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| 01:44:22 | <SCSi> | oh man verkada needs documentation of the trainwreck thats soon to be coming their way |
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| 03:07:10 | <ALTROSKY> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369478732247932929 |
| 03:07:15 | <ALTROSKY> | OVH sbg is on fire |
| 03:08:30 | <@JAA> | Oh shit. |
| 03:10:15 | <@kiska> | Whoops? |
| 03:10:28 | <@kiska> | I saw someone say all their data is in SBG2 :D |
| 03:10:45 | <@JAA> | F |
| 03:11:18 | <ALTROSKY> | that's dumb then |
| 03:12:39 | <@kiska> | According to this SBG2 is still active :D https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/5dee1e208fb647f3/image.png |
| 03:13:33 | <@JAA> | According to this, it very much isn't: http://weathermap.ovh.net/#strasbourg_core |
| 03:14:40 | <@JAA> | Interestingly, they still have traffic between SBG and Frankfurt though. lol |
| 03:14:52 | <Jake> | Don't worry, maintenance is planned! http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=49484& |
| 03:15:42 | <@JAA> | Of course, there's no such thing as unplanned downtime. :-) |
| 03:15:55 | <@kiska> | http://status.ovh.com/vms/index_sbg2.html :D |
| 03:17:52 | <@kiska> | https://twitter.com/ovh_status/status/1369473092754542596 > "We encounter an issue on strasbourg datacenter." :D :D :D :D |
| 03:19:27 | <@kiska> | OOF http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=49471 |
| 03:22:07 | <@kiska> | So did the fire extinguishers not go off? |
| 03:22:35 | <Jake> | seems like they didn't? or maybe it didn't work good enough? |
| 03:23:16 | <@JAA> | Sounds like it, yeah. |
| 03:23:49 | <ALTROSKY> | it's probably just 2 our of like 200 rooms that is lost |
| 03:23:57 | <ALTROSKY> | but they have to power everything off |
| 03:24:01 | <Jake> | "Firefighters were immediately on the scene but could not control the fire in SBG2." |
| 03:24:25 | <ALTROSKY> | it burned down then? :D |
| 03:25:58 | <@kiska> | Brings a new meaning to the thisisfine.png meme :D |
| 03:38:43 | <atphoenix> | and to think we were talking about backups *immediately* before this. |
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| 03:41:08 | <ALTROSKY> | a friend of mine received warnings about very bad io throughput on his SBG1 vps, probably because they were live migrating vps's from SBG2 as soon and as fast as possible. But then after a while they just shut down all off SBG as seen in the tweet |
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| 03:41:56 | <atphoenix> | are the various SBGs considered 1 datacenter, or 4? |
| 03:42:05 | <Jake> | "The rooms are also equipped with state of the art fire detection and extinction systems." - https://www.ovh.com/world/solutions/centres-de-donnees.xml |
| 03:42:55 | <ALTROSKY> | atphoenix: there are 4 |
| 03:43:02 | <atphoenix> | because if it is 4...it's not exactly geographically separated...MDHA fail. |
| 03:43:14 | <ALTROSKY> | but the 4 are like next to each other |
| 03:43:18 | <ALTROSKY> | on the same area at the port |
| 03:43:30 | <Jake> | and I think only one is on fire? They just shut off power to all 4 to ensure it doesn't spread I guess? |
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| 03:45:18 | <@JAA> | 'could not control the fire in SBG2' could mean 'it spread uncontrollably within SBG2' or 'it spread to the other buildings'. |
| 03:45:25 | <@JAA> | We'll just have to wait for more info. |
| 03:45:41 | <ALTROSKY> | yep |
| 03:46:12 | <ALTROSKY> | and due to curfew in france(not sure if it's in strasbourg) there isn't any press coverage or pictures |
| 03:46:41 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.58588/7.79732 |
| 03:46:56 | <@JAA> | It's basically one big building housing four DCs. |
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| 03:47:33 | <atphoenix> | Conspiracy: Obviously this is because of crypto price spikes. Mining caused increased crazy increases in power consumption, which overloaded the electrical system, or caused GPUs to thermally overload. |
