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| 00:36:59 | <nicolas17> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286612533757083648/1128484640634712104/gadsden_threads.png |
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| 00:39:52 | <fireonlive> | o ok |
| 00:40:06 | <fireonlive> | *untags nicolas17* |
| 00:40:22 | <fireonlive> | !ups |
| 00:40:25 | <fireonlive> | oops |
| 00:42:36 | <fireonlive> | JAA: i want to see like mozilla executives vs MDN maintainers in a MMA ring |
| 00:42:59 | <fireonlive> | take the keyboard IRL, if MDN wins they get the feature pulled |
| 00:43:02 | <fireonlive> | lol |
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| 00:50:26 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 00:50:41 | <@JAA> | I'm looking forward to what comes out of that 'community call' tomorrow. |
| 00:51:06 | <@JAA> | I need to schedule time to go to the grocery store and buy some more popcorn. |
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| 00:56:37 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
| 00:56:47 | <fireonlive> | fun times that'll be |
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| 01:34:18 | <fireonlive> | quick, TheTechRobo is gone, everyone talk about him |
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| 01:40:05 | <Doranwen> | Lol |
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| 02:11:25 | <nulldata> | Shhh don't tell him but I don't think he's actually a robot |
| 02:19:55 | <fireonlive> | :o |
| 02:20:04 | <fireonlive> | i had a slight suspicion |
| 02:22:07 | <BPCZ> | lol how can anyone take a system seriously that quotes being able to do 45GiB/s via a fuse mount |
| 02:22:20 | <BPCZ> | Insanely stupid |
| 02:29:27 | <fireonlive> | i only use fuse-based filesystems <( ̄︶ ̄)> |
| 02:29:39 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
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| 02:59:03 | <nulldata> | Slightly interesting tidbit regarding the SUSE RHEL fork - Someone on HN spotted that SUSE's new CEO was a Senior VP at Red Hat for 18 years. Should be interesting to watch. |
| 03:03:18 | <BPCZ> | SUSE and I have a complicated relationship mostly due to their general inability to push good tools to be the standard around linux. I’m still very confused as to why dtrace isn’t default enabled in RHEL or Ubuntu but SLES ships it and allows for other eBPF tooling |
| 03:04:14 | <BPCZ> | But linux as a whole has really dropped the ball on uniform eBPF interfaces to the point where in some cases systemtap is still the preferable way to access some data as the eBPF tools aren’t getting backportred |
| 03:04:14 | <nicolas17> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779844089196576809/1128521951195955320/image.png |
| 03:04:19 | <nicolas17> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779844089196576809/1128522066207977522/image.png |
| 03:30:21 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/t9FKB/1689132558.png |
| 03:30:29 | <fireonlive> | wonder what the final 'movie' is going to look like |
| 03:31:53 | <nulldata> | Surely it'll bee awesome |
| 03:32:12 | <fireonlive> | it'll bee beeutiful |
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| 04:38:55 | <fireonlive> | open one little webserver to the internet and not too long later: "GET /.env HTTP/1.1" 404" |
| 04:38:56 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 04:39:02 | <fireonlive> | naughty naughty |
| 04:39:10 | <nicolas17> | some want to hack you |
| 04:39:20 | <nicolas17> | some want to email you saying "I found security vulnerability on your website plz send bounty" |
| 04:39:25 | <fireonlive> | "GET /vicidial/welcome.php HTTP/1.1" 404 |
| 04:39:27 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 04:39:36 | <fireonlive> | ugh the bounty people lmao |
| 04:39:47 | <nicolas17> | I left the bounty people a hint https://status.kde.org/.env |
| 04:40:11 | <fireonlive> | ooh i like that |
| 04:40:58 | <nicolas17> | too many dumb reports of "your package.json is publicly accessible and people will see what libraries you're using" so fucking what, the website is open source, you can get the packages.json from the git repo too |
| 04:41:20 | <fireonlive> | lmao |
| 04:42:33 | <nicolas17> | "this script in the repo has a hardcoded database password!" ok cool, what can you do with that password? |
