| 00:00:19 | <fireonlive> | neat they dedicated a /24 just for this test lol |
| 00:00:30 | <@JAA> | https://github.com/cloudflare/isbgpsafeyet.com/issues/683 LOL |
| 00:01:00 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 00:01:18 | <fireonlive> | oooops |
| 00:03:09 | <@JAA> | Turns out the test is also pretty useless: https://github.com/cloudflare/isbgpsafeyet.com/issues/684 |
| 00:03:35 | <@JAA> | Or rather, if it returns success, you can't be sure that *your* ISP implements it correctly, I guess. |
| 00:03:42 | <@JAA> | Might be further upstream. |
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| 00:06:01 | <jasonswohl> | #hello world |
| 00:06:18 | <jasonswohl> | "#hello world" |
| 00:06:27 | <jasonswohl> | or not..... lol' |
| 00:06:59 | <jasonswohl> | #warrior |
| 00:07:03 | <@JAA> | Ah, netcup is in fact filtering: https://stats.labs.apnic.net/rpki/AS197540 |
| 00:07:16 | <@JAA> | Just not perfectly, maybe? |
| 00:07:33 | <fireonlive> | oh interesting |
| 00:07:40 | <jasonswohl> | what, are they filtering? |
| 00:07:50 | <fireonlive> | invalid rPKI announcements |
| 00:07:51 | <@JAA> | Context: https://isbgpsafeyet.com/ |
| 00:08:03 | <fireonlive> | try it on your new isp :D |
| 00:09:03 | <jasonswohl> | oooooo bgp things............. |
| 00:09:05 | <jasonswohl> | o gowd |
| 00:09:25 | <fireonlive> | is your ISP safe :3 |
| 00:11:16 | <nstrom|m> | nope |
| 00:11:35 | <fireonlive> | rip |
| 00:13:34 | <@JAA> | rPKI reminds me of duct tape. |
| 00:14:05 | <fireonlive> | some are staunchly against it |
| 00:14:07 | <@JAA> | Duct tape that's red and says 'secure' on it. |
| 00:14:14 | <fireonlive> | call it the DNSSEC of BGP |
| 00:14:55 | <fireonlive> | or ceding control of their IP space to the RIRs etc |
| 00:16:19 | <@JAA> | I'm not really familiar with either, but ... it does seem kind of like DNSSEC for BGP? |
| 00:16:53 | <fireonlive> | it basically is i believe |
| 00:17:11 | <fireonlive> | idk how much more useful, though |
| 00:18:50 | <fireonlive> | DNSSEC is a whole other can of worms :D |
| 00:19:04 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 00:19:20 | <fireonlive> | so much rabble on every side and 'what about privacy too' |
| 00:19:45 | <@JAA> | And every time I read about these kind of things, I'm amazed that the internet still works at all. |
| 00:20:00 | <fireonlive> | yeah.. the key signing ceremony at ICANN is something |
| 00:20:30 | <fireonlive> | i haven't followed it in a long time but passively came across something that one of the safes malfunctioned or something so they had to get a locksmith into the secure area to drill it out? |
| 00:20:36 | <fireonlive> | something like that |
| 00:21:01 | <jasonswohl> | nstrom|m btw, i dropped to 500/500 from 750/* and static ip on fri whenever i mentioned that..... apparently plex is still hypothetically acceptable with CGnat, but i've noticed myself in the past couple days that things seem "different" i'll let you know if you so choose once that is implemented |
| 00:21:36 | <fireonlive> | and you'll have v6! |
| 00:21:46 | <fireonlive> | just one static v4 i assume eh? |
| 00:21:57 | <jasonswohl> | JAA fireonlive i've heard/read a thing/two over the years about BGP shenanigans and its scary.... |
| 00:22:20 | <fireonlive> | 'oops i accidentally all the routes' |
| 00:22:46 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, pretty much |
| 00:22:49 | <jasonswohl> | also |
| 00:22:58 | <@JAA> | ECH/ESNI still isn't a thing. :-| |
| 00:23:17 | <@JAA> | I thought it'd have made some progress over the past few years, but nope. |
| 00:23:24 | <fireonlive> | won't someone think about the poor middleboxes 😠|
| 00:23:41 | <jasonswohl> | for an amount of time, 7ish years ago, i tried to get VERY familiar with IPv6 things and i know some things, but compared to v4, i have no fucking clue how to do homelab stuff |
| 00:23:42 | <@JAA> | OpenSSL doesn't support it, Firefox has it disabled by an about:config option, Chromium apparently as well. |
| 00:23:43 | <fireonlive> | see: TLSv1.3's fuckery lol |
| 00:24:39 | <fireonlive> | 'so a lot of "security bullshit boxes management buys" requires stuff on 443 to look like this so TLSv1.3 is going to structure things like...' |
