28 | <fireonlive> | is a link shortener |
| 00:08:52 | <fireonlive> | that has all the possibile links in it and that way if the other links die the- |
| 00:09:03 | | @JAA puts fireonlive in a human 'shortener'. |
| 00:09:09 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 00:10:08 | <@JAA> | I was thinking meat grinder first, but actually, a guillotine seems more appropriate. |
| 00:10:36 | <fireonlive> | i do like the sound of this |
| 00:10:58 | <fireonlive> | so this url shortener will only be hosted on the free tier of google firebase |
| 00:11:10 | <fireonlive> | and we'll make it mandatory |
| 00:11:15 | <fireonlive> | >:3 |
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| 00:13:22 | <flashfire42> | I would link to the site TheTechRobo runs but also dont wanna encourgae random fuckers to throw stuff into #down-the-tube |
| 00:13:57 | <flashfire42> | Tho that could be an idea too? I dunno I value the opinions here when it comes to web based archival context |
| 00:14:33 | <TheTechRobo> | flashfire42: you have a subreddit of unlisted videos? |
| 00:14:38 | <TheTechRobo> | I feel I am missing valuable context |
| 00:14:45 | <flashfire42> | https://www.reddit.com/r/UnlistedTube/ TheTechRobo |
| 00:14:59 | <flashfire42> | I got moderating duties from the last guy a few years ago. |
| 00:15:34 | <flashfire42> | Trying to figure out the best way to link to dead videos in the comments |
| 00:16:11 | <flashfire42> | Tho your webpage works dynamically rather than having individual links to results. Which is probably helpful in the long run having them generated on the fly |
| 00:16:30 | <TheTechRobo> | Well if you do use my website just want to point out that I'm not sure if I advertised this well or even at all but you can make it automatically perform a search when the page loads |
| 00:16:33 | <TheTechRobo> | e.g. https://findyoutubevideo.thetechrobo.ca/?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRYiAQIATA |
| 00:16:40 | <TheTechRobo> | doesn't currently work with the noscript version but who uses that :P |
| 00:16:46 | | fireonlive points to JAA |
| 00:16:57 | | @JAA slaps TheTechRobo around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:17:00 | <TheTechRobo> | :-) |
| 00:17:16 | <TheTechRobo> | I think I should get points for _having_ a noscript version |
| 00:17:18 | <TheTechRobo> | :P |
| 00:17:24 | <fireonlive> | hmmm |
| 00:17:33 | <TheTechRobo> | though it's horrendously ugly and janky |
| 00:17:33 | <fireonlive> | maybe |
| 00:19:01 | <flashfire42> | I mean I could link to all of them I guess. That url is a fair bit ugly but it would do the job. Tho because this is reddit people will want it instantly so I am better off linking to the wayback and archive links |
| 00:19:50 | <fireonlive> | all about that instant gratification |
| 00:20:10 | <fireonlive> | speaking of which time to grab some booze :D |
| 00:20:34 | <flashfire42> | I think I have a way that works now |
| 00:20:48 | <flashfire42> | https://www.reddit.com/r/UnlistedTube/comments/26yepp/the_black_keys_little_black_submarines/ |
| 00:21:14 | <flashfire42> | Except I linked the wrong video in the comments because I have too many tabs open fuck me |
| 00:22:22 | <flashfire42> | OK NOW |
| 00:22:24 | <flashfire42> | it should work |
| 00:28:23 | <TheTechRobo> | fireonlive: Fixed :-) |
| 00:32:01 | <@JAA> | Lovely new take on Heidi: https://twitter.com/karpi/status/1678321009638637568 :-) |
| 00:32:03 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 00:32:04 | <@JAA> | Barto: ^ |
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| 00:34:15 | <flashfire42> | Alright now I need to figure out a way to word what we wanna do when we have a completely lost video |
| 00:34:22 | <flashfire42> | https://www.reddit.com/r/UnlistedTube/comments/2a8a9r/waffle_flipping_out_in_damned_w_lirik_and_bikeman/ |
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| 00:37:45 | <fireonlive> | general call to action link to modmail if you have it kinda thing? |
| 00:37:59 | <flashfire42> | Yeah thats what I would like to do but not sure how to word it |
| 00:38:11 | <pabs> | fireonlive: any chance that rss bot could drop the → between the links? they are kind of annoying when copy-pasting to text files |
| 00:39:02 | <fireonlive> | sure |
| 00:39:08 | <pabs> | thanks :D |
| 00:39:25 | <fireonlive> | :) |