| 03:47:46 | <@JAA> | ALTROSKY: Well, also because it's 04:47 here. |
| 03:47:50 | <atphoenix> | Tweet shows photo of the building complex: https://twitter.com/JoTreudler/status/1369484677615136772 |
| 03:47:56 | <ALTROSKY> | hence my curfew mention |
| 03:48:26 | <@JAA> | Yeah, but even without the curfew, journalists wouldn't exactly be racing to the scene. |
| 03:48:37 | <ALTROSKY> | who knows |
| 03:49:22 | <@hook54321> | guessing they'd probably just use stock images |
| 03:49:34 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: Yep. Far left is SBG4, the left big building is SBG3, the right big building is SBG2, and only partially visible on the right is SBG1. |
| 03:49:52 | <@JAA> | hook54321: They'd probably use thisisfine.png. :-) |
| 03:50:44 | <atphoenix> | the buildings look like a bunch of shipping containers stacked up....is it? |
| 03:51:00 | <@JAA> | SBG1 and SBG4 are, I believe, yeah. |
| 03:51:18 | <@JAA> | 2 and 3 are proper buildings though I think. |
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| 03:55:43 | <Jake> | This seemingly reliable site seems to say SBG4 is decommissioned(maybe in the process of being decommissioned?), with some more details on each and some pictures at the bottom. https://baxtel.com/data-center/ovh-strasbourg-campus |
| 04:00:22 | <@kiska> | Was the OVH guys doing this while live migrating https://twitter.com/Knightyyyy1/status/1369480245351510016 |
| 04:08:36 | <@JAA> | Where's the 4K live stream already? |
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| 04:25:36 | <Jake> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369504527544705025 |
| 04:28:59 | <@JAA> | Oof |
| 04:31:03 | <atphoenix> | so...I guess part of the cloud went up in smoke? A cloud of smoke? |
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| 05:10:01 | <@hook54321> | sigh https://twitter.com/KatsanosAlex/status/1369501497348812801 |
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| 05:10:47 | <@kiska> | I guess there was some sites in there that are now gone |
| 05:11:17 | <@hook54321> | rip |
| 05:12:18 | <@hook54321> | i guess if any are under cloudflare always online some might still be up? |
| 05:22:52 | <atphoenix> | Re: tweet above. A hard reminder that cloud=someone else's computer. cloud =/= magic |
| 05:24:50 | <@JAA> | Yep, and there's a lot of caching. |
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| 05:31:16 | <@kiska> | https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/7f05f725773a1779/image.png |
| 05:31:27 | <@kiska> | >https://status.us.ovhcloud.com/pages/59dd23da8827c804746f1664 |
| 06:36:18 | <Jake> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369535787570724864 |
| 06:39:01 | <@JAA> | Lots of people are talking about being unable to move the failover IPs to another DC. lol |
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| 06:41:52 | <Jake> | oh no that sucks! |
| 06:42:36 | <@JAA> | Yep |
| 06:59:48 | <Wayward> | How many people actually have a disaster recovery plan. "We don't have that kind of budget!" |
| 07:08:15 | <@kiska> | I suspect most of them are like minecraft kiddies |
| 07:08:31 | <@kiska> | Since OVH is quite cheap, if your on their cloud offerings |
| 07:09:40 | <@JAA> | Huh: https://twitter.com/hakusaro/status/1369526617442185216 |
| 07:15:06 | <@JAA> | Photo: https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/image/CB1JDh1kk52kpi5leWwBIrSKWAk/930x620//filters:format(webp)/regions/2021/03/10/60486896844aa_whatsapp_image_2021-03-10_at_07.32.26-5224392.jpeg |
| 07:15:15 | <Wayward> | Wasn't that series of tweets from some Microsoft employee? |
| 07:15:34 | <Jake> | oh wow that looks really bad.... |
| 07:15:44 | <Wayward> | "So where's the button to activate my DRP" |
| 07:15:52 | <@JAA> | Two more: https://twitter.com/Vova_Kuchkovski/status/1369546917642960896 |
| 07:16:48 | <Wayward> | Is that a building? Or a tower of computer racks ziptied together? |
| 07:17:31 | <@JAA> | Also a video, same angle though: https://twitter.com/abonin_DNA/status/1369538028243456000 |
