| 00:00:26 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ is ZFS not already open source?! |
| 00:01:20 | <fireonlive> | it’s not as permissive as some would like it to be i believe |
| 00:02:00 | <jasonswohl> | ah, sounds like if you use it in a business, or are thinking about remotely profiting, PAY US OUR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 00:03:32 | <BPCZ> | fireonlive: split brain too. Oracle zfs is different from openzfs. |
| 00:04:11 | <BPCZ> | jasonswohl: most companies are fire with using zfs under cddl linux just won’t let it into the kernel |
| 00:05:21 | <fireonlive> | ahh |
| 00:05:35 | <nulldata> | jasonswohl The standard Oracle license - if you even think of the name in your sleep, you now owe them licensing fees for your dreams. |
| 00:06:10 | <nulldata> | Unsure if you owe them? Their answer is yes. |
| 00:07:36 | <nicolas17> | there's this famous post https://web.archive.org/web/20150811052336/https://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/entry/no_you_really_can_t |
| 00:08:30 | <nulldata> | Larry needs a couple of new mega-yachts - his current ones are a few years old at this point. Basically unusable. |
| 00:09:47 | <fireonlive> | few years old? how embarrassing |
| 00:10:28 | <nicolas17> | there was so much backlash about that blog post that it was removed within 24 hours |
| 00:10:44 | <jasonswohl> | o gowd ^ |
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| 00:41:21 | <nulldata> | nicolas17 - how dare you reverse-obtain their deleted blog post! A team of Oracle lawyers have been dispatched to your location. |
| 00:52:01 | <jasonswohl> | nicolas17 rut row............ * looks for a new apt before they show up :) |
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| 03:56:24 | <nulldata> | Update on InfluxBD Cloud - it wasn't just Belgium, Sydney was shutdown and deleted too. Sounds like they have some backup log files from Belgium for the past 100 days and they are attempting to extract bits of data from it for customers. Sydney customers are shit out of luck. |
| 03:57:15 | <fireonlive> | two regions? wow |
| 03:57:49 | <fireonlive> | total geniuses running that company |
| 03:58:55 | <nicolas17> | often when I'm about to delete a file, I instead run: "at 'next week' <<< 'rm file.iso'" |
| 03:59:37 | <nicolas17> | (especially when it's a large download that is excluded from backups) |
| 04:01:58 | <BPCZ> | Why do people even use influx cloud offerings? Setting up your own metrics system isn’t even all that hard. We have a 50PiB cluster backing our Cassandra |
| 04:06:30 | <fireonlive> | ye, kiska's influxdb/etc is all self-hosted https://grafana3.kiska.pw/d/000000/archiveteam-tracker-stats?orgId=1&refresh=1m |
| 04:06:59 | <fireonlive> | it's not like huge but not like had to go and cry for their cloud offering lol |
| 04:12:22 | <BPCZ> | lol I piss off my metrics team by asking if we can do 0.1 second granularity for some metrics I care about because microbursts suck |
| 04:14:45 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: https://blog.nicolas17.xyz/posts/load-average-spikes.html |
| 04:16:17 | <nicolas17> | tl;dr telegraf uses a dozen threads to check a dozen metrics at the same time, it's super brief CPU activity, but when the kernel checks how many threads are runnable to calculate the load average, at the *exact* millisecond those threads are running, we get a big spike |
| 04:21:06 | <BPCZ> | Stealing that to see what we do at work tomorrow. Funny enough we don’t really monitor load averages. Our metrics tend to be very specific to what’s deployed. The one that I want more data on is network traffic, and I need to extend our eBPF tooling to allow for source - destination tcp socket monitoring for dropped packets to specific servers |
| 04:22:42 | <BPCZ> | Absolutely cursed that I can’t trust a modern network stack to deliver packets. But this is also the same network stack the engineers had me tune their packet retry wait from 2ns to 2000000ns and that actually fixed the problem |
| 04:23:49 | <Jake> | what |
| 04:24:16 | <BPCZ> | It’s very novel hardware with amazing failure cases |
| 04:25:06 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: these tend to be boring webservers |
| 04:25:35 | <BPCZ> | Like sometimes if you unplug the wrong cable among hundreds of thousands the entire network panics for multiple hours as it reroutes and resends all packets in flight at that moment |
| 04:25:52 | <nicolas17> | no fancy HPC workloads, more like https://discuss.kde.org/ |
| 04:26:21 | <BPCZ> | nicolas17: I’m still gonna look at it. We like load smoothing to make everyone’s lives better |
| 04:26:38 | <nicolas17> | yeah I meant re: "we don’t really monitor load averages" |
| 04:27:03 | <nicolas17> | it's not a very reliable or deterministic metric |
| 04:27:08 | <BPCZ> | Oh I’d still argue load average is kind of not the best metric to be collecting |
| 04:27:13 | <BPCZ> | lol cool yeah |
| 04:27:20 | <nicolas17> | but when it goes to 100 you *know* something is wrong |
| 04:27:26 | <BPCZ> | T.T |
| 04:27:34 | <nicolas17> | (when the average is <4 on that machine) |
| 04:28:21 | <BPCZ> | Me when my users attempt to access the same 4k file from every node at once and think it’s ok because each node is accessing a hard link (making the issue 4x worse) |
| 04:28:38 | <nicolas17> | highest I have seen was on a donated VM that used a fancy block storage system rather than a disk, and the storage went down |
| 04:28:53 | <nicolas17> | so every single process that was stuck for hours trying to access the disk, increased the load average |
| 04:28:55 | <BPCZ> | You ever see a file with ~90,000 hard links to it? |
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| 04:30:25 | <fireonlive> | 😏 |
| 04:30:36 | <nicolas17> | I haven't done KDE stuff in a while >.> |
