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00:00:52<nicolas17>rsync'ing to my VPS at 50KiB/s... I think my ISP is throttling the ssh port
00:04:36<fireonlive>that’s why i ssh on port 69
00:04:48<@JAA>443 :-)
00:05:10<fireonlive>:)
00:05:18<@JAA>And if they do DPI, there's software to conceal that, too. :-)
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04:18:55<fireonlive>FYI: youtube seems to be adding a new &pp= parameter to video URLs you copy from their site or within their app
04:19:20<fireonlive>seems to most likely be like twitter/facebook/tiktok/every motherfucking god damn website in that it tracks who originates the shared link?
04:19:29<fireonlive>so something new to strip off before you share. have fun
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04:36:26<fireonlive>09:30:43 PM <+rss> AlmaLinux No Longer Aims for 1:1 Compatibility with RHEL: https://www.phoronix.com/news/AlmaLinux-No-1-1-RHEL https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36718991
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04:49:37<BPCZ>I really wish I could use a better distro than RHEL but I'm still waiting on it to show up
04:52:56<fireonlive>fedora?
04:52:57<fireonlive>:p
04:53:27<BPCZ>amazon linux clearly
04:54:29<fireonlive>arch or gtfo
04:54:32<fireonlive>:3
04:54:35<fireonlive>oooh
04:54:36<fireonlive>gentoo.
04:54:59<BPCZ>I worked in an enterprise environment that used gentoo in some dark locations
04:55:19<BPCZ>when everyone in that department was fired one day I had to go in and unravel the ball of wax
04:55:48<fireonlive>:x
04:56:07<fireonlive>did they use distcc? :3
04:56:44<BPCZ>their idea of security was not building the USB stack into the kernel, and I only know that because I had to find a PS2 keyboard to get into some 10+ year old gear and reset the root passwords just to see what nightmare awaited us
04:57:06<fireonlive>🀦
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05:01:27<BPCZ>Same team where their most secure servers were in an unmarked telecom room with a literal 50 gallon bucket full of HDDs dating back to 1992 because removing them from that room would have been insecure
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05:09:16<nulldata>Hannah Montana Linux?
05:10:21<fireonlive>wow
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05:17:30<fireonlive>https://uwuntuos.site/
05:19:30<fireonlive>BPCZ et al.: https://yiffos.gay/
05:22:38<BPCZ>What I run at home is none of your concern
05:23:31<fireonlive>:3
05:23:56<fireonlive>Vore Microcomputers hosts the image for it
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16:28:13<fireonlive>that_lurker: 😏😏😏
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16:44:38<TheTechRobo>Wtf is going on with my firefox today
16:44:47<TheTechRobo>Ctrl-Shift-T is now opening last closed window rather than tab
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16:46:24<TheTechRobo>>The keyboard shortcut to reopen closed tabs (command + shift + t) now reopens last closed tab or last closed window, in the order items were closed.
16:46:34<TheTechRobo>...No, that is not what it is doing
16:47:22<TheTechRobo>no matter what it is opening last closed window
16:51:50<nulldata>From the InfluxDB Cloud slack: "The team working on this honestly felt that everybody had migrated their data that still wanted it. This obviously was an incorrect and flawed assessment."
16:52:37<nulldata>They suspiciously never say how they came to that very wrong conclusion lol
16:53:55<nicolas17>how do they not CHECK that
16:55:47<nulldata>And they've now revised that they are working to recover the last 90 days of Belgium from logs instead of the 100 days they previously said they could recover. And apparently they have some data that hadn't yet been deleted before they hit the abort button that they are sifting through for scraps.
16:56:04<nulldata>Those that were in Sydney are still shit out of luck
16:57:19<fireonlive>…… lol
16:57:29<fireonlive>what a caca show
17:08:37<spirit>any recommendations to compare mp3 files that might be slightly altered but might also just be the same file remuxed (i guess?)? i got some old netlabel collection and would like to reduce it to the best versions of releases
17:09:18<spirit>eg https://transfer.sh/nUXQYFvkhQ/betoni02.mp3 and https://transfer.sh/GMH9bz7Ov0/betoni02.mp3.1
17:10:31<spirit>exported to WAV they are different
17:10:54<spirit>in addition to tags
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17:30:48<fireonlive>i was going to say https://github.com/qarmin/czkawka as i’ve been meaning to try this out but it looks like it only looks for similar videos and images but for audio it relies on tags at the moment :/
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17:46:16<Jake>https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/I6IWfl95gRU/m/TvSSAvDECQAJ
17:49:47<fireonlive>yeee :D
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18:13:33<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1679864864695816192
18:13:44<fireonlive>metrics man metrics man making up metrics whenever he can
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19:07:00<@JAA>TheTechRobo: Mozilla breaking keyboard shortcuts again? Well, I'm *shocked*!