| 07:19:10 | <Jake> | https://cdn.baxtel.com/data-center/ovh-strasbourg-campus/photos/flickity_display_OVH-Strasbourg-Campus-OVH-Strasbourg-Campus-showing-all-3-Buildings-2019.png middle is SBG2, which definitely seems to be the most burnt. |
| 07:19:40 | <@JAA> | Yep, plus some damage on the SBG1 containers. |
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| 07:20:36 | <@JAA> | SBG3 looks fine on these pictures, but that might not mean much. |
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| 07:21:00 | <@JAA> | In any case, yeah, SBG2 is gone. |
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| 07:21:46 | <Jake> | the second update seems to imply that SBG3 and 4 might be fine, https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369504527544705025 , mostly 1 and 2? |
| 07:21:53 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
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| 07:27:23 | <@JAA> | A whole lot of people are going to find out that backups in the same DC aren't proper backups. |
| 07:31:23 | <Jake> | A better picture of SBG2 :( https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/389729455486152704/photo/1 |
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| 07:46:23 | <@JAA> | Another video: https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1369552655278895106 |
| 07:51:21 | <@JAA> | Hah Marius: https://twitter.com/mgedmin/status/1369554904193396744 |
| 07:54:26 | <@JAA> | I wonder how many LowEndTalk hosts are impacted by this. :-) |
| 07:57:15 | <@JAA> | Heh https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwGgUbkWYAIAxBj?format=jpg&name=900x900 |
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| 08:07:42 | <@JAA> | Pictures of the fire: https://twitter.com/xgarreau/status/1369559995491172354 |
| 08:08:54 | <Jake> | Woah. |
| 08:16:57 | <@JAA> | Another one: https://korben.info/app/uploads/2021/03/incendie-scaled.jpg |
| 08:20:42 | <@JAA> | https://twitter.com/BobZeHareng/status/1369563084277374980 |
| 08:22:43 | <@JAA> | Looks like SBG3 is fine: https://twitter.com/ivancapecchi/status/1369563775368634368 |
| 08:37:30 | <@kiska> | JAA: All of them? |
| 08:38:30 | <@JAA> | kiska: Re SBG3? I mean, not sure, just basing it off the images I see, but it looks okay. Doesn't mean there was no smoke or water damage though. |
| 08:38:48 | <@kiska> | I expect tons of water ingestion + smoke |
| 08:39:01 | <@kiska> | But it looks relatively unscathed |
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| 08:39:16 | <@kiska> | Also I was referring to LET hosts :D |
| 08:39:21 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 08:39:42 | <@JAA> | Yeah, looks like the wind wasn't blowing directly at SBG3 at least. |
| 08:42:29 | <@kiska> | SBG1 though I expect some melted hdd's |
| 08:42:41 | <@kiska> | And SBG2 I expect 100% loss of systems |
| 08:42:44 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 08:42:58 | <@kiska> | But maybe they can pull something from the wreckage :D |
| 08:43:28 | <@kiska> | btw someone's server in SBG2: https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/fb9ea542120cd22e/image.png |
| 08:43:42 | <@kiska> | As you can see these machines did stay on for a while :D |
| 08:43:57 | <@kiska> | Probably not helping the fire situation with the fans now spinning at 100% |
| 08:44:15 | <@kiska> | It was probably detrimental actually fanning the flames :D |
| 08:44:59 | <@JAA> | F |
| 08:49:06 | <@kiska> | LOL https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3210937/#Comment_3210937 |
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| 09:00:26 | <@JAA> | lol https://twitter.com/Sensity_RP/status/1369496048998223873 |
| 09:01:52 | <@JAA> | Also, I had missed that, but apparently OVH is preparing the IPO since a few days ago. Nice timing... |
| 09:02:16 | <Jake> | oof horrible timing. |
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| 09:16:21 | <@kiska> | Oh yeah wonderful timing! |
| 09:17:25 | <@kiska> | What would be more is during the IPO |
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| 09:56:25 | <@JAA> | The UPS in SBG3 was still running until an hour ago, apparently? https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369576249161621504 |