| 04:30:47 | <BPCZ> | I still find it absolutely hilarious I can track exactly when google realized they needed to take computing seriously by who quit my last employer in the 2004-2006 timeframe to work on compute at google |
| 04:31:00 | <flashfire42|m> | What did I miss XD I join and all i see is a smirk from fireonlive |
| 04:31:12 | <nicolas17> | <BPCZ> You ever see a file with ~90,000 hard links to it? |
| 04:32:29 | <BPCZ> | Just mass exodus of NASA engineers & PhDs that built novel HPC stuff asked by google to redo that work but without the hard bits and the first iteration was a pile of Perl that drove Borg |
| 04:33:34 | <nicolas17> | oh man where's that "I want to serve 5TB of data" video leaked from Google? |
| 04:34:12 | <nicolas17> | seems it got deleted |
| 04:34:19 | <nicolas17> | how do I check if a youtube video is archived on IA? |
| 04:34:37 | <BPCZ> | Na but similar timeline and having worked with the kind of person that actually wants to fork the linux kernel and maintain their own distro with a team of 1 it’s a special kind of hell |
| 04:34:37 | <nicolas17> | do youtube links Just Work on WBM if they're archived? |
| 04:34:39 | <nicolas17> | seems unlikely |
| 04:36:07 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: https://web.archive.org/web/20220608190933/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6L-FlfeaI |
| 04:36:13 | <BPCZ> | You’ve not experienced pain until you see a pure Perl data management framework that consists of 1 server file that’s 12,000 lines and a single client file that’s 8,000 lines and it’s supports TiB/s transit, multiple backends and write targets, and inflight tar and untar operations |
| 04:36:18 | <fireonlive> | aw that got deleted? |
| 04:37:00 | <fireonlive> | best google video |
| 04:37:06 | <fireonlive> | *saves a copy* |
| 04:37:56 | <BPCZ> | Like yes hello I’d like to create a tar as fast as the backend can accept the bits. It even had full tape drive support and could set flags for how many drives it claimed out of libraries |
| 04:38:43 | <fireonlive> | (https://findyoutubevideo.thetechrobo.ca/ is also handy) |
| 04:38:43 | <BPCZ> | Oh and the insane dude that wrote it maintained a fork of coreutils to parallelize cp and md5sum |
| 04:40:26 | <BPCZ> | Oh now I need to go find the NSF project that asks for full BMC access to your hardware so they can add it to their k8s research cluster |
| 04:40:36 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: one of the big things I did in KDE was in the SVN to Git migration |
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| 04:40:53 | <nicolas17> | SVN stores the repository with two files per commit |
| 04:40:58 | <nicolas17> | there were 1.5 million commits |
| 04:41:34 | <BPCZ> | nicolas17: god damn, that is a project for sure |
| 04:41:52 | <nicolas17> | the conversion tool reads goes through every commit and checks what changed in it, which almost always requires getting data from older commits too since it stores deltas |
| 04:41:56 | <BPCZ> | Surprised you didn’t quash them and link to the commit archive but I guess the history is important |
| 04:42:14 | <nicolas17> | Linux's readahead is useless since it's separate files |
| 04:42:20 | <BPCZ> | How long did that take? |
| 04:42:35 | <nicolas17> | disk cache in RAM? didn't fit the whole repo in there |
| 04:43:24 | <fireonlive> | all in perl :D |
| 04:44:05 | <nicolas17> | and it was 1 monolithic SVN repository with 1.5M commits, to be converted into one git repo per app |
| 04:44:17 | <nicolas17> | so, you write conversion rules saying what subdirectories to grab: https://invent.kde.org/sdk/kde-ruleset/-/raw/master/icecream/icecream-rules |
| 04:44:53 | <BPCZ> | Oh old job was really funny, the seniors wouldn’t tell anyone including managers where their repos were stored. They just had a random location in some servers (at least 4) where they worked out of. And it came to light when the competent manager they hired was like “what happens if we need to blackstart this site” and the seniors were like “we will just pull our secret backups that |
| 04:44:53 | <BPCZ> | get pushed to another site” |
| 04:45:02 | <nicolas17> | commit 1, get list of all paths modified, does any of them match any of the regexes in the conversion rules? nope, move on to commit 2 |
| 04:45:15 | <nicolas17> | so about 3 hours later you'd get the git repo |
| 04:45:38 | <BPCZ> | Found it |
| 04:45:40 | <BPCZ> | https://www.sdsc.edu/support/user_guides/nrp.html |
| 04:45:59 | <nicolas17> | and look at the log, and see that there's a branch missing which seems historically important and should be converted too |
| 04:46:17 | <nicolas17> | so you tweak the rules, run it again, wait 3 hours, by the time you get the repo you forget what you were even doing |
| 04:46:29 | <BPCZ> | If you have hardware and waaaay too much trust in some random PhD candidates you can give them full BMC control of your server and get access to the worlds shittiest distributed research computer |
| 04:46:32 | <nicolas17> | turns out the previous tweak had a typo |
| 04:46:58 | <nicolas17> | so that sucked |
| 04:47:42 | <BPCZ> | nicolas17 how big was this repo? |
| 04:47:50 | <nicolas17> | so I made a thing that imported the whole history (which paths were changed in each commit) into an SQL database |
| 04:48:11 | <BPCZ> | You can always fit things in ram. Maybe just with some insane tomfoolery |
| 04:48:43 | <nicolas17> | and then I could do "select distinct commit_number from modified_paths where path like '/trunk/icecream/%'" super fast since it's indexed |
| 04:48:56 | <nicolas17> | then I told the conversion tool to *only* look at those commits |
| 04:49:19 | <nicolas17> | for some subprojects it made the conversion take 3 seconds instead of 3 hours |
| 04:50:31 | <nicolas17> | I got some fun reactions like "what, that was fast, what is this black magic" |