| 00:25:47 | <@JAA> | Oh yeah |
| 00:25:53 | <nstrom|m> | jasonswohl: sounds good, ty |
| 00:26:10 | <jasonswohl> | man.......... ^^^ like i know at "some point" its going to be importante but.......... sounds like for the most part, kind of a PIA |
| 00:27:16 | <fireonlive> | https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8446 has a lot of 'middlebox' references in i |
| 00:27:17 | <fireonlive> | t |
| 00:27:45 | <fireonlive> | "Unfortunately, some middleboxes fail when presented with new values. In TLS 1.3, the TLS server indicates its version using the supported_versions" extension (Section 4.2.1), and the legacy_version field MUST be set to 0x0303, which is the version number for TLS 1.2" |
| 00:28:10 | <nicolas17> | there's also something they call GREASE now |
| 00:28:13 | <nicolas17> | in TLS and in QUIC |
| 00:28:38 | <nicolas17> | where clients can add random no-op extensions to ensure servers and middleboxes are properly ignoring unknown extensions |
| 00:29:00 | <fireonlive> | there's also a optional compat mode: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8446#appendix-D.4 |
| 00:29:05 | <nicolas17> | and people can notice the brokenness *before* they are used for serious purposes |
| 00:29:09 | <fireonlive> | indeed! love me some grease |
| 00:29:41 | <fireonlive> | chrome does something similar with one of its headers it sends to webpages |
| 00:30:30 | <fireonlive> | "Sec-Ch-Ua: "Not.A/Brand";v="8", "Chromium";v="114", "Google Chrome";v="114"" |
| 00:30:42 | <fireonlive> | at least that's what i assume that is |
| 00:30:44 | <jasonswohl> | OT: "i'm not blind, i'm observationally impaired" i feel like we've all been there (TangoTek) |
| 00:34:43 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 00:44:09 | <fireonlive> | linus ??? tips: https://imgur.com/a/q5H8AmS |
| 00:49:45 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/lttotoday/status/1678086613341986816 |
| 00:49:58 | <BPCZ> | S |
| 00:50:04 | <fireonlive> | 34 billion.... |
| 00:50:41 | <BPCZ> | Don't worry it'll drive multiples of that in consulting fees over the next decade |
| 00:50:47 | <fireonlive> | v_v |
| 00:51:50 | <BPCZ> | I've unfortunately been exposed to shops that had to do ... interesting transitions and RedHat/IBM will sell you full 10 person teams for months at a time to "assist" incompetent admins/devs at RedHatifying/IBMifying an environment |
| 00:52:42 | <BPCZ> | There's nothing quite like telling the consultant assigned to you "I would like to install tomcat" and getting back "tomcat isn't supported under rhel8 we can extend your contract to support jboss and extend service to migrate your tomcat apps to jboss" |
| 00:54:12 | <fireonlive> | holy crap |
| 00:54:25 | <fireonlive> | that's some consultant spend there... |
| 00:54:41 | <@JAA> | Yeah, that's about what I'd expect from that kind of situation. |
| 00:55:10 | <fireonlive> | enterpriseâ„¢ is a fun beast |
| 00:55:20 | <fireonlive> | very fucking entitled too it seem |
| 00:55:21 | <fireonlive> | s |
| 00:55:29 | <BPCZ> | I mean we mostly just ignored our consultant aside from asking him to mock up a plan for rolling out a 1000 node clevis and tang setup and he was piiiised about that because officially it was only validated with like 16 nodes |
| 00:56:25 | <fireonlive> | haha |
| 00:57:43 | <BPCZ> | I wasn't in the fucked team... the fucked team was using a site evaluation key of <europeans enterprise linux distro> and was being force migrated to rhel7/relh8 when they got a bill for the full cost of many tens of thousands of licenses of the old distro. |
| 00:58:15 | <fireonlive> | :x |
| 00:59:42 | <fireonlive> | TIL: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware |
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| 00:59:56 | <@JAA> | Oops |
| 01:00:07 | <BPCZ> | intel gpu 💪 |
| 01:00:22 | <BPCZ> | I like that nvidia is red and amd is green, nice touch |
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| 01:04:30 | <BPCZ> | I'm slowing coming to terms with the fact many people working jobs are completely incompetent at what they do. I think my industry in particular has some elderly dead weight but even the stories I hear out of AWS or Azure are just ... not amazing when it comes to doing things right the first... second... third... time |