| 04:43:47 | <nicolas17> | (1. that's the test suite, it creates a local database with that password and uses it to run the tests and deletes it, 2. the repo is mediawiki, the upstream mediawiki repo has the same script) |
| 04:46:49 | <nulldata> | nicolas17 - I'd like to report a most critical vulnerability. I can access your server on port 80 and 443. Pls send bounty money to my CashApp. |
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| 05:20:46 | <fireonlive> | https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14x5a3l/hp_printer_features_locked_to_accounts_typical/ |
| 05:20:48 | <fireonlive> | how nice |
| 05:21:10 | <Barto> | never buying hp printer again |
| 05:22:10 | <fireonlive> | their colour laserjets seem ok but yeah everything is wrong with them lol |
| 05:22:49 | <Barto> | i have a much better experience with brother printers honestly |
| 05:22:54 | <fireonlive> | brother printers have started including chips recently too, even on plain greyscale |
| 05:22:58 | <Barto> | :( |
| 05:23:03 | <fireonlive> | oh what a coincidence lol |
| 05:23:16 | <fireonlive> | yeah, the 'toner reset sequence' buttons don't work anymore either |
| 05:23:23 | <fireonlive> | for the chipped printers |
| 05:23:49 | <fireonlive> | you *can* tell it to continue printing via the web ui (or maybe software if USB?) BUT it sometimes randomly forgets that setting |
| 05:24:00 | <fireonlive> | how convenient!! |
| 05:24:23 | <fireonlive> | it can remember wifi, hostname, admin password, everything else... but not the 'continue after toner empty' setting 🤔 |
| 05:24:32 | <fireonlive> | weird, eh? |
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| 14:12:02 | <@rewby|backup> | fireonlive: So it's now thawed corn? |
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| 15:21:42 | <fireonlive> | it was very much defrosted 😅 |
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| 16:52:55 | <Panasonic> | "Scott, the archivist" - NYT |
| 16:53:35 | <Panasonic> | it made me smile :D |
| 17:00:21 | <fireonlive> | 09:46:39 AM <+rss> XAI: https://x.ai/ → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36696473 |
| 17:01:00 | <fireonlive> | so it begins… elon’s xAI the “non-woke” AI. kinda. just a landing page at the moment |
| 17:01:40 | <fireonlive> | the company exists at least lol. we’ll see where the (?) show goes from there |
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| 18:49:59 | <@JAA> | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/blog/ai-explain-postmortem/ |
| 18:50:32 | <@JAA> | And that's not even the community call result, it was published a couple hours earlier. |
| 18:51:25 | | fireonlive makes a neat space on my desk for my head to go, then clicks link |
| 18:51:47 | <fireonlive> | oh it's gone for now |
| 18:53:01 | <nicolas17> | wdym gone |
| 18:53:07 | <nicolas17> | oh I thought you meant the post was gone |
| 18:53:18 | <fireonlive> | ye the feature is gone/"paused" |
| 18:56:28 | <nicolas17> | "We also saw that other developer-focused companies were investing significantly in and building products on top of the technology" |
| 18:56:34 | <nicolas17> | LITERALLY JUMPING ON THE HYPE |
| 18:57:05 | <Barto> | Lol, FOMO |
| 18:59:51 | <nicolas17> | "3.34% of the responses were voted on via a thumbs up/down UI beside answers. Of these responses, 68.9% votes marked the answers as helpful" 3% is a small sample, and the newbie users they are explicitly targeting don't know enough to notice the answer is subtly wrong |
| 19:00:13 | <fireonlive> | yeah.... |
| 19:00:15 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 19:00:29 | <fireonlive> | 'wow it did magic code' |
| 19:00:43 | <nulldata> | Wow they didn't even address that they didn't tell any of the contributors any of this was coming in advance |
| 19:00:45 | <fireonlive> | then i mean *if* they tried it can/would they do back and thumbs it down if it didn't work? |
| 19:01:00 | <fireonlive> | nulldata: yup! not even the maintainers |
| 19:01:06 | <fireonlive> | just some higher ups i guess? |
| 19:03:52 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: AI Explain is gone, AI Help remains. |
| 19:03:58 | <@JAA> | They're totally different!!1! |
| 19:04:08 | <@JAA> | (They are, but they're both horseshit.) |
| 19:04:13 | <fireonlive> | ah! |
| 19:04:19 | <fireonlive> | damn it lol |