| 04:50:44 | <nicolas17> | and "in my days the commits had to walk uphill through the snow both ways *waves cane*" |
| 04:52:24 | <nicolas17> | then when writing the conversion rules and reviewing the resulting history, I literally wore out the scroll wheel in my cheap mouse from scrolling in gitk and I had to buy a new one |
| 04:53:00 | <BPCZ> | Ugh I have a meeting with two storage vendors tomorrow. It’s literally my entire day |
| 04:54:02 | <BPCZ> | Maybe someone will solve the PLC data structure issue so you can actually use PLC as a write through cache to HDD |
| 04:54:51 | <BPCZ> | (Do not believe a vendors lies) |
| 04:55:43 | <nicolas17> | my eternal problem is I see "must have X years of experience in Y" in job descriptions and I'm like "how the fuck do I measure a year of experience in an on-and-off volunteer thing" |
| 04:56:45 | <BPCZ> | Oh oh oh I know this one |
| 04:57:25 | <BPCZ> | https://files.catbox.moe/afccyw.jpeg |
| 04:57:57 | <fireonlive> | i should try that |
| 04:58:09 | <fireonlive> | i mainly just pray i don't wake up in the morning |
| 04:58:35 | <BPCZ> | Why yes I do have 2 years of experience doing DevOPs. Please ignore that I was promoted to this role 2 months ago and just changed my job title because I felt like I didn’t materially change what I was doing the entire time |
| 04:59:40 | <nicolas17> | how do I express contributions to BOINC and KDE and archiveteam and theapplewiki and buildbot and cppcheck and wireshark and a friend's random toy project, in resume form? |
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| 05:00:12 | <nicolas17> | what even is the start-end date for those |
| 05:00:53 | <fireonlive> | no end date if you're still workin' at it |
| 05:01:07 | <fireonlive> | start date... idk when you first contributed something |
| 05:01:26 | <nicolas17> | I never unsubscribed from the BOINC mailing lists but I haven't actually done anything in years, it's all fuzzy and vague |
| 05:01:48 | <flashfire42|m> | Maybe look at what projects you were running. |
| 05:02:04 | <nicolas17> | flashfire42|m: in BOINC? |
| 05:02:17 | <flashfire42|m> | Yeah |
| 05:02:23 | <BPCZ> | The trick to being employable is already having a job and just mogging the fuck out of the interview process for the next job |
| 05:02:28 | <nicolas17> | I mean like code contributions, running my own server, arguing in boinc-dev, etc |
| 05:03:13 | <fireonlive> | 'i went full ryan sleevi for 3.5 years in bonic-dev' |
| 05:03:19 | <fireonlive> | 'ohhhh, ok' |
| 05:03:46 | <flashfire42|m> | Ah ok. Idk then |
| 05:03:52 | <BPCZ> | My current role releveled the position to bring me in as a senior for a role that I applied to with jr qualifications |
| 05:06:06 | <BPCZ> | Everyday is a battle to hide just how mentally ill I am from coworkers |
| 05:06:56 | <nicolas17> | "throwing together imgur-bruteforce in an hour or two for archiveteam" is not worth mentioning as experience, "spending a few years administering KDE server infra" is worth mentioning even if those weren't full-time-equivalent years; but I don't know where to draw the line for the big gray area in the middle |
| 05:08:37 | <fireonlive> | i'm still shooting my payloads to you :D |
| 05:09:01 | <nicolas17> | lewd |
| 05:09:08 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 05:12:17 | <nicolas17> | and then there is "If you see a job you want but you think you don't meet all the requirements, apply anyway!" |
| 05:12:24 | <nicolas17> | me: what the fuck is 'a job you want' |
| 05:12:49 | <nicolas17> | recruiters *suck* at making job descriptions sound interesting |
| 05:13:17 | <nicolas17> | I haven't *ever* seen a job ad that made me think "oh man I want to work there" |
| 05:14:07 | <nicolas17> | I *have* seen people asking for help in technical IRC channels that made me think "oh man I wish I was working on a problem like that, sounds fun" |
| 05:19:02 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ and the massive e-penis |
| 05:19:07 | <fireonlive> | ikr |
| 05:20:05 | <fireonlive> | 'i eat 800QiB clusters for breakfast' |
| 05:20:07 | <fireonlive> | :P |
| 05:20:40 | <fireonlive> | is very cool tho |
| 05:36:35 | <fireonlive> | anyone have a preferred telegram downloader? preferably something that spits out all media and also the chat in json or something |
| 05:36:56 | <BPCZ> | fireonlive: I had 400PiB of storage delivered yesterday |
| 05:37:02 | <fireonlive> | ideally i'd feed it my login so it can access login-walled stuff |
| 05:37:06 | <fireonlive> | damn :D |
| 05:37:14 | <BPCZ> | Also we are but a small bean in the big world |
| 05:37:38 | <fireonlive> | i need to back up a u-haul to your dumpster |
| 05:37:41 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 05:37:44 | <BPCZ> | Hyperscalers literally buy 70-80% of all storage produced and nearly as much compute |
| 05:38:43 | <BPCZ> | I will laugh very deeply the day aws has go admit how much spare capacity they float if growth ever slows or stops in cloud |
| 05:40:24 | <fireonlive> | lols |
| 05:45:02 | <fireonlive> | everyone is moving to local hardware again right :3 |
| 05:45:59 | <BPCZ> | no :( that’s why I’m going to transition to cloud dev and scream about how inefficient aws makes their VMs to squeeze more money out if you |
| 05:46:30 | <fireonlive> | UwU |
| 05:46:42 | <fireonlive> | muh tax dollary-doos |
| 05:46:55 | <fireonlive> | 💸 |
| 05:49:22 | <BPCZ> | Na man it’s totally awesome using lambdas to perfectly parallelize access to your site. I mean what if your burning VC money as a service company takes off on YC. You need to be able to completely spend your 18 month runway in 6 hours so you can get a series B round. Investors only want startups that think planet scale firsf |
| 05:51:15 | <fireonlive> | 😂 |
| 05:57:16 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: lambda is awesome for some use cases |