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| 01:07:36 | <fireonlive> | we're only human, after all ;) |
| 01:08:16 | <BPCZ> | stark reminder that I should just leetcode grind and min/max income vs effort until I retire |
| 01:08:18 | <@JAA> | 'Move fast and break stuff!!' |
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| 01:09:04 | <BPCZ> | recently had to get on a call with Azure about doing a 1EB single namespace posix system and the initially proposed solution was effectively "we would like to use 10,000 servers to do this, we also need to stop the world for 2-ish hours a month to patch" |
| 01:09:11 | <BPCZ> | couldn't hold back laughing at that |
| 01:11:01 | <fireonlive> | there was an plugin/graft on top of openai /chatgpt/something where you gave it a goal and cloud resources and fed it back outputs and it just kept grinding until the goal was met |
| 01:11:24 | <fireonlive> | oh lord lol |
| 01:11:29 | <nicolas17> | ew |
| 01:11:31 | <BPCZ> | we then showed them a mockup of seamless patching using the same primitives they wanted to use and they attempted to hire the guy that gave the presentation |
| 01:11:57 | <BPCZ> | amazing business senses, absolute killer attempt |
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| 01:12:23 | <@JAA> | What's the use case of an 1EB single namespace posix system, and can I get one for free? :-) |
| 01:12:30 | <fireonlive> | me too xD |
| 01:12:32 | <BPCZ> | science :^) |
| 01:12:39 | <fireonlive> | good news! |
| 01:12:40 | <nicolas17> | (porn storage then?) |
| 01:12:45 | <fireonlive> | i store pictures and video for science |
| 01:12:52 | <fireonlive> | 👀 |
| 01:13:01 | <fireonlive> | i do like that it ended in someone getting hired |
| 01:13:03 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 01:13:08 | <BPCZ> | they didn't hire him |
| 01:13:14 | <BPCZ> | just tried and he was like "lol" |
| 01:13:25 | <fireonlive> | ahh |
| 01:13:27 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 01:13:37 | <flashfire42> | I had a friend that used to store websites on unencrypted Cameras until the FBI came a knocking |
| 01:13:46 | <nicolas17> | :| |
| 01:13:50 | | fireonlive cough |
| 01:13:56 | <BPCZ> | yeah don't run botnets |
| 01:13:56 | <fireonlive> | what kinda things was this friend... |
| 01:14:00 | <fireonlive> | oh |
| 01:14:02 | <fireonlive> | i see |
| 01:14:04 | <fireonlive> | nvm |
| 01:14:16 | <BPCZ> | do abuse unlimited google drive storage for years |
| 01:14:27 | <fireonlive> | 8PB in google drive no worries |
| 01:15:02 | <flashfire42> | It wasnt the content of the websites that were illegal it was the fact he had 1 hosted on the camera of a school gymnasium that was for some reason connected to the internet and completely unlocked for anyone to access and another one was on a traffic control camera |
| 01:15:04 | <@JAA> | Just use pingfs! :-) |
| 01:15:16 | <BPCZ> | I have one dude storing 80PiB from 8 years ago and he refuses to delete it because it's his PhD thesis data and he keeps saying he'll have time to run a new analysis on it |
| 01:15:31 | <fireonlive> | flashfire42: ah ye lol |
| 01:15:39 | <flashfire42> | Heh one of my teachers used to use his education google drive to store every movie he could possible download and/or rip |
| 01:15:43 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ: lmao |
| 01:16:02 | <flashfire42> | BPCZ I AM GETTING TO IT I SWEAR |
| 01:16:04 | <fireonlive> | at least it'll become read only for now if the account is one of those affected |
| 01:16:06 | <nicolas17> | I read an article about someone who mapped the entire IPv4 address space by building a botnet/worm out of insecure consumer routers |
| 01:16:24 | <nicolas17> | I thought that was funny but also surely things can't be *that* insecure? |
| 01:16:31 | <fireonlive> | oh yes |
| 01:16:34 | <fireonlive> | read up mirai botnet |
| 01:16:34 | <nicolas17> | so I tried port-scanning my "/24 neighbors" |