| 19:04:49 | <@JAA> | I'm hearing that the community call was a shitshow and Mozilla doubled down. |
| 19:07:10 | <thuban> | remember when wikipedia ran a survey on the new layout and declared that the users supported it... after throwing out the majority of the responses for foul language? |
| 19:07:19 | <nicolas17> | lmao |
| 19:09:09 | <nicolas17> | "Prompting GPT-3.5 to explain code samples without context is not sufficient given its 2021 limitation" yes how did you not think before that using a LLM trained before 2021 to explain code using features from 2023 would not work |
| 19:09:46 | <nicolas17> | "the majority of our testing and development were done using a model that differed from the one deployed in production" what the fuck is the point of testing if you change the model before launch aaaaaaaa |
| 19:10:32 | <nicolas17> | if it comes back, we should aim archivebot at it until they see the OpenAI bills and turn it back off |
| 19:11:09 | <BPCZ> | What did I miss? |
| 19:11:24 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/blog/ai-explain-postmortem/ |
| 19:11:47 | <@JAA> | nicolas17: You can scratch the 2021 limitation and the sentence will still be right. :-P |
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| 19:23:41 | <fireonlive> | JAA: mozilla pulled a reddit eh |
| 19:23:41 | <nulldata> | Given the double down, I wonder if Mozilla has money on the line from Suprabase if they don't kep the AI features |
| 19:23:43 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 19:23:47 | <nulldata> | keep* |
| 19:24:02 | <fireonlive> | oh, unspoken sponsor pressure? that would be interesting... |
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| 19:24:36 | <nulldata> | Gotta fund that ever-growing CEO salary somehow |
| 19:24:51 | <fireonlive> | 12:12:56 PM <+rss> [recent, highly upvoted comments] high_5 in "Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API": Call me cynical but building a client for a user hostile service is a sign of a Stockholm syndrome. → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36691320 |
| 19:25:03 | <fireonlive> | 😂 maybe i do have stockholm syndrome for reddit |
| 19:25:07 | <fireonlive> | anyone else? lol |
| 19:28:00 | <@JAA> | I've been wondering whether there's a financial incentive for Mozilla for this LLM mess, yeah. |
| 19:28:50 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: Is it Stockholm Syndrome if you hate the platform but like the community? Like, you tolerate the kidnapper because you like the other hostages. |
| 19:29:11 | <fireonlive> | hmmm good question |
| 19:29:27 | <@JAA> | That's what Reddit is for me, anyway. |
| 19:29:32 | <fireonlive> | trauma bonding? |
| 19:29:45 | <@JAA> | Hmm |
| 19:29:57 | <@JAA> | That would imply the community formed because of the trauma. |
| 19:30:27 | <nulldata> | Heh I used Reddit for over 12 years. When Spez triple downed on the changes and his insults against the Apollo dev I backed up and purged the contents of my posts and stopped using it. It sucks that Lemmy and kbin have an awful discovery experience, but I've been getting by okay on old school methods like RSS and Salshdot - just takes a bit longer |
| 19:30:27 | <nulldata> | lol |
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| 19:32:07 | <fireonlive> | ah right |
| 19:32:36 | <fireonlive> | kbin is interesting to me, in that it combines both mastodon and lemmy |
| 19:33:06 | <fireonlive> | some people are very mad™ at kbin/lemmy as - like mastodon in a way - all your upvotes and downvotes are public |
| 19:33:44 | <fireonlive> | every time you up, down or remove one of them is all in a log because it's just a 'status update' |
| 19:33:45 | <nicolas17> | I don't think private votes and defederation are possible together |
| 19:34:21 | <fireonlive> | i guess there's some concern in looking at someone's entire up/down history |
| 19:34:25 | <nicolas17> | or if they are, it would require cryptography approaching blockchain-y stuff and let's not go there |
| 19:34:26 | <fireonlive> | but not sure how to solve that |
| 19:34:51 | <fireonlive> | or if it needs to be |
| 19:36:00 | <thuban> | from a community management point of view i'm inclined to say defederalizability was a mistake, but i'm not familiar enough with the architecture to know whether there are compelling technical reasons for it |