| 05:57:20 | <nicolas17> | I want to make a build system on it |
| 05:57:44 | <nicolas17> | launch 1000 parallel lambdas which each compile one .c file |
| 05:58:53 | <nicolas17> | it's certainly over-used |
| 06:00:29 | <nicolas17> | like some people would think I could have the imgur-bruteforce site submit to a lambda, which saves the data in a serverless database, or throws it into an S3 file with a periodic lambda concatenating the tiny files into larger ones, and then I would only pay cents for the negligible API calls I'm doing |
| 06:01:23 | <nicolas17> | or... I could throw the script receiving requests into the $6 VPS I *already* have and append to a text file |
| 06:02:34 | <nicolas17> | and pay nothing because that $6 VPS is gonna be there anyway whether the imgur-bruteforce script is running on it or not |
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| 06:10:02 | <fireonlive> | but, it's not webscale? |
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| 09:10:24 | <Webuser353> | Hi, what software do you recommend to archive a vBulletin forum? There are a few Arabic forums that are almost dead (barely 1-2 posts a week) and they're pretty big (smallest one has 5m posts) without boterhing ArchiveBot since I have my own VPS that I'll be using. |
| 09:10:44 | <Webuser353> | any tips or pointers would be appreciated, will be using linux of course. |
| 09:14:09 | <@Sanqui> | "bothering ArchiveBot" has the benefit of automatic ingestion into the Wayback Machine |
| 09:15:47 | <Webuser353> | I mean yeah, I'll upload them to arhive.org eventually but didn't want to take away resources |
| 09:18:13 | <Webuser353> | I wanted to apply for my own ArchiveBot but rules don't fit me (unrestricted internet access, since I'm from MENA region and some things are blocked) but the forums in questions are accessible from my region just fine. |
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| 09:19:20 | <masterX244> | grab-site is the tool to use then. Its the crawl part of archivebot without the irc control part |
| 09:19:58 | <masterX244> | important thing with forums: monitor the early crawl parts to ignoure out any rabbitholes/useless links |
| 09:20:48 | <thuban> | uploading them to archive.org won't get the warcs into the wayback machine (they'll just be available for download). using archivebot will, and there's plenty of capacity |
| 09:20:59 | <@JAA> | This does not belong in the off-topic channel. |
| 09:21:02 | <thuban> | also--yes |
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| 09:22:09 | <Webuser353> | Sorry JAA, wasn't sure where to post since I thought it was not related to ArchiveBot. |
| 09:22:28 | <Webuser353> | Thank you masterX244! will see how grab-site works. |
| 09:23:37 | <Webuser353> | ah didn't know that thuban. |
| 09:27:38 | <Webuser353> | Another question, will the ArchiveBot also crawl topics and all of their posts? on Wayback right now the archives are mostly of the sub-forum pages and first/second posts pages and nothing more is archived |
| 09:28:02 | <Webuser353> | which is the reason why I wanted to crawl it by myself since I thought that was the limit of the public bot |
| 09:28:39 | <thuban> | yes it will, but discussion should go in #archiveteam-bs |
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| 13:32:56 | <cm> | is there an irc channel for archive.org? |
| 13:35:27 | <thuban> | cm: it's not official iirc, but #internetarchive |
| 13:37:46 | <cm> | ah thanks |
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| 14:11:07 | <nulldata> | https://www.suse.com/news/SUSE-Preserves-Choice-in-Enterprise-Linux/ |
| 14:11:15 | <nulldata> | SUSE is forking RHEL |
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| 14:27:20 | <@JAA> | *plot twist* |
| 14:27:27 | <@JAA> | I did not expect that. |
| 14:28:35 | <nstrom|m> | wow yeah |
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| 14:53:21 | <that_lurker> | https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/2164abdcdcb97b9b/7s7x4r.jpg |
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| 15:12:25 | <sknebel> | SUSE has been selling RHEL support for a while, so they kind of have to now |
| 15:13:10 | <@JAA> | Ah, didn't know that. |
| 15:14:45 | <benjins2> | Someone looking for an archive of the @GammaGroupPr twitter account https://infosec.exchange/@lorenzofb/110696011178909288 |
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| 15:43:29 | <that_lurker> | There is a lot of interesting conversations about the SUSE for on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36678079 |
| 15:44:24 | <that_lurker> | s/for/forking RHEL |
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| 16:45:19 | <fireonlive> | on RHEL/SUSE/Twitter/Threads/Meta/etc: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/1HetN/IMG_3664.jpeg |
| 16:46:47 | <fireonlive> | (also lorenzo works at TechCrunch now, before that motherboard etc) |
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| 17:13:37 | <Barto> | suse? Their best release is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww :-) |
| 17:20:26 | <fireonlive> | https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-entra-azure-ad-blog/azure-ad-is-becoming-microsoft-entra-id/ba-p/2520436 |
| 17:20:36 | <fireonlive> | active directory no longer so active :P |
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| 17:40:25 | <fireonlive> | 10:37:33 AM <+rss> Intel is quitting on NUC computers: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790956/intel-nuc-compact-pc-discontinued → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36683756 |
| 17:40:33 | <fireonlive> | breaking: Intel NUCs are done |
| 17:44:58 | <@JAA> | ... I was just looking at them the other day. lol |
| 17:46:41 | <fireonlive> | :x |
| 17:47:10 | <fireonlive> | ye my current little home server box is an older nuc |