| 01:16:38 | <BPCZ> | to be fair he's been promoted like 3 times since he got his PhD 8 years ago so he's now a director and just hoping someday he'll have time to do IC work again |
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| 01:17:03 | <nicolas17> | (the 255 addresses on the same /24 as my home internet connection) |
| 01:17:06 | <fireonlive> | there's also https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan - "This is an Internet-scale port scanner. It can scan the entire Internet in under 5 minutes, transmitting 10 million packets per second, from a single machine." |
| 01:17:31 | <nicolas17> | I promptly found an open telnet port, on which I could login with some stupid admin/admin credentials, seemed to be a consumer router |
| 01:17:37 | <BPCZ> | https://www.techworm.net/2020/05/hacker-iot-botnet-download-anime-videos.html |
| 01:17:40 | <@JAA> | Meanwhile, we had to justify all long-term data storage beyond a couple hundred GB. :-| |
| 01:17:48 | <fireonlive> | dumb people might get mad though: https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan/blob/9065684c52682d3e12a35559ef72cd0f07838bff/data/exclude.conf#L41 |
| 01:17:57 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: lool |
| 01:18:12 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ: ahh right.. that lmao |
| 01:18:29 | <fireonlive> | the exclude.conf has some fun emails including one from 'a government contractor' |
| 01:18:31 | <nicolas17> | and there were DNS logs suggesting the owner was currently watching porn |
| 01:18:37 | <nicolas17> | I stopped my investigation there |
| 01:18:43 | <fireonlive> | was it at least a good porn site |
| 01:18:47 | <flashfire42> | 99% of the time people dont change the default passwords |
| 01:19:07 | <nicolas17> | flashfire42: passwords aside, why the fuck was a router exposing telnet to the public internet |
| 01:19:59 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: It was goatse.cx. |
| 01:20:03 | <fireonlive> | wonder if someone clicked 'manage remotely' by accident |
| 01:20:17 | <fireonlive> | JAA: ah, gape - a man of culture |
| 01:20:26 | <BPCZ> | JAA, lol I literally have more demand to deploy storage than I can logistically accomplish right now. I think the lower bound estimate is 3EiB of hot data + 2EiB of tape is being requested but we're trying to work out a method for even getting the netspeed to allow that let alone the datacenter space for like 3x the secondary systems and the like 5x in support systems that would be needed |
| 01:20:30 | <flashfire42> | https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/8f7134e6b8da51c5/image.png JAA beautiful |
| 01:20:42 | <fireonlive> | did you just click on |
| 01:20:47 | <fireonlive> | i mean i know it doesn't work any more but |
| 01:20:49 | <fireonlive> | lo |
| 01:21:06 | <nicolas17> | damn squatters |
| 01:21:11 | <fireonlive> | boy do i have a special flavour of waffles to show you |
| 01:21:18 | <fireonlive> | speaking of squatters, a man with a lovely jar... |
| 01:21:22 | <fireonlive> | etc lol |
| 01:21:34 | <@JAA> | BPCZ: Sounds like a fun place to work at if the financial resources for it are available. |
| 01:21:35 | <flashfire42> | Sorry fireonlive I have my Mr Hands full today maybe another day |
| 01:21:41 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 01:21:54 | <nicolas17> | I wanted KDE to get kde.net but the squatter is selling it for $15,000 |
| 01:21:59 | <fireonlive> | :| |
| 01:23:05 | <nicolas17> | KDE has a registered trademark, but a domain trademark dispute arbitration costs about $1,500 which is still not worth it |
| 01:23:17 | <fireonlive> | a friend has a domain that really only means something to them, squatter has had it for the last like 10 years keeps renwing it asking some high amount for it |
| 01:24:11 | <flashfire42> | I heard a few problems with people having issues when we finally allowed the TLD .au here in ozzie land. Previously you had to have .com.au or .net.au or .org.au but with .au becoming available people flocked to buy the best domains |