| 09:59:13 | <Jake> | wow, kind of crazy that they didn't remotely shut those off? |
| 10:01:05 | <@JAA> | I guess the question is whether they couldn't shut them off, chose not to, or didn't have to. |
| 10:01:54 | <@JAA> | The last one would probably also mean that there was no (significant amount of) water in SBG3. |
| 10:15:30 | <Jake> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369592437585412097 |
| 10:22:35 | <@JAA> | Nice |
| 10:23:08 | <@JAA> | Another picture of SBG2 from the other side: https://twitter.com/NenaDarling/status/1369593813979852807 |
| 10:23:19 | <@JAA> | I don't know much about building stability, but the wall buckling out like that can't be good. |
| 10:29:46 | <Jake> | doesn't seem very safe. |
| 10:30:46 | <@JAA> | Maybe it's just the panelling, not the actual structure. |
| 10:31:23 | <@JAA> | The roof also looks slightly bent though. |
| 10:31:26 | <Jake> | That metal bar at the top doesn't look great either. |
| 10:36:33 | <@JAA> | Aerial pictures: https://twitter.com/sdis67/status/1369597903535304705 |
| 10:40:41 | <grawity> | is that SBG1 and SBG2 attached to each other, or something like that |
| 10:40:55 | <grawity> | I didn't quite understand whether all four of them were a single building or not |
| 10:41:28 | <@kiska> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369598998441558016 |
| 10:41:42 | <@JAA> | grawity: All four are basically connected. |
| 10:41:44 | <Jake> | They are all sort of connected to each other |
| 10:41:44 | <Jake> | yeah |
| 10:42:24 | <@JAA> | On https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwHJeqQWQAE_FR0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 : The smoking one is SBG2. The two piles of containers right of it are SBG1. |
| 10:42:56 | <@JAA> | The building left of SBG2 is SBG3, and the containers to the left of that are SBG4. |
| 10:44:36 | <@JAA> | Interview in French: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIrdC5pEk1s As I understand it, the design of the DC (the 'tower' which uses convection for cooling purposes) accelerated the spread of the fire massively. |
| 10:45:36 | <grawity> | ...oh, huh, SBG1 is literally a pile of shipping containers with an OVH logo on them? |
| 10:46:01 | <grawity> | didn't really expect that |
| 10:47:17 | <@JAA> | Yep, fast unplanned expansion. |
| 10:49:00 | <@JAA> | They had no space in RBX anymore I believe but were growing fast, and that was their solution to get additional capacity online. |
| 10:50:07 | <grawity> | but kinda makes sense that such arrangement could easily result in fast unplanned combustion |
| 10:50:55 | <grawity> | though maybe I'm just thinking of "licensed" "electricians" at $WORK here |
| 10:54:12 | <@JAA> | Just to be clear, it wasn't the containers that were put up in a few weeks' time that burst into flames but the properly built DC that was planned after that and only opened a few years later. |
| 10:54:47 | <grawity> | ah |
| 10:55:08 | <Jake> | 2016 with their new "Tower" design |
| 10:56:53 | <grawity> | right even though I've read https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369504527544705025 several times, I was *still* thinking it said "destroyed SBG1 and part of SBG2" and not the other way around |
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| 12:37:01 | <themadpro> | For some time now I have felt that being an archivist comes with its own vicious cycle https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UK9VeUa8/Archivist%20Calendar.png |
| 12:37:49 | <themadpro> | Every new year starts with some interesting projects, |
| 12:38:17 | <themadpro> | Then all but very few of those projects get side-tracked following shutdown announcements 'round summer (scheduled for the end of the year) |
| 12:39:01 | <themadpro> | This is then met with some response, perhaps more haphazard by the year |
| 12:40:28 | <themadpro> | Until finally we reach the end of the year, where libel around the shutdown peaks and the world is drawn into despair at the sight of ZOMG everything is dying |