19:07:07<TheTechRobo>:-)
19:07:10<@JAA>Although the intended change probably makes sense.
19:07:25<TheTechRobo>It's more intuitive but I'd prefer if there was an option to go back
19:07:42<TheTechRobo>I'm in the habit of Ctrl-Shift-T for tabs and Ctrl-Shift-N for windows
19:07:50<TheTechRobo>And it's nice having them separate
19:08:13<@JAA>spirit: Depends on your definition of 'compare'. One way is to invert one of the tracks and then merge them together. This produces a 'diff' signal, in a sense.
19:08:29<@JAA>TIL Ctrl-Shift-N
19:09:02<TheTechRobo>I only know about Ctrl-Shift-N because it screwed up my chrome-warped brain whenever I wanted to test something without auth
19:10:04<@JAA>Meh, doesn't work in private windows. :-(
19:10:17<TheTechRobo>that's kind of the point of a private window :-)
19:10:28<TheTechRobo>that you can't reopen it
19:10:28<@JAA>Well, yes, but also no.
19:10:34<TheTechRobo>though I don't really use it for that
19:10:48<@JAA>All private windows are really the same thing. There's one 'private session', if you will.
19:10:50TheTechRobo wishes there was just a simple "clean slate window" mode
19:11:06<@JAA>You can Ctrl+Shift+T to reopen a closed tab within a private window.
19:11:12<TheTechRobo>right
19:11:33<fireonlive>safari's handling of that is.... annoying
19:11:38<@JAA>So there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to reopen a closed private window with Ctrl+Shift+N as long as the private 'session' is still open.
19:11:45<fireonlive>each tab in a safari private window is it's own container :\
19:11:49<@JAA>I.e. have two private windows, close one, reopen it.
19:11:55<fireonlive>open link in new tab: you're not signed in anymore
19:12:12<@JAA>I'd love to have containers in private windows. That'd be awesome.
19:12:40<@JAA>But like, the manual ones that were first introduced by Firefox years ago.
19:12:51<@JAA>Firefox Multi-Account Containers
19:12:51<TheTechRobo>I need to figure those out
19:13:45<@JAA>I haven't tried it in private windows in a good while, but as I remember it, it breaks in very funny ways.
19:15:55<nulldata>Just be thankful Mozilla hasn't introduced chat AI in Firefox
19:15:57<nulldata>...yet
19:19:20<fireonlive>it would be neat but I'd like to be able to group them somehow
19:19:27<fireonlive>or! one per window
19:20:35<@JAA>nulldata: Won't be far away given this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-mozilla-ai-investing-in-trustworthy-ai/
19:20:38<nulldata>"Introducing Mozilla-GPT for Firefox Private Sessions - helping you with your most intimate of searches"
19:20:49<@JAA>Well, and the entire MDN thing obviously.
19:22:47<fireonlive>you know what
19:22:50<fireonlive>rm -rf Mozilla
19:22:52<fireonlive>problem solved
19:22:55<fireonlive>lol
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19:30:21<nulldata>fireonlive - problem is, where do you go? A fork of Chromium? That just indirectly gives Google more control. We need Mozilla, and they need funding to be around - but they aren't exactly doing themselves favors by doing things they know will piss off the community at every turn. Laying off devs and at the same time giving the CEO large salary
19:30:21<nulldata>bumps for seemingly no progress doesn't help either.
19:31:09<fireonlive>yeah.... the stewardship of the org really seems to keep falling downhill
19:31:19<fireonlive>i wish there were better people at the helm
19:31:29<@JAA>Yeah, that's pretty much why I'm staying with Firefox.
19:31:30<nulldata>With all the tech money drying up I wouldn't be surprised if Google turns off/down the money spigot to Mozilla in the nearer future - that's going to be painful
19:32:48<fireonlive>yeeeahhh.. i did hear bing was vying to maybe squeak in there?
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19:33:01<fireonlive>but if google just said 'see you' it wouldn't fetch as high of an amount
19:33:17<@JAA>As I understand it, one of the big reasons why Google is funding Firefox is so they don't get caught in antitrust laws.
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19:36:46<fireonlive>ohhh
19:37:00<fireonlive>kinda like how microsoft kept apple alive?