| 01:24:32 | <BPCZ> | money isn't the issue, it's man hours and physical space. We've had to delay over a year for some stuff to free floor space as compute is finally retired and telling the compute guys to build out new dedicated compute specific DCs. I really just want a 1 million sqft darksite datacenter but due heat density being the limiting factor going bigger actually hurts us with like way too much overhead in cooling cost |
| 01:25:17 | <flashfire42> | Put a spa out back and funnel the heat into that? Doesnt IA use their servers instead of paying for heating |
| 01:26:31 | <nicolas17> | <BPCZ> stark reminder that I should just leetcode grind and min/max income vs effort until I retire |
| 01:26:44 | <BPCZ> | flashfire42, we're shoving like 60mw in 12,000 sqft of space Q.Q |
| 01:26:49 | | @JAA wonders which industry this is. |
| 01:26:51 | <nicolas17> | my limitation is confidence / self esteem ._. |
| 01:27:29 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: tell them to port their software to ARM and make a cluster from a pile of Mac Studios |
| 01:27:35 | <BPCZ> | JAA, pre-AI big clusters that definitely are the exact template AI clusters ripped off and hired from |
| 01:27:59 | <@JAA> | Yeah, AI would've been my guess, actually. |
| 01:28:52 | <BPCZ> | AI is just a new user to me with an unoptimized IO/network pattern because they haven't found the need to be efficient yet when "easy" scaling comes from throwing money at the problem |
| 01:29:09 | <@JAA> | Heh |
| 01:30:20 | <fireonlive> | GPUs go brrrrrrr |
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| 01:33:32 | <BPCZ> | I liked the recent notes I saw comparing large scale training on AWS and Azure and Azure came out on top. Because they use infiniband so small messages actually work instead of the nightmare that is Amazons EFS "hyperscale ethernet" |
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| 01:37:31 | <BPCZ> | made even better by some AWS PhDs being like "I tested this on a 4 node system and the difference was negligible" lol cool story man talk to me when you start crossing director switches in full bi-sectional bandwidth utilization during a sync |
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| 01:44:33 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ shitty to be in a position where you have to push for infrastructure :( BUT omg, super cool to be involved w/ such things IMO |
| 01:44:41 | <fireonlive> | i guess you do quite push everything to the limt there :p |
| 01:50:48 | <BPCZ> | jasonswohl: I’m planning to refresh all the infra under my domain in the next year and dip to a role that will pay properly |
| 01:51:11 | <BPCZ> | To have a serious career here I’d need a PhD and I’m not going to do that to myself |
| 01:51:43 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ "my domain" = work responsibility i take it? |
| 01:52:32 | <BPCZ> | We carve stuff up by team. I kind of generally ignore the domains and just fix things but storage and network are my bread and butter |
| 01:53:31 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ once upon a time my dream gig to be such an admin. BUT PhD req to move up, seems abnoxious kudos to your plan for sure |
| 01:54:26 | <BPCZ> | QQ admin, my guy I wish I was just an admin |
| 01:54:41 | <jasonswohl> | i mean, still is, but starting school to be a machinist tomorrow morning :) |
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| 01:56:21 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ qq admin = ? |
| 01:56:28 | <BPCZ> | QQ cry |
| 01:57:06 | <jasonswohl> | lol |
| 01:58:51 | <BPCZ> | Things in my domain, microservice of go/c++ parts, zfs work from time to time, metrics tooling into random vendor black boxes because their own metrics engines are terrible |
| 01:59:29 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ 100% gotcha now. that sounds like, a LOT of "fun" |
| 01:59:41 | <BPCZ> | It’s usually a hodgepodge of pick the highest impact thing for the week/month and run until it’s done or you have to deal with something else |
| 02:00:18 | <BPCZ> | It’s actually a lot of fun, I’m just overly obsessed with learning and doing everything and fixing issues that crop up from others doing things non-optimally |