| 12:40:47 | <themadpro> | To begin again anew on a hopeful note that "this year things might be different" |
| 12:46:57 | <AK> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369621032131264514 |
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| 12:49:04 | <icedice> | https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/fire-destroys-ovhclouds-sbg2-data-center-strasbourg/ |
| 12:49:11 | <icedice> | https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/1369478732247932929 |
| 12:50:54 | <@EggplantN> | fucking idiots at OVH |
| 12:51:11 | <@EggplantN> | they're hitting an issue they discovered in 2017 |
| 12:51:20 | <themadpro> | In 2017? |
| 12:51:33 | <themadpro> | You mean there was an incident like this before, 4 years ago? |
| 12:51:34 | <AK> | Fire and servers don't mix hehe |
| 12:51:58 | <AK> | "The Strasbourg data center has already had a serious problem. In 2017, a power outage shut down all data centers in the complex for a long time. The CEO of OVH described the incident as “the worst thing that could have happened to the company”." |
| 12:52:01 | <AK> | https://tnbarg.com/a-fire-destroyed-the-ovh-data-center-in-strasbourg-france/ |
| 12:52:20 | <icedice> | I guess that's the kind of emergency preparedness 3,99€/month buys you |
| 12:52:22 | <AK> | (Well, more specifically that Power issues seem to shut down their entire complex for a long time) |
| 12:57:43 | <themadpro> | You're laughing, their datacenter burned down and you're laughing. |
| 12:57:51 | | themadpro sighs |
| 12:58:28 | <themadpro> | Everyone's throwing stones at them instead of wishing condolences. |
| 12:58:37 | <themadpro> | Grow up, people! |
| 12:59:27 | <themadpro> | If you think you could run a better business without it (quite literally) burning down in flames, be my guest |
| 12:59:50 | <AK> | I'm not laughing at them at all |
| 13:00:18 | <AK> | But other companies can run data centers that don't completely die when some power is lost |
| 13:00:43 | <AK> | So they've got my condolences, but I'm waiting for the post mortem to see what went wrong, and what they did/didn't learn from 2017 |
| 13:04:02 | <icedice> | I'm not laughing either |
| 13:04:08 | <icedice> | It's horrible |
| 13:33:50 | <@kiska> | JAA: https://twitter.com/BarTPL/status/1369580887202013184 |
| 13:33:51 | <@kiska> | LOL |
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| 14:59:05 | <@kiska> | Hrm... I wonder... since OVH's NOC was trying to live migrate people to other DCs. And ALTROSKY said that people got poor io perf, would they got more VMs migrated if they just forced switch off everyone and migrate that way :D |
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| 16:42:21 | <atphoenix> | I hope that IA has a datacenter disaster recovery plan. |
| 17:05:33 | <@EggplantN> | just dont have a fire |
| 17:05:35 | <@EggplantN> | EZ |
| 17:08:41 | <SCSi> | heh |
| 17:09:10 | <Wayward> | fire extinguishers are nice to have. it ought to be criminal that exploding fire extinguisher balls aren't available on store shelves, just because they contain tiny amount of black powder. |
| 17:09:26 | <Wayward> | set it and forget it |
| 17:09:58 | <SCSi> | a binary compound that releases a ton of CO2 and napalm like extinguisher |
| 17:10:02 | <Wayward> | probably cheap to build yourself. |
| 17:10:06 | <SCSi> | but then you'd see people throwing them at pets like pokeballs |
| 17:10:30 | <@EggplantN> | honestly |
| 17:10:37 | <@EggplantN> | if i could buy one off the shelf |
| 17:10:48 | <@EggplantN> | it would be great fun when drunk and playing fire cricket in france |
| 17:10:54 | <Wayward> | SCSi, we used to prosecute people for committed crimes, and actually carry out punishments... instead of just saying "whoopsy doodle. we didn't take away freedoms hard enough." |
| 17:11:03 | <SCSi> | i know |
| 17:11:09 | <SCSi> | its retarded as hell |
| 17:11:37 | <SCSi> | do bad stuff, get a slap on the wrist |
| 17:11:49 | <SCSi> | any law abiding person does the same thing, 100 years punishment |