| 17:49:57 | <@JAA> | TIL DIY/modular laptops: https://frame.work/ (via one of the comments there) |
| 17:49:57 | <@JAA> | I think I've seen it before, actually, but it was just a concept at the time. |
| 17:53:15 | <Barto> | shameless plug about hardkernel and their awesome H series SoC: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3-plus/ |
| 17:53:21 | <Barto> | I'm using a H2+ as my nas |
| 17:53:43 | <@JAA> | Yeah, also one that landed on my list to look at more closely. |
| 17:54:12 | <@JAA> | The N100's TDP of 6W is neat though. |
| 17:55:35 | <@JAA> | Plus it's a newer generation including AV1 hardware decoding. |
| 17:57:26 | <fireonlive> | ah yeah, tip tech man 'infamously' invested a couple hundred thousand into framework |
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| 17:59:06 | <@JAA> | And now I found that the next generation of Intel chips (14th, Meteor Lake) will support AV1 encoding. |
| 17:59:10 | <@JAA> | > to be released to the market at an undisclosed date in the future |
| 17:59:12 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 18:01:10 | <FireFly> | oh the intel NUC news is relevant for $work, that'll be.. interesting |
| 18:09:08 | <fireonlive> | i know of a few small-medium MSPs that are 100% standardized on NUCs for their rollouts to clients |
| 18:09:14 | <fireonlive> | it's going to be fun times i guess for them |
| 18:10:23 | <fireonlive> | NUC clients being like, 'this office needs X computers to access microsoft word' or 'this hair salon needs a PC to access hairsalonbookingSaaS.example' ; they probably also do other stuff. but yeah, the standard route is hit there lol |
| 18:11:42 | <FireFly> | I mean the other hardware we rely on is raspberry pis |
| 18:12:00 | <FireFly> | so we're in a fun position I guess :p |
| 18:12:29 | <fireonlive> | i used to like them but those SD cards man..... |
| 18:12:39 | <fireonlive> | then again i've since sworn off buying sd cards from amazon lmao |
| 18:13:20 | <fireonlive> | even shipped and sold by amazon name brand a++++++++++++++ sd cards can have fakes shipped right to your pi's bussy thanks to fulfilled by amazon :/ |
| 18:13:38 | <fireonlive> | something with a little bit of onboard storage would be nice though |
| 18:19:33 | <myself> | For a lot of NUC use-cases, you can just get a framework mobo and slap it in the little case that makes it a standalone machine. |
| 18:19:54 | <fireonlive> | i guess they would sell the mobo seperately eh |
| 18:20:25 | <fireonlive> | i heard of taking the mobo post upgrade of their existing laptop and reusing the old one as like a server/desktop/whatever but never thought of 'just getting one for that express purpose' |
| 18:22:59 | <FireFly> | the problem for us is we need something with a bunch of certifications (hence also using pis in fancy industrial cases for €€) |
| 18:27:08 | <fireonlive> | ahhhhh |
| 18:27:14 | <fireonlive> | damn |
| 18:31:37 | <sknebel> | plenty other places making small PCs nowadays though. Asus, MSI, Asrock, Zotax, even HP and Lenovo do have small series. so its not like the market segment is suddenly gone |
| 18:35:11 | <FireFly> | yeah I mean I'm sure we can figure something out |
| 18:35:18 | <FireFly> | it's more having to test things, adapt things, etc |
| 18:35:35 | <fireonlive> | what do you use for storage on PIs? is it those compute unit things? |
| 18:37:12 | <FireFly> | us? just the internal flash, which isn't big but Big Enough for our purposes (the ones we have are built around the compute modules, and the pi4's have 6GiB of flash I think) |
| 18:37:25 | <FireFly> | well, built around the pi cm4 I think |
| 18:38:40 | <fireonlive> | ahh ok |
| 18:38:51 | <icedice> | <JAA> TIL DIY/modular laptops: https://frame.work/ (via one of the comments there) |
| 18:39:17 | <icedice> | Yeah, Linus is invested into Framework |
| 18:39:31 | <fireonlive> | i just had a couple basic-bitch ones that needed an SD card doing light tasks |
| 18:40:59 | <FireFly> | yeah, I have a pi4 I've been meaning to set up for home-automation thingies but haven't gotten around to yet, I'm sure it's fine to just use a random SD card though.. |
| 18:42:40 | <fireonlive> | i've been quite unlucky with death of them, but I guess if I get it from a better supplier... |
| 18:42:49 | <fireonlive> | and better tune things: tmpfs etc |
| 18:43:09 | <fireonlive> | (or otherwise ship off/turn down logging) |
| 18:43:16 | <fireonlive> | i hear the newer ones can even USB or PXE boot |
| 18:43:23 | <FireFly> | yeah that's something we ended up doing to keep writes down |
| 18:43:35 | <FireFly> | to preserve the flash longer |
| 18:43:38 | <fireonlive> | i thought I did with at least one of them but it's been a long time :D |
| 18:43:55 | <fireonlive> | for the lazy i think there's even new 'forks' of raspbian that have a lot of that configured by default |
| 18:44:00 | <FireFly> | reminds me idly of when I decided to format a microSD card with btrfs a long time ago, it didn't last long :p |
| 18:44:09 | <fireonlive> | x3 |
| 18:44:38 | <fireonlive> | i think there's even one that goes so far as to make the entire filesystem readonly? or something? it's been a while since i casually glanced |
| 18:47:23 | <@JAA> | icedice: That would explain why I hadn't really heard of it, can't stand Linus. |
| 18:47:36 | <fireonlive> | he's.............. |
| 18:47:43 | <fireonlive> | special :p |
| 18:47:43 | <FireFly> | fireonlive: netboot might be an option? |
| 18:47:54 | <FireFly> | I mean if one doesn't need state :p |
| 18:48:01 | <FireFly> | or well persistency |
| 18:48:10 | <fireonlive> | ye, can offload state for a lot of things |
| 18:48:20 | <fireonlive> | the old ones i have (idk even what gen) can't do netboot I think? |
| 18:48:25 | <FireFly> | or if there's somewhere else providing that, like a NAS or so :p |