| 02:01:00 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ not ever remotely at that scale, but 100% been there However also having to do helpdesk :) |
| 02:01:08 | <jasonswohl> | and same here for teh learning |
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| 02:01:57 | <BPCZ> | Haha so glad I escaped helpdesk at my last job. We don’t really even had a picket queue for my current team. Just an issue board we maintain internally |
| 02:02:55 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, for me its been MSP/coorp jobs so, helpdesk, had lil more than 1/2 year as a unix jr sysadmin but that went to shit sadly |
| 02:03:08 | <BPCZ> | F |
| 02:04:02 | <jasonswohl> | BPCZ :) ty ty , 1st day tomorrow all of that |
| 02:04:15 | <jasonswohl> | really excited personally. Machining is cool |
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| 02:06:50 | <jasonswohl> | but, that'll do it for me tonight peoplez! ill be back :) |
| 02:08:01 | <BPCZ> | Enjoy it! |
| 02:08:39 | <jasonswohl> | ty! |
| 02:08:42 | <fireonlive> | night :3 |
| 02:08:54 | <jasonswohl> | gnite ^ |
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| 14:49:52 | <nulldata> | Threads has now reached 100M users https://www.threads.net/t/CuhOXGmr74R |
| 15:06:59 | <nstrom|m> | I'm sure that's just "people that have signed up for an account" and not actually active users |
| 15:07:19 | <nstrom|m> | Though I guess what defines an active user is up for debate, especially on a new platform |
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| 15:09:49 | <hexa-> | yeah, let's hear MAU |
| 16:23:16 | <fireonlive> | hexa-: shouldn't we use user-seconds like elon? :P |
| 16:26:03 | <hexa-> | lmao |
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| 16:53:28 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/1678435847681523712 |
| 16:53:31 | <fireonlive> | 👀 |
| 16:54:40 | <nstrom|m> | lol |
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| 18:25:43 | <fireonlive> | Incident Review for Site-wide Outage for GitLab.com - Stale Terraform Pipeline #15997 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/production/-/issues/15999 |
| 19:37:09 | <that_lurker> | More memes :P https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/ec4e74a9134d51bb/7s4uv5.jpg |
| 19:40:12 | <Barto> | :D |
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| 20:31:26 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 20:38:24 | <fireonlive> | https://sorens.beehiiv.com/p/imessage-link-click-visibility < imagine if this was a thing everywhere lol |
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| 20:49:56 | <BPCZ> | https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/ |
| 20:52:25 | <fireonlive> | ....oracle is the good guy? |
| 20:52:28 | <fireonlive> | ....oracle? |
| 20:52:47 | <@JAA> | My thoughts exactly .lol |
| 20:52:48 | <fireonlive> | like larry ellison oracle |
| 20:52:50 | <BPCZ> | Just trying to lure you in to using Oracle linux |
| 20:52:53 | <fireonlive> | right? lol |
| 20:53:45 | <Barto> | a reversed vest is still a bad vest |
| 20:56:17 | <@JAA> | If IBM and Oracle publicly hit each other on the head, there can only be winners. |
| 20:57:43 | <Barto> | 🔥🔥🔥 |
| 21:00:37 | <Doranwen> | Meanwhile I'm having fun watching all the fandom people on Reddit go crazy because AO3's been DDoSed, and their only update method is Twitter (so people keep having to post screenshots for everyone else to see what the updates are). Periodically I remind people they can browse it via the WBM and funnel the fic links to FicHub to get cached versions to read. |
| 21:01:18 | | Doranwen wonders whether they'll realize at some point that they really ought to have a communication method that's readable without an account… |
| 21:03:21 | <@JAA> | *cough* IA *cough* |
| 21:07:13 | <fireonlive> | you mean mastodon that's hosted in the same place as.. |
| 21:07:15 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 21:08:29 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 21:08:45 | <@JAA> | Well, they do have the maintenance page thing that's hosted somewhere else. |
| 21:10:36 | <Doranwen> | Where is that exactly? |
| 21:11:03 | <@JAA> | No idea |