| 19:36:00 | <fireonlive> | i don't really think the hobby project clones of reddit popping up are a solution either |
| 19:36:58 | <fireonlive> | defedding is interesting in general from both a lemmy-type and a mastodon-type perspective |
| 19:37:11 | <nicolas17> | er |
| 19:37:15 | <nicolas17> | I meant federation |
| 19:37:22 | <fireonlive> | i guess 'to keep the bad out' but.. it's very segmenty |
| 19:37:40 | <fireonlive> | i wonder if we will see a day when it's allowlist only |
| 19:38:02 | <fireonlive> | apply here to federate with us |
| 19:38:28 | <thuban> | nicolas17: oh lol, i was kind of puzzled |
| 19:39:17 | <fireonlive> | i'll propose the last thing we need is more blockchain |
| 19:39:18 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 19:40:28 | <@JAA> | Yeah, blockchain just doesn't cut it anymore, it has to be AI now. |
| 19:40:34 | <fireonlive> | for.... everything nostr is the moderation aspect is interesting |
| 19:40:53 | <fireonlive> | from what i understand about nostr is there's no like actual deletion, you just subscribe to 'moderation servers'? |
| 19:41:08 | <fireonlive> | (which is a horror show for.... 'very bad content' let's say) |
| 19:41:10 | <nulldata> | Introducing MDN++ with Blockchain AI Technology |
| 19:41:14 | <nicolas17> | /o\ |
| 19:41:31 | <fireonlive> | anyway these moderation servers you 'trust' decide what you see on nostr i guess |
| 19:41:40 | <fireonlive> | which just sounds like extra work for moderators |
| 19:41:48 | <fireonlive> | unless it's all AI |
| 19:41:49 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 19:42:29 | <fireonlive> | *makes a very hesitant search for mozilla NFT* |
| 19:43:42 | <fireonlive> | ok so far just something about them accepting crypto and then not doing that anymore: https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22870787/mozilla-pauses-crypto-donations-backlash-jwz |
| 19:43:58 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/jwz/status/1478022085737803776 < this tweet though |
| 19:44:36 | <fireonlive> | looks like so far, no NFT stuff. phew. |
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| 20:45:42 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1678998015149764609 |
| 20:45:44 | <fireonlive> | ??????? |
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| 21:17:17 | <@JAA> | So the two features of VanMoof that I can find are a tracker and a 'smart' lock. Tracking bikes is nothing new, both for recording tracks and for recovery after theft. The lock seems stupid: https://support.vanmoof.com/en/support/solutions/articles/2044000000059-locking-and-unlocking-your-s5-a5 |
| 21:17:40 | <nicolas17> | >recovery after theft |
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| 21:17:55 | <nicolas17> | if they used Apple offline finding it wouldn't matter if they shut down! |
| 21:18:05 | <@JAA> | * additional charges may apply |
| 21:18:12 | <@JAA> | > If the unthinkable happens, our Bike Hunters will hunt your bike down. $398 one-off payment for three-year coverage. |
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| 21:18:20 | <nicolas17> | bruh |
| 21:18:40 | <nicolas17> | bike hunters? is this other people *with the app* finding it for you via bluetooth? |
| 21:18:52 | <nicolas17> | that seems like it would have lower chances of success than Tile |
| 21:18:54 | <@JAA> | They do use 'Apple Find My', which I think is what you mean? |
| 21:19:06 | <nicolas17> | oh they do? |
| 21:19:14 | <nicolas17> | why tf does it need separate payment |
| 21:19:24 | <@JAA> | Because it's smort! |
| 21:19:27 | <nicolas17> | it goes through Apple servers, not theirs |
| 21:19:34 | <fireonlive> | o_O |
| 21:19:42 | <fireonlive> | jeez just stap your customers onto the milking table at that point |
| 21:19:55 | <thuban> | no actual bounty hunters? i am disappoint |
| 21:20:07 | <flashfire42> | NO DISINTERGRATIONS |
| 21:20:22 | <@JAA> | > Bike Hunters recover your bike, Get a replacement bike if we can't find it |
| 21:20:32 | <nicolas17> | *oh* okay that's insurance |
| 21:20:56 | <nicolas17> | maybe the Find My part will keep working... |
| 21:20:58 | <@JAA> | Yeah, they stuck an AirTag into the frame and are selling insurance. |
| 21:21:03 | <@JAA> | Or something like that. |
