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00:08:13<Wayward>i always zero wipe a drive after scooting data
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01:46:01<@hook54321>https://www.dosdoce.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Guide-to-Ebook-Licensing-Purchase-Models-Bookwire-and-Dosdoce.pdf
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05:23:42<@JAA>I once found a site tracking Hetzner's Serverbörse (auction) over time, letting you see the lowest prices for a particular configuration over the last couple weeks or so. Can't find it anymore though. Does anyone of you know it?
05:25:30<@kiska>server hunter?
05:31:43<@JAA>Hmm, maybe, but their history per server ID seems to be ... poor.
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05:37:21<@JAA>As in, I haven't found anything with more than two data points even for servers that have definitely been on SB for a long time (all of the low-price ones).
05:40:33<@JAA>The one I remember had more, just in case that wasn't clear. You could see the price jump back up when servers were bought, for example.
05:51:55<@JAA>Oh lol. I think it might've been metaDedi. I just didn't see the history button before. (But it's horribly slow right now, so can't check.)
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07:21:05<Jake>latest OVH update all in french https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370273153465868290
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10:26:55<Jake>https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370319835561857025
10:29:36<@JAA>A week just to boot the servers in SBG3. Whoa.
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10:58:10<AK>"insurance’s experts"
10:58:56<AK>My guess is they're being super careful now, working out what insurance will pay for and won't
11:02:20<@EggplantN>I’m guessing they’re trying to figure out ASAP who’s fault it is AK
11:02:52<@EggplantN>to see who is gonna pay because from that video, be mentioned that UPS7 had maint from its supplier morning of
11:03:10<AK>Yeah, and if turning power on now fries more servers, I bet insurance won't cover that
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14:12:06<Jake>https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1370375560141094913
14:21:16<@EggplantN>ooof thats a fair bit of data plus for the more critical apps like private cloud
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17:51:18<ave>Anyone has anything to archive entire gitlab servers?
17:51:38<ave>git.rip's owner got raided this morning and no longer has access to the server, and as such it may go down at any point
17:53:57<SCSi>uh, raided?
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17:56:21<atphoenix>some endangered stuff is there like https://git.rip/mirror/github/clownacy/CSE2EX
17:56:46<SCSi>https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29099456/how-to-clone-all-projects-of-a-group-at-once-in-gitlab
17:56:50<SCSi>maybe ghorg?
17:58:29<atphoenix>twitter comment on git.rip https://twitter.com/1kescher/status/1370431968463192071
17:59:09<atphoenix>ave, you have a reference?
17:59:17<SCSi>meh, if I had a PIA or mullvad account i'd go wild
17:59:23<ave>atphoenix, one sec
17:59:28<ave>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-12/swiss-police-raid-apartment-of-verkada-hacker-seize-devices
17:59:42<Wayward>for the casual observer, what is a git.rip and a del.dog
17:59:53<SCSi>rouge gitlab site
17:59:57<SCSi>has a bunch of leaked info on it
17:59:59<ave>tillie kottmann is also known as deletescape, nyancrimes, and alongside many things, they operated git.rip and del.dog.
18:00:09<Wayward>ah.
18:00:34<ave>They have confirmed on telegram that they no longer have access to any keys etc, and that it may be taken down at any point.
18:01:01<SCSi>you'd think they would have secret dumps to another server so people can clone it
18:01:04<SCSi>or at least preserve it
18:03:30<Wayward>taking bets on whether he kept his bitcoin wallet on his desktop or on a USB key buried in the neighbor's back yard
18:03:36<ave>They
18:04:58<ave>What's done is done, and at this point what's a better use of time is not arguing but determining if things are worth archiving, and if they are, archiving them. Leaks can be left alone, and I think some people hosted their own code there.
18:06:24<SCSi>i mean if someone had a snapshot, might be worthwhile for a few of us to keep on the down-low until the heat dies
18:09:36<SCSi>and i think everything needs archiving
18:09:56<SCSi>now if its suitable for public consumption here/now? Thats debatable
18:10:25<SCSi>i just sorta wish i would have known about the site before it went tits up
18:16:04<@HCross>any way to get to it without signing up/in
18:16:30<SCSi>that stackoverflow article has scripts on cloning gitlab directories
18:16:40<atphoenix>SCSi, git.rip and del.dog are still up
18:16:49<SCSi>my 2 second probably-shouldnt-of-done-that-from-my-home-ip look shows them all public
18:17:14<SCSi>atphoenix: its up, but im sure they are sniffing everything in/out
18:17:31<SCSi>fortunally i only saw the groups, and not individual files
18:17:40<atphoenix>i see
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18:18:02<SCSi>yeah i wouldnt wanna clone anything on any IP thats related to me
18:18:24<SCSi>now if you had a trusted VPN, that stackoverflow has utils to clone entire things
18:19:46<@HCross>I can already tell you what the IA's answer to this will be
18:19:47<@HCross>and iot'
18:19:50<@HCross>it's 2 letters long
18:19:55<SCSi>YA!
