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00:25:26<atphoenix>SCSi, I'm not so sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZDILuqCMlc
00:26:23<atphoenix>or maybe that's exactly what you meant.
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00:48:43<Ravenloft>look at those floppies https://www.instagram.com/tv/CMM4w7inPZ1/
00:48:46<Ravenloft>1998
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14:42:57<@kiska>https://twitter.com/_Skunnyk_/status/1369638092810895366/photo/1 showing how the fire progressed
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14:44:54<@kiska>I assume in that graph at about 1:15 is when they started mass live migrating VMs from SBG2
14:49:43<@kiska>3 updates https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370015661196460037 https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370015662572191746 https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370015664438714373
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15:16:53<@kiska>OOF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819157397456289822/819560689898749952/20210311_172003.jpg
15:19:55<Dallas>did you lose anything kiska
15:20:01<@kiska>Nope :D
15:20:05<@kiska>I didn't have anything in SBG
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16:16:13<betamax>I had one in SBG1.... I guess I'll find out in a couple weeks if it's OK (8 / 12 rooms OK in SBG1)
16:17:02<betamax>of course, I didn't have recent backups... because ..... uh.... damn....
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16:48:08<SCSi>looking at those temp graphs i said "oh thats not too ho-oooooh thats in C, not F"
16:50:12<SCSi>and rust i guess didnt have backups
16:50:16<SCSi>so wtf is that about
16:56:29<rsn>Rust regularly wipes data, probably didn't occur to keep them.
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18:45:40<@JAA>betamax: If it's in rooms 61Bxx, 61Cxx, 62Bxx, or 62Cxx, it's probably dead.
18:46:41<@JAA>Not sure if those are completely destroyed, but those are the four rooms that were 'severely affected'.
18:47:51<@JAA>Fun fact: OVH's OpenStack regions sbg1, sbg2, sbg3, and sbg4 were all in SBG2, and sbg5/sbg6 in SBG3. Because uh reasons.
19:03:36<atphoenix>The temp screenshots shared yesterday of https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/fb9ea542120cd22e/image.png also had my eyes open at those 85 C+ readings. And the graph of https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819157397456289822/819560689898749952/20210311_172003.jpg that kiska shared is doubly interesting as along with the temp rise, it also shows gaps in the data that eventually get longer and longer...until there is no more data....RIP
19:05:44<@JAA>I'd love to see temperature series from surviving servers in SBG1.
19:06:19<@JAA>But they shut down power at some point so...
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20:10:31<betamax>JAA: how do you tell if it's in OpenStack or not (stupid question I'm sure)
20:10:34<betamax>as far as I'm aware it's just a vps, but the zone is "os-sbg1-006 (cluster-001)"
20:10:44<betamax>details: https://i.imgur.com/421w3Jv.png
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20:40:22<@JAA>betamax: I *think* that 'os' stands for OpenStack there, but I'm not at all sure. I'm seeing various messages on Twitter asking about os-sbg1-* and receiving conflicting answers from support about where that is.
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20:46:12<@JAA>https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369773836359589893 'If I remember well ...' lol
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21:22:59<betamax>ah, well - I guess I'll just wait and see :)
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21:52:57<Wayward>Is Floor 3/4 just beyond Platform 9-3/4
21:53:45<Wayward>I didn't know stacked shipping containers had 'floors'.
21:57:23<@JAA>SBG2 and SBG3 aren't containers.
21:57:38<Wayward>I see.
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23:31:48<atphoenix>Floor 3/4 may have been built by the same crew as Floor 7 1/2 in the LesterCorp building. Both are surreal.
23:33:35<atphoenix>Primary difference is one is the scene of a digital tragedy and the other the scene of a confusing comedy.
23:34:53<Wayward>Q: Why does it take 20 times as long to read/write many gigs to a drive formatted as exFAT versus NTFS
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23:35:30<Wayward>Is it really just thrashing the file allocation table 1000 times a minute or something
23:35:57<atphoenix>big files or tiny?
23:36:01<Wayward>big
23:36:15<Wayward>average file size 2 gb
23:36:18<@JAA>OS?
23:36:24<Wayward>Win
23:36:35<Wayward>utilizing 3rd party FastCopy
23:36:37<atphoenix>I have no idea for big. For small, NTFS puts tiny files directly in the MFT.
23:37:20<atphoenix>are the media identical?
23:37:29<Wayward>in shape
23:37:52<Wayward>as well as sequential
23:38:08<atphoenix>SMR drives can be super slow to write. I use TeraCopy or Win Explorer depending on situation.
23:38:34<Wayward>6 identical drives. been switching them from exFAT to NTFS due to this specifically
23:39:13<Wayward>only utilizing exFAT now where specifically needed
23:39:29<atphoenix>Maybe driver optimization. Windows is most tested on NTFS, with ExFAT for some removeables.
23:40:23<Wayward>btw, i meant to say to-and-from a drive formatted as exFAT. even reading is stunted
23:42:05<Wayward>I see multiple people asking about the same issue on various support forums, mostly unanswered, otherwise no meaningful answer
23:43:16<atphoenix>I prefer NTFS. But then when reading from Linux...the NTFS-3g driver can be slow.
23:43:31<atphoenix>(for portable drives)
23:43:53<Wayward>given that microsoft owns exFAT it seems odd.
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23:47:05<atphoenix>I don't think they give it much attention beyond 'does it eat data?' and 'is it stable?'. NTFS is their focus.
23:48:07<atphoenix>Performance is probably not a priority. But also try a different copy tool. Maybe FastCopy is a factor.
23:49:16<atphoenix>and I assume you aren't trying to copy to/from the exact same drive in one move. That's a recipe for slow.
23:49:30<Wayward>right.
23:50:17<Wayward>I'll try a couple other benchmark tests
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23:56:08<atphoenix>also for clean slate testing, zero-wipe the drives beforehand. You don't want to run into write amplification issues on the destinations. That's nominally a potential SSD issue, but SMR hard drives have a similar issue. I'd guess that hybrid SSD-HDD drives could also have such issues.
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