| 18:48:26 | <fireonlive> | but i heard you can shim that with a SD card |
| 18:48:46 | <fireonlive> | that like sole purpose is to run something to netboot and otherwise be read only |
| 18:50:23 | <icedice> | Linus is all right |
| 18:50:37 | <icedice> | He has a few smooth brain takes |
| 18:50:48 | <icedice> | And there's some clickbait on the channel |
| 18:50:56 | <icedice> | But overall, not that bad |
| 18:51:30 | <fireonlive> | wow that's old, i wrote on it in electrical tape "Model B" and the board says "Raspberry Pi (c)2011,12" "FCC ID: 2ABCB-RPI21" |
| 18:51:31 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 18:51:36 | <fireonlive> | been a while i guess :D |
| 18:52:46 | <fireonlive> | to be fair that's just the one i found in the mess immediately |
| 18:52:54 | <fireonlive> | but yeah |
| 18:52:58 | <@JAA> | icedice: I'm not talking about the content. I mean, yeah, that's kind of meh, too. I can't stand his way of talking about just about anything. |
| 18:53:26 | <icedice> | They have some pretty fun videos sometimes though |
| 18:54:54 | <icedice> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQg2N1uoaY |
| 18:55:02 | <fireonlive> | whole room watercooling! |
| 18:55:12 | <fireonlive> | JAA: oh the bouncy presenter thing? |
| 18:55:23 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/dy4Uy/video0-7-1-1.mp4 |
| 18:55:42 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: haha yes |
| 18:55:55 | <fireonlive> | i linked his... power bank review recently |
| 18:56:05 | <icedice> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI2vcvhhVb4 |
| 18:56:13 | <fireonlive> | 05:44:09 PM <fireonlive> linus ??? tips: https://imgur.com/a/q5H8AmS |
| 18:56:13 | <fireonlive> | from july 8 |
| 18:56:15 | <fireonlive> | s/8/9/ |
| 18:56:29 | <fireonlive> | it was 55MB so i decided to save transfer some space |
| 18:56:38 | <fireonlive> | though i didn't supply any compression to it |
| 18:56:41 | <icedice> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwjqZZgcWk&pp=ygUYTGludXMgVGVjaCBUaXBzIE9ubHlGYW5z |
| 18:59:37 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: His hyping 'I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS TRIVIAL BIT OF INFORMATION' attitude. I'll admit that last time I watched any of his content was many years ago, apart from the one video (series) on the Apollo flight computer he did with Smarter Every Day. |
| 19:01:36 | <@JAA> | He was actually somewhat reasonable and watchable there, probably because for once, he was legitimately impressed, e.g. by the memory module's construction. |
| 19:05:42 | <fireonlive> | ahhhh yeah i know exactly what you mean there |
| 19:06:00 | <fireonlive> | on the factory tours you can see it toned down a little bit but mm |
| 19:06:11 | <fireonlive> | proabbly for the same reason you mentioned |
| 19:07:18 | <icedice> | If you look at the thumbnails you can assume that they're targeting a slighly younger demographic |
| 19:07:24 | <nicolas17> | there was a video touring ASML factory, by someone else in the LTT staff |
| 19:07:26 | <icedice> | Probably teenagers |
| 19:07:40 | <nicolas17> | and many comments said it was a good idea to not send Linus himself there... |
| 19:07:45 | <icedice> | And I guess being hyper helps with viewer retention there |
| 19:08:03 | <nicolas17> | icedice: did you see youtube has thumbnail a/b testing now |
| 19:08:12 | <icedice> | Nope |
| 19:08:38 | <nicolas17> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302360773311725569/1121819368951644201/image1.jpg |
| 19:08:49 | <@JAA> | I wonder whether ASML was like 'lolno Linus isn't getting into this building'. |
| 19:08:50 | <nicolas17> | "which clickbait is more effective" |
| 19:08:53 | <icedice> | Well, I've seen different thumbnails on the same video |
| 19:09:02 | <fireonlive> | TIL they have that |
| 19:09:20 | <icedice> | But I assumed that was the YouTuber changing it and NewPipe caching the old thumbnail URL |
| 19:09:48 | <nicolas17> | icedice: that's likely |
| 19:10:00 | <nicolas17> | I assume this testing thing would always show the same one to the same person? |
| 19:10:23 | <@JAA> | I hate when they change titles or thumbnails. Getting excited for a new video on one of the channels I follow, start watching, wait a minute... Ugh. |
| 19:10:34 | <icedice> | NewPipe isn't exactly algorithm-influenced though |
| 19:11:27 | <fireonlive> | JAA: yeah.. some of my watch history started acting wonky, like the red thing under the thumbnails and it was super annoying |
| 19:11:33 | <fireonlive> | like i thought i already saw this etc |
| 19:11:41 | <icedice> | I kind of lol'd when they made an announcement video that they were switching VPN sponsor because Tunnelbear got bought up by a US company |
| 19:11:52 | <icedice> | And they switched to Private Internet Access |
| 19:12:01 | <icedice> | Which is also a US company |
| 19:12:38 | <fireonlive> | i think it was because tunnelbear was bought by mcaffee? |
| 19:12:52 | <icedice> | Might be |
| 19:12:58 | <nicolas17> | >having a VPN sponsor |
| 19:13:09 | <icedice> | And then Private Internet Access got bought up by Kape Technologies |
| 19:13:37 | <fireonlive> | VPN sponsor spots are so cringe |
| 19:13:39 | <icedice> | Which is pretty cozy with Unit 8200 (Israeli signals intelligence) |
| 19:13:43 | <fireonlive> | the ad read for them is just....... ugh |
| 19:14:08 | <fireonlive> | 'if you don't use us hackers will literally steal your SIN/SSN and open credit cards under your name and and' |
| 19:14:47 | <icedice> | If you want to drop in IQ points, just watch Tom Spark Reviews |
| 19:15:12 | <icedice> | He's a smooth brained TorGuard shill |
| 19:16:57 | <icedice> | Watch any of his videos about well-respected VPN providers and how he then proceeds to go "you know TorGuard does that too and you get a nice discount if you use my discount code" |