18:19:57<SCSi>hahah
18:20:09<SCSi>IA wouldnt want to touch that with a 10 foot pole while its hot now
18:20:25<SCSi>but who knows 5-10 years from now
18:30:00<atphoenix>From 2 days ago: https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-suspends-verkada-hacker-tillie-kottman-account-security-footage-leak-1575046
18:44:09<@EggplantN>i love how they're able to act surprised every time this happens
18:45:17<ave>Tillie isn't surprised, actually
18:47:20<Wayward>>"You have 4 free articles remaining this month" ... sure i do.
18:52:55<Wayward>That is an interesting quote from Twitter in that article, and I'm kind of taken aback by it. It's a real opinion to stand by? > "The use of hacks and hacking to exfiltrate information from private computer systems can be used to manipulate the public conversation, and makes all of us less secure online," the social network said in a blog post published in October 2020.
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18:53:41<SCSi>twitter saying that is irony
18:53:47<Wayward>I wasn't aware that revealing hard physical evidence was a bad-form of 'public conversation manipulation'.
18:54:05<SCSi>well it means they cant twist the truth to the benefit of their views
18:54:13<Wayward>"This is a rock. It's made up of smaller rocks." Twitter: "NoooOOOooOOOoo!"
18:54:31<SCSi>'facts make our job hard, stop that, plz'
18:56:09<Wayward>I guess they must still be peeved that Hillary had illegal computer systems and email servers that shouldn't have been hacked.
19:01:22<@HCross>hm, I do have my torbot pipeline
19:08:27<SCSi>might be a good use of tor
19:09:31<SCSi>i ran a relay for a long time, and an exit node for a short while
19:14:16<atphoenix>Arguably a diverse ecosystem of different systems and servers avoids single-points-of-failure. Compromise of one then doesn't mean compromise of all.
19:15:02<SCSi>in theory yes
19:16:22<SCSi>if there were multiple mirrors on diff servers with different keys in different faculities
19:16:51<SCSi>but if its round-robin dns, who knows if you're getting a clean one or a popped one
19:16:57<Wayward>allowing system/hardware owners to have supreme autonomy is also very effective. Super-Ultra-Secret-Admin credentials are something the CCP might bake in to their cameras, and I expect a lot of these large corporations are demanding a full refund.
19:17:08<Wayward>"You never told us of this bullshit."
19:17:19<Wayward>"Now we're in the news and our stock has dropped. Pay up."
19:17:37<SCSi>oh the Verkada bullshit, yeah, i mean wtf
19:17:45<SCSi>of course hindsight is always 20/20, but come on
19:18:31<atphoenix>IOT has been a dumpsterfire for years
19:19:05<SCSi>oh its bigger than a dumpster fire, and really IoT has made ipv6 sorta a nightmare
19:19:22<SCSi>ive been saying this for a while, much to the disagreement of people
19:19:58<Wayward>If I were Musk, who tends to be hyper sensitive about such things, I'd be scanning through their privacy policy and contract paperwork for anything that indicates hardware ownership and control supremacy.
19:20:17<Wayward>Then sue them into bankrupsy and buy their assets.
19:20:25<SCSi>TeslaCam(tm)
19:20:29<atphoenix>Musk could build his own cameras.
19:20:44<Wayward>He's busy building his own AWS and Facebook.
19:21:21<atphoenix>what's his Facebook equivalency?
19:21:22<SCSi>and putting up with Grimes
19:21:27<Wayward>"The Hosting Company" (THC) via "Gigabyte Factories"
19:22:36<Wayward>atphoenix: He's not going to say a peep until it's out of pre-alpha, alpha, and closed beta.
19:23:17<atphoenix>gigabyte factories?
19:23:37<@HCross>I'm morally bent on weather this is a good thing to spend my evening grabbing
19:23:39<Wayward>He building all these Giga Factories around the world now. They might as well double as data centers
19:23:59<@HCross>Wayward: LidlCloud: https://www.chargedretail.co.uk/2020/05/11/lidl-owner-launching-its-own-rival-to-amazon-web-services/
19:24:39<Wayward>HCross: How many cities do they have data centers in?
19:24:56<@HCross>Heaven knows, but I had the dream of them building edge compute in each store
19:27:30<atphoenix>I don't think I've seen anything serious about THC
19:28:05<atphoenix>but there is definitely serious stuff happening with OVH
19:28:29<Wayward>atphoenix: I think if Musk were to go balls to the wall touting that he's going to take on AWS, then supply chains would start to dry up as Amazon doubles down on the squeeze.
19:29:13<atphoenix>if Bezos and Musk get into a fight, he could do it.
19:29:39<Wayward>they're already fighting
19:29:51<atphoenix>I mean Musk could take on Bezos
19:30:14<atphoenix>Some bickering. Not yet war.
19:30:52<atphoenix>Not smart to bet against either of these two.
19:32:10<atphoenix>and neither is sufficiently powerful to knock out the other.
19:32:39<Wayward>Bezos certainly has more fingers in the server hardware supply chain
19:33:01<atphoenix>so at most it'll be disentanglement and severing business ties from each other
19:38:45<atphoenix>Tesla does hardware design too. I don't see a choke hold happening. Mobileye thought they could stop Tesla from going with an in-house camera and software design. Now Intel owns them.
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