| 21:21:11 | <@JAA> | > We're putting bike thieves out of business with our integrated location tracking tech and iron-clad anti-theft guarantee. If your bike goes missing, just report it as stolen in the VanMoof app. The Bike Hunters will immediately get to work and recover your bike. If they can't, we'll replace your bike with one of the same (or better) age and condition. |
| 21:21:36 | <flashfire42> | NEW ON A AND E. BIKE HUNTERS. SOMEONE STOLE YOUR BIKE YOU PAID LOTS OF MONEY FOR LIKE A TWAT. THE BIKE HUNTERS WILL TRACK IT DOWN AND ROUGH UP THE THIEF FOR FREE. |
| 21:22:04 | <@JAA> | > I forgot to lock my bike and it got stolen, can you recover it? Sadly, no. We can only recover or replace a stolen bike if the Theft Defense system was armed and the Kick Lock was properly engaged when your bike was stolen. |
| 21:22:27 | <@JAA> | Theft Defense System™ with Kick Lock®™ |
| 21:22:32 | <nicolas17> | l o l |
| 21:23:00 | <@JAA> | Oh, and you need to file a police report before they do anything, just like with any bike insurance. |
| 21:24:04 | <@JAA> | They also have a maintenance package: |
| 21:24:05 | <@JAA> | > Over a three-year period, the Bike Doctors will keep your bike in optimal condition, with check-ups and responsive maintenance in multiple cities across the world. Don't worry – all costs for parts and labor are included in your coverage |
| 21:24:07 | <fireonlive> | ®™®™ |
| 21:24:18 | <@JAA> | So, paying for bike checks, which has existed for decades. |
| 21:24:29 | <TheTechRobo> | Bike Doctors this time |
| 21:24:42 | <nicolas17> | there's people with bikes worth as much as cars |
| 21:24:45 | <fireonlive> | >putting bike thieves out of business |
| 21:24:54 | <nicolas17> | they're a profitable demographic to milk with these things |
| 21:24:58 | <flashfire42> | TheTechRobo BIKE DOCTORS, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT YOU BIKE HUNTERS |
| 21:25:07 | <@JAA> | They track your riding distance and then schedule the checks after regular intervals. Ok, that makes some sense I guess. |
| 21:25:41 | <Barto> | i dont regret throwing this into ab :D |
| 21:26:13 | <@JAA> | And they look ugly too, in my opinion: https://www.vanmoof.com/sites/default/files/2023-04/SX%23%20-%20PDP%20-%20Functional%20Assets%20-%20Top%20Carousel%20-%20Purple%20Fog%20X4%20-%20Shot%201.jpg |
| 21:26:15 | <fireonlive> | no ragrets |
| 21:26:41 | <@JAA> | For only $2648, that thing could be yours! (Well, not anymore.) |
| 21:26:41 | <nicolas17> | wait is this a *bike*? |
| 21:26:45 | <nicolas17> | I thought it was an accessory |
| 21:27:21 | <@JAA> | > Practically unstealable |
| 21:27:22 | <@JAA> | lol |
| 21:27:27 | <nicolas17> | for anti-theft etc etc on your existing expensive bike |
| 21:27:39 | <@JAA> | No no |
| 21:27:40 | <nicolas17> | that does look ugly |
| 21:27:42 | <@JAA> | They sell bikes. |
| 21:27:49 | <@JAA> | SMART bikes! |
| 21:27:49 | <TheTechRobo> | nicolas17: probably add-ons to your bike |
| 21:27:51 | <TheTechRobo> | kinda like applecare |
| 21:28:25 | <nicolas17> | but yeah regarding prices |
| 21:28:29 | <nicolas17> | a friend did bike racing, and one time she had a minor accident while training and bent a wheel |
| 21:28:38 | <nicolas17> | she said she was glad she had the wheels insured |
| 21:28:39 | <nicolas17> | THE WHEELS |
| 21:28:41 | <nicolas17> | SEPARATELY INSURED |
| 21:28:58 | <@JAA> | Yep, professional gear is extremely expensive. |
| 21:29:11 | <@JAA> | You can easily spend $30k on a bike there. |
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| 21:59:01 | <@JAA> | 'Welp, Someone Finally Stuck ChatGPT Into an E-Bike' https://gizmodo.com/urtopia-e-bike-chatgpt-ai-hype-1850582746 |
| 22:01:58 | <@JAA> | The company's own press release calls it the 'World's First Smartest Ebike with ChatGPT Integration'. :-) |
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| 22:10:31 | <fireonlive> | :| |
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| 23:17:50 | <fireonlive> | 04:15:17 PM <+rss> Uber Eats Canada Ran Production in a MacBook Air: https://twitter.com/Altimor/status/1679235946334781440 → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36702603 |
| 23:17:56 | <fireonlive> | the production mac strikes again lmao |
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| 23:54:02 | <nulldata> | Man Twitter must really be desperate for advertisers - had an ad for a well endowed wifu |
| 23:57:35 | <flashfire42|m> | Targeted advertisements again |
| 23:58:55 | <fireonlive> | 🤭 |