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| 00:52:32 | <fireonlive> | pabs: done! i don't see you in any of its channels i don't think but the source of the recent one here was #hackernews if you're interested in maybe something I don't relay |
| 00:54:35 | <pabs> | thanks |
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| 01:17:58 | <pabs> | https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10535-backing-up-and-archiving-to-removable-media-dar-vs-git-annex |
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| 01:19:30 | <pabs> | za3k: thuban and I think your file is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MORE_(application) |
| 01:21:19 | <pabs> | discussion from when you were offline https://paste.debian.net/hidden/80e997d8/ |
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| 01:43:08 | <nicolas17> | flashfire42: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341157600290930698/1128423057749459015/image.png |
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| 01:46:03 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
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| 02:28:11 | <nicolas17> | JAA: I was wondering if a pcap-to-warc converter could be used to prove the data is pristine, which would let us accept that data from less-trusted users |
| 02:28:42 | <nicolas17> | turns out the answer is no, the TLS integrity hashes that come from the server can be forged by the client |
| 02:28:45 | <@JAA> | nicolas17: Wouldn't prove anything. |
| 02:29:00 | <@JAA> | Yeah, TLS is symmetric encryption with an asymmetric key exchange. |
| 02:29:25 | <nicolas17> | yes, I just wasn't sure about the integrity part |
| 02:29:34 | <nicolas17> | it's done with shared symmetric keys too |
| 02:29:40 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 02:30:00 | <@JAA> | Sadly, this wasn't a concern when TLS was designed. |
| 02:30:07 | <nicolas17> | there *are* ways to prove the traffic like this, but they are really convoluted, the verifier needs to actively participate in the handshake etc |
| 02:30:29 | <@JAA> | Hmm? |
| 02:31:42 | <@JAA> | Wouldn't it require complete encrypted traffic, guaranteed to not be manipulated? |
| 02:31:52 | <nicolas17> | IIUC, client and verifier work together in the handshake each having a "share" of the key, when the server returns the response the client can't decrypt it, it can send a hash to the verifier (to "commit" to that response), then the verifier sends its share of the key and the client can decrypt it |
| 02:32:05 | <nicolas17> | there's complicated crypto/math involved |
| 02:32:25 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 02:32:28 | <nicolas17> | and needs the verifier to be involved in real time during the request/response, so it's not useful for "here's a 10GB pcap you can verify" |
| 02:32:35 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 02:32:44 | <@JAA> | Interested in the details though if you have links etc. |
| 02:34:01 | <nicolas17> | seems there's tlsnotary for TLS 1.0 and 1.1, DECO for TLS 1.2, and this super recent paper for TLS 1.3 (which also includes some background info on the older ones) https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1056 |
| 02:34:29 | <@JAA> | Thanks |
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| 02:40:41 | <fireonlive> | cute artwork on : https://tlsnotary.org |
| 02:41:35 | <fireonlive> | there's also... signed exchanges |
| 02:41:44 | <fireonlive> | https://blog.cloudflare.com/automatic-signed-exchanges/ |
| 02:41:47 | <fireonlive> | but they're not super in use |
| 02:42:19 | <nicolas17> | yes, that's the straightforward way, but it needs server cooperation |
| 02:42:29 | <fireonlive> | mm |
| 02:42:56 | <nicolas17> | hey imgur can you send us SGXs for every image in your database |
| 02:43:00 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 02:51:44 | <nicolas17> | JAA: maybe it would be less practical to forge at least? :P |
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| 02:52:18 | <nicolas17> | it seems easier to intentionally screw with a warrior without getting caught than to intentionally screw with a TLS'd pcap |
| 02:52:27 | <nicolas17> | not that I know how to do either |
| 02:53:11 | <fireonlive> | "" |
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| 04:36:37 | <fireonlive> | "Simpsons Hit & Run 2003 Source Code": https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run |