| 21:11:58 | <@JAA> | Or maybe it's just backed by a UPS or similar, which wouldn't be feasible for the rest of the system. |
| 21:13:05 | <Doranwen> | The only thing I can find when I search is the ao3_status twitter, which, well, Twitter. :P |
| 21:13:53 | <@JAA> | Oh, I was talking about IA, not AO3. |
| 21:14:04 | <@JAA> | They also use Twitter for communication during outages. |
| 21:14:12 | <Doranwen> | Ah, gotcha. |
| 21:16:33 | <Doranwen> | Me, at least I've already snagged several large fandoms of fic (tens of thousands of fics) via ao3downloader and plan on doing more when the site's back up. Tons and tons to read if I wanted to. |
| 21:17:22 | <Doranwen> | And then there was the person who posted about how this was one of the rare moments when doomsday prepping (aka downloading over a gigabyte of fanfics) pays off. XD |
| 21:21:52 | <fireonlive> | ao3downloader eh <_< |
| 21:24:46 | <Doranwen> | Are you familiar with it? I hadn't heard of it till recently. |
| 21:24:58 | <Doranwen> | I'd have been grabbing fics with it long before, lol. |
| 21:26:19 | <fireonlive> | am not but i think found the repo |
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| 21:52:22 | <Doranwen> | fireonlive: When AO3 *is* working, it's a great way to mass d/l fics from there. |
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| 21:52:42 | <Doranwen> | Right now I'm not using mine because they're still dealing with the attack, I think. |
| 21:53:10 | <fireonlive> | wonder who got pissed off at them |
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| 22:06:14 | <Doranwen> | No clue. The AO3 status update says that experts don't believe the stated motivations of the group claiming responsibility, so it's anyone's guess. |
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| 22:16:54 | <jasonswohl> | how goes it fellas? |
| 22:17:06 | <jasonswohl> | Doranwen what is AO3?! |
| 22:17:44 | <Doranwen> | Archive of Our Own - major fanworks site online (mostly fic but there's fanart and podfic and whatnot too) |
| 22:17:59 | <jasonswohl> | ahhh, interesting |
| 22:18:07 | <jasonswohl> | also for those wondering: got a static IP now :) told them to drop me back down to 500/500 from 750, but seems they forgot to do that part :) |
| 22:18:21 | <Doranwen> | This appears to be the same group: https://fortune.com/2023/06/28/hactivists-targeted-microsoft-anonymous-sudan-security-experts-convinced-russia-behind-it/ |
| 22:25:12 | <fireonlive> | jasonswohl: hope they didn't forget about the bill too :p |
| 22:42:23 | <@rewby> | Just wondering, is it worth doing a mass archive of AO3? |
| 22:44:02 | <fireonlive> | hmmm, i haven't super used it myself, but it does seem quite popular: more than 59,110 fandoms | 5,995,000 users | 11,380,000 works |
| 22:44:09 | <fireonlive> | from their homepage |
| 22:44:27 | <@rewby> | Yeah. but also, 11m works isn't much |
| 22:44:30 | <@rewby> | It's basically only text |
| 22:44:37 | <fireonlive> | for sure |
| 22:44:41 | <@rewby> | And most works are like 2 maybe 3 pages |
| 22:44:47 | <@rewby> | Which is fuckall with our compression |
| 22:45:02 | <fireonlive> | may as well :D |
| 22:45:40 | <@rewby> | arkiver: Thoughts on above? |
| 22:45:55 | <@rewby> | Although we'd wait until after the DDoS |
| 22:45:59 | <fireonlive> | ye |
| 22:46:11 | <fireonlive> | i don't think it's all erotica like a nifty.org would be either |
| 22:46:16 | <Doranwen> | A whole lot of fics are archive-only now because of the ChatGPT scraping stuff. |
| 22:46:31 | <Doranwen> | And no, there's lots of gen, fluff, family stories, etc. |
| 22:46:37 | <fireonlive> | ah ok |
| 22:46:57 | <Doranwen> | Still a minority of all fics are locked, but I know the ratio of locked ones went up. |
| 22:47:03 | <@rewby> | Doranwen: Locked how? |
| 22:47:09 | <Doranwen> | You have to have an account to view them. |
| 22:47:11 | <@rewby> | Ah |
| 22:47:15 | <@rewby> | Hm |
| 22:47:24 | <@rewby> | I wonder how well that filter actually works |
| 22:47:24 | <Doranwen> | But they download the same as non-archive-locked if you use their download features. |
| 22:47:45 | <Doranwen> | Like, the downloaded versions don't have any embedded data on the person d/l-ing. |