| 19:17:26 | <thuban> | sponsorblock is your friend |
| 19:17:28 | <icedice> | After that he goes onto Reddit and shills TorGuard in random VPN threads where he always gets downvoted. Then he goes onto his YouTube channel and complains that some VPN subreddit on Reddit is being unfair to him :'D |
| 19:17:41 | <icedice> | Yeah, I know |
| 19:18:05 | <icedice> | His entire videos are basically sponsorships |
| 19:18:51 | <icedice> | <nicolas17> >having a VPN sponsor |
| 19:19:08 | <icedice> | There's Proton VPN which has an affiliate program |
| 19:19:25 | <fireonlive> | goes to reddit too? lmao |
| 19:20:00 | <icedice> | But iirc Proton VPN requires that the people applying for their affiliate program are actually technologically literate |
| 19:20:03 | <fireonlive> | i hear mullvad is the good one |
| 19:20:09 | <fireonlive> | but that's about it |
| 19:20:24 | <icedice> | Yeah, he runs /r/NetflixViaVPN and /r/VPNComparison |
| 19:20:34 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 19:20:47 | <icedice> | He started /r/VPNComparison since nobody in /r/VPN and /r/VPNTorrents wanted anything to do with him |
| 19:20:52 | <icedice> | <fireonlive> i hear mullvad is the good one |
| 19:21:09 | <icedice> | Unless you need port forwarding or want to unblock streaming sites, yeah |
| 19:21:25 | <icedice> | For privacy it's the best one |
| 19:21:33 | <icedice> | A shame that they got rid of port forwarding |
| 19:22:21 | <fireonlive> | yeah :( |
| 19:22:31 | <fireonlive> | i have usenet/torrents for media at least |
| 19:23:25 | <icedice> | Proton VPN, AirVPN, AzireVPN, and Integrity VPN are also good |
| 19:23:50 | <icedice> | Integrity VPN is only available as a bundle from participating ISPs mainly in Sweden, but also in Finland and Denmark since the non-profit operating it doesn't want to handle any customer payment info. So due to that geographical centralization of users, users outside of Sweden might not have as good of a haystack to blend into as with other VPNs. No idea if they do port forwarding, but I wouldn't recommend using it outside of Sweden |
| 19:23:50 | <icedice> | unless they start selling it worldwide. |
| 19:25:03 | <icedice> | <fireonlive> i have usenet/torrents for media at least |
| 19:25:17 | <icedice> | Private tracker usage is not that great without port forwarding |
| 19:26:01 | <icedice> | Seedbox is another option |
| 19:26:10 | | @JAA wonders whether NAT punching works. |
| 19:26:27 | <icedice> | I have no idea what that is |
| 19:26:40 | <@JAA> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_punching_(networking)?useskin=vector |
| 19:27:09 | <@JAA> | Just spam UDP traffic to all IPv4s, easy. :-P |
| 19:32:23 | <fireonlive> | hmmm not sure... i do think if the downloader has an open port it'll work that way |
| 19:32:36 | <fireonlive> | but i've been a public tracker leecher (minus a couple speciality ones) but a bit now :p |
| 19:32:44 | <fireonlive> | mainly just to cover usenet holes now and then |
| 19:36:49 | <@JAA> | Well, can also work with both sides behind NAT, but you'll need a separate non-NAT host to facilitate the punching. |
| 19:39:37 | <fireonlive> | ah ye, STUN/TURN |
| 19:39:41 | <fireonlive> | iirc |
| 19:39:50 | <fireonlive> | like what tailscale does |
| 19:39:54 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 19:40:18 | <fireonlive> | they have the fallback 'you go though us' but they try their hardest for you not to use it because it costs them money |
| 19:40:50 | <@JAA> | That, plus it might be very slow compared to a direct route. |
| 19:41:16 | <@JAA> | And that's the whole point of using a mesh-like network like Tailscale. |
| 19:41:18 | <fireonlive> | ah yes |
| 19:41:37 | <fireonlive> | i do like how my ssh sessions just 'stay open' lol |
| 19:41:49 | <fireonlive> | now if only i could be connected to multiple networks at once... |
| 19:41:58 | <fireonlive> | (yeah mosh is a thing... i should look into it again) |
| 19:42:20 | <fireonlive> | i think it's still a thing anyways |
| 19:42:26 | <fireonlive> | i remember it being the bees' knees |
| 19:45:24 | <@JAA> | Yeah, I've been meaning to try out mosh for a few years now. Maybe next week..... :-) |
| 19:47:00 | <fireonlive> | =] |
| 19:47:32 | <@JAA> | My `while :; do ssh -t $host tmux attach -t $session; sleep 1; done` works just fine. :-P |
| 19:48:02 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 19:48:04 | <fireonlive> | love while loops |
| 19:48:36 | <fireonlive> | if you get stuck rescue it just a <enter>~. away |
| 19:48:41 | <fireonlive> | s/it/is/ :D |
| 19:50:35 | <@JAA> | It does get fun when the terminal gets fucked up because you accidentally dumped a binary file into it. |
| 19:50:47 | <@JAA> | But otherwise, it does the job. :-P |
| 19:51:00 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 19:51:48 | <nicolas17> | mosh is great |
| 19:52:01 | <nicolas17> | stays alive across disconnections and even IP changes |
| 19:52:10 | <nicolas17> | and the latency hiding is nice too |
| 19:53:38 | <nicolas17> | you type a letter on the prompt, the server echoes it back, the mosh client notices and starts doing local echo |
| 19:53:48 | <nicolas17> | so now what you type appears on screen instantly |
| 19:54:04 | <nicolas17> | arrow keys also move the cursor instantly |
| 19:55:09 | <nicolas17> | as soon as the server does something "unexpected" in response to a keypress, or you press something like enter or tab or Ctrl-A, the local echo is disabled again |
| 19:55:10 | <@JAA> | Might be nice on mobile network connections, yeah. |
| 19:55:31 | <@JAA> | When I'm wired up at home, I barely notice any latency anyway. |
| 19:55:35 | <fireonlive> | icedice: speaking of newpipe: 12:51:46 PM <+rss> Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request: https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/announcement/newpipe-net-dmca-google-search/ → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36682509 |