| 04:36:59 | <fireonlive> | "Decided to do something dumb today and upload stolen and slightly cleaned up source code from 2003 of The Simpsons: Hit & Run video game for the PS2 Xbox and PC, in which I found on an unknown-ish forum that I'm not going to mention here." |
| 04:37:09 | <fireonlive> | won't last long, so.. whatever |
| 04:37:17 | <fireonlive> | "NOTE: I didn't include the 'documents/' folder in this repo because it contains private information about Radical's (2003) development team and their project notes, vacation schedules etc." |
| 04:39:45 | <@JAA> | Sounds like something for #gitgud then. |
| 04:42:32 | <@JAA> | I'd like to know what the 'unknown-ish forum' is. :-) |
| 04:43:39 | <fireonlive> | me tooo |
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| 04:47:44 | <fireonlive> | https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/blob/main/game/code/cheats/cheats.cpp#L107 |
| 04:47:48 | <fireonlive> | holding out on us! lol |
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| 05:01:09 | <fireonlive> | https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/blob/main/game/code/ai/actor/attackbehaviour.cpp#L174 |
| 05:04:14 | <fireonlive> | https://youtu.be/R_b2B5tKBUM |
| 05:04:17 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 05:07:23 | <thuban> | good |
| 05:08:10 | <fireonlive> | as jason once said, steal from work |
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| 05:25:43 | <Barto> | JAA: so many question about that Heidi stuff. Is that ending with a bunch of nationalists on a rally and a herd of sheep (the public) watching the movie?!? |
| 05:25:57 | <Barto> | JAA: this could become a horror movie! |
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| 11:53:12 | <nulldata> | The Simpsons leak was a few years ago. Dunno why it's just resurfacing again. Links to download the full leak from 2021 still work and can be found with a Google search |
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| 13:52:32 | <@JAA> | Barto: Yeah... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 14:59:51 | <@JAA> | lol, a HN comment on VanMoof: |
| 14:59:59 | <@JAA> | > So when I bought my S3 bike in 2020 it was a reasonable choice, even though I was well aware of the quality issues. And though almost every part on my bike has been replaced at least once (at no cost to me) <...> |
| 15:00:16 | <@JAA> | Imagine having to replace almost all parts of your bike within three years, some more than once. |
| 15:00:50 | <@JAA> | Link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36706514 |
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| 16:42:47 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1679128724489289728 |
| 16:42:51 | <fireonlive> | oh no |
| 17:04:02 | <@JAA> | Not the noodles! |
| 17:09:23 | <nulldata> | I love how they characterize purposely infiltrating their systems and asking for a ransom as a "misunderstanding" to resolve. |
| 17:13:31 | <@JAA> | > purposely infiltrating |
| 17:13:39 | <@JAA> | An employee probably downloaded an attachment.pdf.exe. |
| 17:20:09 | <nulldata> | Well yeah - I guess I should say "purposely publishing malicious executables/taking advantage of vulnerabilities for the purpose of infiltrating their systems". |
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| 18:02:00 | <Barto> | JAA: replacing all parts? Is that the same bike then? :D |
| 18:02:13 | | Barto asks philosophical questions today |
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| 18:37:03 | <fireonlive> | ship of theseus! |
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| 18:56:23 | <Barto> | :D |
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| 19:59:12 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 20:41:54 | <nicolas17> | remember the stuck ship? |
| 20:41:56 | <nicolas17> | https://twitter.com/mountain_ghosts/status/1375145424156307458 |
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| 21:57:34 | <jasonswohl> | msg NickServer register Sup3rP@ssw0rd!! jasonswohl@gmail.com |
| 21:59:06 | <@JAA> | Good thing that if you type in your password, it shows as stars. :-) |
| 21:59:15 | <TheTechRobo> | JAA: hunter2 |
| 22:02:06 | <jasonswohl> | JAA yeah.......... im a pro @ IRC chat :) |
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