19:39:25<nulldata>Yeah historically that's been the reason - though it seems increasingly regulators are not really not caring about the desktop space (see all the shit Microsoft has done with 11 and Edge in the past few years that would have landed swift action from regulators back in the day).
19:40:53<@JAA>I mean, the most recent big one I remember was a fine against Google by the EU of several billion.
19:41:04<nulldata>Not to mention Chrome has a 'new' 'competitor' with Edge - they'd probably point to that as there's enough competition.
19:41:25<spirit>JAA: i meant in a "is one of them recompressed or just remuxed or what" way. they are almost exactly the same size so i have no idea.
19:41:26<@JAA>That falls apart immediately because Edge is Chromium.
19:41:53<@JAA>Well, it wears a trenchcoat, but still.
19:42:34<fireonlive>it's blink all the way down
19:42:35<fireonlive>:c
19:42:58<@JAA>spirit: Yeah, no generic way for that. Recompression can be detected via spectrograms, but experience is required to analyse that correctly.
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19:43:47<spirit>dang
19:44:16<spirit>i'll just delete the file with the less nice filename or later timestamp then =)
19:45:06<fireonlive>spirit: https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/hotEz0ix8D77gKgDDwKG6v-FyJ0YVewGmo6lrMjcYWI.png
19:45:23<@JAA>That word does not exist.
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19:47:28<nicolas17>Safari is more of a competitor than Edge, since Edge literally uses Chromium
19:47:45<myself>Opera, anyone?
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19:48:15<nicolas17>myself: nope
19:48:29<nicolas17>"It was commercial software for its first ten years and had its own proprietary layout engine, Presto. In 2013, it switched from the Presto engine to Chromium. "
19:48:50<@JAA>'Wait, it's all Chromium?'
19:49:33<Barto>i remember opera 9, was great though
19:49:46<@JAA>Yeah, there's basically Gecko (Firefox), Blink (Chromium), and WebKit (Safari). Everything else is derived from them, apart from a few odd ones.
19:49:47<Barto>it had a builtin irc client!
19:50:07<nicolas17>RIP edgehtml
19:50:34<@JAA>The 'odd ones' includes stuff like lynx and eww.
19:50:39<Barto>w3m :D
19:50:52<@JAA>Yup
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19:52:09<nicolas17>NetSurf
19:52:22<@JAA>Oh right, Trident (IE) also still exists, kind of. QQ Browser uses it, I think.
19:53:29<fireonlive>JAA: πŸŒπŸ‘¨β€πŸš€πŸ”«πŸ‘¨β€πŸš€πŸŒŒ
19:53:49<fireonlive>not to mention blink is a fork of webkit
19:53:50<spirit>opera was amazing
19:54:02<spirit>instant navigation between pages
19:54:12<spirit>not 10 seconds wait after pressing the back button
19:54:42<fireonlive>there's also edge compatibility mode that uses trident but it's harder and harder to activate
19:54:53<fireonlive>(i think it does at least)
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19:54:59<fireonlive>more for internal enterprise bullshit
19:55:00<za3k>OK, I was trying to identify a file the other day. I now have permission to share more context! (thuban). The book is "Nanosystems" by Eric Drexler, and we're trying to put it online. A copy of the author's original file is at https://germinate.za3k.com/pub/tmp/TechBook.sent.Feb92__GPa-fix.Feb92__GPa-fix.Feb92__GPa-fi
19:55:03<@JAA>I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
19:55:12<za3k>we have no idea what the file format is
19:55:18<@JAA>Lots of shitty ancient web interfaces in the commercial world still.
19:55:22<za3k>'file' cannot identify it
19:55:26<fireonlive>yeah :(
19:55:45<@JAA>za3k: I thought it was identified here by someone the other day?
19:55:52<fireonlive>there was a lot of speculation around it za3k but not sure if you were here for it
19:56:21<@JAA>pabs even sent them the backlog. :-P
19:56:41<@JAA>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/80e997d8/
19:56:59<fireonlive>ah :P
19:57:21<za3k>The author doesn't remember the format. There is no additional useful information. We've identified what looks like MathType in it, and uncompressed strings. The publication date was 1992.
19:58:07<fireonlive>i'm having some dejavu
20:00:59<nicolas17>JAA: there's also some custom engines like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(software)
20:01:35<@JAA>TIL
20:02:29<@JAA>> Prince supports most of ECMAScript 5th edition, but not strict mode. Later editions of ECMAScript are largely not supported.