| 22:47:53 | <@rewby> | Ah. Might be interesting to at least get a massive IA item or two with a pile of versions |
| 22:48:06 | <Doranwen> | I've been using ao3downloader to grab the archive-locked fics as well. |
| 22:48:17 | <Doranwen> | Since it's possible to put one's account info in that way. |
| 22:48:25 | <@rewby> | All of them or just some? |
| 22:48:31 | <Doranwen> | Any archive-locked fic. |
| 22:48:34 | <@rewby> | Ah |
| 22:48:41 | <Doranwen> | They're not blocked for downloading, just viewing without an account. |
| 22:48:46 | <@rewby> | You interested in maybe just grabbing them all? |
| 22:48:53 | <Doranwen> | I don't think there's a way for anyone to block their fic from being d/l-ed. |
| 22:48:53 | <@rewby> | Aka the archiveteam way :tm: |
| 22:49:03 | <Doranwen> | LOL, once I've gotten *my* sets, maybe. |
| 22:49:10 | <@rewby> | Heh |
| 22:49:18 | <@rewby> | Not sure what kinda sizes we looking at |
| 22:49:20 | <Doranwen> | But I'm not grabbing everything - just the fandoms I want - in the formats I want - with a few filters applied. |
| 22:49:25 | <@arkiver> | hi |
| 22:49:40 | <Doranwen> | I've been grabbing epub, pdf, and html - I use all of them for different purposes. |
| 22:49:50 | <@rewby> | It's a subject somewhat dear to me |
| 22:49:51 | <Doranwen> | Epub only is a good deal smaller than all three combined, of course. |
| 22:50:08 | <@rewby> | I used to read fanfiction all the time when I was younger, a lot of it vanished and I still read some occasionally to this day |
| 22:50:36 | <Doranwen> | Yeah, I've lost fic over the years, have a stash of "dead fic" even now, stuff you can't find anywhere else. |
| 22:50:37 | <@arkiver> | is 11 million small enough for AB or do we need this in somewhat short time? |
| 22:51:05 | <@rewby> | It's not really a short time kinda thing afaik. But a bunch of it is login-walled |
| 22:51:07 | <Doranwen> | AB can't get it all because of the archive-locking, and can it get past the "yes, I'm 18" box? |
| 22:51:25 | <@rewby> | Isn't that box just a plain href? |
| 22:51:43 | <Doranwen> | If you view without an account you have to click to certify you're 18 to see a bunch of the fics. I know at least one fic I found on the WBM I couldn't access because all it captured was that screen. |
| 22:52:04 | <@rewby> | The reason for login wall, btw, is purely to tell openai to piss off as far as I can tell |
| 22:53:21 | <@rewby> | http://web.archive.org/web/20230521045518/https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/25888?show_comments=true |
| 22:53:49 | <@rewby> | Although they don't want to have their archives publicly available |
| 22:54:09 | <@JAA> | Can we move this to -bs please? |
| 22:54:22 | <@rewby> | Ah oops. I can't read channel names apparently |
| 22:56:07 | <nulldata> | So uh as I was saying - InfluxDB Cloud == bad :P |
| 22:56:36 | <@JAA> | Yeah, definitely won't touch InfluxData at all after this. lol |
| 22:59:27 | <fireonlive> | yes |
| 22:59:42 | <fireonlive> | influxdb cloud is the new mangodb |
| 22:59:51 | <@JAA> | No further comments from pauldix on HN. Probably better if he keeps his mouth shut. lol |
| 23:00:27 | <fireonlive> | yeah... lol |
| 23:00:47 | <fireonlive> | unless he comes out with a full on apology and opening them up to all sorts of fun idk |
| 23:00:54 | <fireonlive> | what else he can say really |
| 23:38:28 | <fireonlive> | to those using encrypt let's: 03:58:15 PM <+rss> Shortening the Let's Encrypt Chain of Trust: https://letsencrypt.org/2023/07/10/cross-sign-expiration.html → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36673793 |
| 23:39:10 | <fireonlive> | tl;dr: older android devices only really affected in future ig |
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| 23:52:41 | <nulldata> | https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/ |
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| 23:54:44 | <BPCZ> | Call me when they open source zfs |
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| 23:57:03 | <nulldata> | Fighting words from the bastion of open source software - Oracle :P |
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