| 19:55:38 | <nicolas17> | I have 150ms to my VPS :P |
| 19:56:01 | <@JAA> | And I guess readline history with arrow-up doesn't work either. |
| 19:56:17 | <nicolas17> | indeed, arrow up also disables local echo |
| 19:56:41 | <fireonlive> | just temporarily ig |
| 19:57:31 | <nicolas17> | yes, as soon as you type normal text and the remote end has expected behavior in response, it's turned back on |
| 19:58:45 | <@JAA> | How does it interact with tmux et al.? |
| 19:58:56 | <@JAA> | As in, tmux on the server side. |
| 19:59:24 | <nicolas17> | afaik it doesn't know or care what's running on the remote side |
| 20:01:36 | <nicolas17> | same as ssh |
| 20:03:21 | <@JAA> | I mean the local echo thing. Does that still work if the remote end runs something based on curses or similar? |
| 20:13:14 | <nicolas17> | vim gets local echo just fine, though *sometimes* editing commands might get briefly displayed as typed characters, until they get fixed in the next network roundtrip |
| 20:13:42 | <@JAA> | Ok yeah, that's what I expected. |
| 20:25:18 | <icedice> | fireonlive: oof, I guess "Because Music" is pro-malware distribution |
| 21:37:55 | <fireonlive> | Kelly Rowland couldn't have used the =HYPERLINK() function to message Nelly: https://blog.jgc.org/2023/07/unfortunately-kelly-rowland-couldnt.html |
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| 21:48:19 | <Barto> | someone had too much time lol |
| 21:53:53 | <fireonlive> | cloudflare CTO got bored x3 |
| 22:01:25 | <nicolas17> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0w2qOFaMAIC6cK.jpg shots fired |
| 22:03:00 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 22:03:03 | <fireonlive> | <_< |
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| 22:12:08 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286612533757083648/1128446843844579409/Clipboard01.png so this is who the Twitter rate limits were targeting |
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| 22:16:39 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: lmao |
| 22:16:55 | <fireonlive> | coomers, assemble! |
| 22:30:05 | <Doranwen> | Welp, AO3's behind Cloudflare now. |
| 22:30:14 | <Doranwen> | There go all the scripts for d/l-ing from it. |
| 22:30:40 | <nicolas17> | Doranwen: I heard they were DDoS'd *by the Russian government*? |
| 22:30:54 | <fireonlive> | Doranwen: god damn it |
| 22:31:00 | <Doranwen> | Eh, they were DDoSed by a group of hackers that are known to be associated with Russia somehow. |
| 22:31:03 | <fireonlive> | hopefully they loosen the restrictions later |
| 22:31:15 | <Doranwen> | Exact details we do not know, just that they're liars, lol. |
| 22:31:26 | <fireonlive> | i saw some telegram post vaguely saying gays are bad so the ddos will continue |
| 22:31:30 | <fireonlive> | ...somewhere |
| 22:31:52 | <Doranwen> | Yeah, AO3 says the experts say "don't believe what they say about their motivations". |
| 22:32:12 | <Doranwen> | They also wanted $30k in Bitcoin to stop the attacks, so. Who knows. |
| 22:32:29 | <nicolas17> | gotta fund the war somehow (?) |
| 22:32:38 | <Doranwen> | /\o/\ |
| 22:35:19 | <Doranwen> | The ao3downloader scripter says they'll wait to see how things shake out, confer with people or something, but they're not going to try to make it work right now. Which makes sense. |
| 22:38:59 | <fireonlive> | ye |
| 22:39:18 | <fireonlive> | 03:35:35 PM <+rss> The Free Movie: https://thefreemovie.buzz/ → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36687399 |
| 22:39:23 | <fireonlive> | something new from MSCHF :3 |
| 22:39:38 | <fireonlive> | a frame-by-frame croud-sourced line drawing of the entire bee movie |
| 22:40:29 | <fireonlive> | i quite like the (outer) interface |
| 22:41:36 | <fireonlive> | "ALL FRAMES have been drawn!!! We did it. All 65244 frames of the BEE Movie have been hand drawn." ohh |
| 22:43:11 | <fireonlive> | HN says some of them are just bad frames, which of course they are. but interesting to see where it'll go lol. also, if you dismiss that you can hit play and see what people did though |
| 22:46:19 | <@JAA> | Now do it with a Disney movie. I want to see how this plays out legally. :-P |
| 22:46:26 | <fireonlive> | looks like movie so far is here: https://thefreemovie-frames.s3.amazonaws.com/movie/in-progress-movie.mp4 |
| 22:46:41 | <fireonlive> | which is i guess should be static now? and credits for every frame available as json https://a3dc8x1bk0.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/dev/credits |
| 22:47:03 | <fireonlive> | haha yes |
| 22:47:54 | <fireonlive> | ah! and each finished frame is https://a3dc8x1bk0.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/dev/finishedFrames |
| 22:48:19 | <fireonlive> | ok that's all :D |
| 22:48:33 | <@JAA> | The number of 'penis' frames is surprisingly low. |
| 22:49:21 | <fireonlive> | indeed |
| 22:49:32 | <fireonlive> | i think i saw one fly by that said 'i'm not drawing all that' |
| 22:50:30 | <Doranwen> | LOL |
| 22:52:44 | <nicolas17> | that seems low framerate |
| 22:53:48 | <@JAA> | 12 fps it seems from a quick calculation. |
| 22:53:53 | <@JAA> | Not great, not terrible. |
| 22:54:15 | <Doranwen> | Makes me dizzy trying to watch it. |
| 22:54:27 | <nicolas17> | I would have done it binary-search-like |
| 22:55:08 | <nicolas17> | as the project continues, more in-between frames are added and framerate improves |
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| 23:08:14 | <fireonlive> | what's interesting is as the movie plays back they use the /credits endpoint to sync up who drew what |
| 23:10:16 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/Eu30T/1689117000.png |
| 23:10:21 | <fireonlive> | fortunately for you all i missed the penises |
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