20:02:35<@JAA>Yeah, that'll be fun on the modern web.
20:03:16<fireonlive>i keep waiting for them to update example.com to react
20:03:24<nicolas17>well it doesn't care about interactive JS since it renders into PDF
20:03:50<@JAA>Yeah, but if your shitty SPA uses ECMAScript 6...
20:04:45<@JAA>Or whatever its numbering is these days. They switched at least twice I think, and I'm not keeping track anymore.
20:05:06<nicolas17>searching for this stuff I ended up at the wikipedia page about Windows .chm files
20:05:11<nicolas17>and now I'm angry at Microsoft again
20:05:20<@JAA>lol
20:05:21<@JAA>:-)
20:05:37<nicolas17>they abandoned CHM and said they weren't intending to add any new features to it anymore
20:06:25<nicolas17>then they made like 3 different offline-help engines, but ended up using them internally for Office and Visual Studio and never released them for other apps to use
20:11:41<nicolas17>macOS offline help seems similarly abandoned tbh
20:14:22<@JAA>'But why would you need offline help? Aren't you always connected to the internet anyway?'
20:15:12<nicolas17>let's make our own help viewer
20:15:21<nicolas17>with blackjack, hookers, and WARC as the file format
20:16:01<flashfire42>Fuck yeah
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20:39:16<TheTechRobo>nicolas17: macOS offline help never worked reliably for me
20:39:25<TheTechRobo>also don't mention CHM to me :P
20:40:09<TheTechRobo>the DirectX 7 SDK uses it for the documentation, but no Linux software seems to be able to open it. the help viewer included in Wine can only show the copyright page, nothing else (and I know that's wrong because 7z shows a LOT more)
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20:59:51<fireonlive>An update to IA's flash playback capabilities: https://mastodon.archive.org/@textfiles/110697893762381822
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21:00:56<nicolas17>omg
21:02:23<fireonlive>(uses ruffle (now?))
21:02:42<fireonlive>i've used ruffle recently to restore a couple old flash sites from WBM :3
21:02:49<fireonlive>it's quite neat!
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21:04:30<fireonlive>someone mentioned this site wasn't in the collection.. interesting site: https://z0r.de/2593 lol
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22:36:30<fireonlive>https://z0r.de/7864
22:36:39<fireonlive>stare into the square, everything will be ok
22:37:34<imer>i'm always positively surprised z0r still exists
22:39:06<fireonlive>besides the website that starts with d that we shall not mention here is there anything else like it
22:46:45<nulldata>I've been using Ruffle and JPEXS to fix and restore backups I took of the original official websites of various Rockstar games. Works pretty well for the most part - though some of the more complicated sites have problems.
22:50:23<nulldata>I have been hosting it myself as a Rockstar "museum" site - but I wonder how well it would play with IA now that it supports things like multi-SWF. A number of the SWFs have hard-coded URLs though so I've had to use the de-compiler to edit them and make them relative links where possible.
22:51:06<fireonlive>ugh hard coded urls >_<
23:02:53<@JAA>lol, there is now an app for saving VanMoof bluetooth keys. It was published by their direct competitor Cowboy.
23:03:09<@JAA>So apparently there's enough of a market for this shit that there are multiple companies selling them.
23:03:56<jasons>fireonlive NO! everything will not be ok....... that hurt me eyes sir
23:04:53<@JAA>Same exact thing, custom bike with included lights and GNSS tracking and so on. Same regular service thing. Same theft insurance (but at least they actually call it that).
23:08:37<fireonlive>aw
23:08:51<fireonlive>lol @ competitor app
23:09:12<nicolas17>fireonlive: https://demosystems-assets.cdn-apple.com/DLM-CE83B875-6029-4795-83C6-782F15776047-production/campaigns/5-music/en_CA-0-0-280.mp4
23:09:23<nicolas17>demo unit screensaver
23:09:32<fireonlive>ooooh thanks
23:11:12<fireonlive>pretty ads
23:11:23<nicolas17>https://archive.org/download/csdnsdplist/demosystems-assets.cdn-apple.com/DLM-CE83B875-6029-4795-83C6-782F15776047-production/campaigns/ someone uploaded a ton here
23:11:29<fireonlive>guess you don’t hate me that much :3
23:11:37<fireonlive>aweet will check them out
23:27:40<jasonswohl>goodbye cruel world I am now retiring (and now thankfully now using "thelounge") kind of with a new username. Confident everyone here can figure it out
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