| 17:11:50 | <Wayward> | but even normal fire extinguishers. as an avid police scanner listen-toer, i can vouch that nobody but I own these devices. |
| 17:12:09 | <SCSi> | oh i own fire extinguishers at home |
| 17:12:10 | <SCSi> | and at work |
| 17:12:38 | <AK> | We don't have one here at home (UK) |
| 17:13:26 | <SCSi> | are you not trusted with them? |
| 17:13:29 | <Wayward> | 1 in each bedroom, 2 in the kitchen, living room, garage/workshop, and another one at each entrance/exit. in plain view, not hidden in cabinetry |
| 17:14:01 | <Wayward> | either 5 or 10 lb |
| 17:14:01 | <AK> | I don't think I've ever seen one at home, or know of anyone who has them here |
| 17:14:54 | <SCSi> | i want to get one for my truck |
| 17:14:59 | <SCSi> | like one that you mount under the drivers seat |
| 17:15:23 | <SCSi> | fires are one of those things that if they happen, you're sorta fucked |
| 17:15:29 | <Wayward> | oh yeah, and 2 in the car. under the driver seat and in the trunk. shake them every couple months because the powder sets and clumps like pancake batter. |
| 17:16:19 | <SCSi> | got a brand you really really like or had good luck with? |
| 17:16:37 | <SCSi> | we have General's here at the store, and the one time i used it.. it worked |
| 17:16:58 | <Wayward> | They're all the same. Except you ought to get ones with metal a metal handle, not a plastic handle. that's a 99% indicator that it uses a metal valve not a plastic valve. |
| 17:17:06 | <SCSi> | good to know |
| 17:17:24 | <Wayward> | let's see. First Alert, Badger, |
| 17:17:25 | <SCSi> | we also have a store account with the local extinguisher recharge place |
| 17:17:39 | <SCSi> | they top ours off every few years when the tag says its time to be looked at |
| 17:18:49 | <Wayward> | really, if they're shipped+sold by Amazon, and cost $65, then that's the one to get. |
| 17:19:09 | <Wayward> | or your local big box store |
| 17:20:54 | <Wayward> | I also pick them up in bulk whenever there's a commercial entity that gets rid of them all, because they're required to swap out extinguishers every 6 years, and usually pay $5 instead, then make sure everyone I know has one. |
| 17:21:32 | <SCSi> | oh good point |
| 17:21:53 | <SCSi> | yeah, fire extinguishers in home/car are really underappreciated |
| 17:21:56 | <SCSi> | until you need them |
| 17:22:02 | <Wayward> | I've used 3 |
| 17:22:10 | <Wayward> | (on other people) |
| 17:22:17 | <SCSi> | oh crap |
| 17:22:26 | <SCSi> | ive only used 1 on a car fire in the parking lot |
| 17:22:42 | <SCSi> | didnt really do much tbh |
| 17:22:43 | <Wayward> | 2 times from a catolitic dry grass/brush fire |
| 17:23:13 | <SCSi> | here in california they should be mandatory at all gender reveal parties |
| 17:23:20 | <SCSi> | cuz well, states on fire |
| 17:23:41 | <Wayward> | one dude in my old apt complex had an entire nest of leaves packed under his car that sat for months and months, and he decided to start it up one day and it caught fire |
| 17:25:11 | <Wayward> | i honestly can't understand or appreciate the whole gender reveal death toll thing. and i'm completely pro-pyromania |
| 17:25:20 | <SCSi> | oh i love fire and blowing shit up |
| 17:25:32 | <SCSi> | which is a bad thing to have when you reload ammo for a hobby |
| 17:25:33 | <Wayward> | the idiocy seems artificially extreme like it's all made up gas lighting |
| 17:25:56 | <Wayward> | but then i remember we also have a slew of deaths from tannerite and refrigerators |
| 17:26:17 | <SCSi> | oh, random unknown powder cuz i didnt write down what i put in the powder thrower? Come on kids! time to make a line and see what happens |
| 17:27:25 | <Wayward> | the closest i got to that was age ~12, i lit a random fuse in my hands i picked up from the ground of a parking lot. instead of 10 seconds a foot, it was 0.01 seconds a foot |
| 17:27:40 | <Wayward> | got a nice scorchy |
| 17:28:13 | <Wayward> | mostly likely fell out of the sky from some mortor display |
| 17:29:41 | <SCSi> | ive only shot tannerite once |
| 17:29:45 | <SCSi> | cuz its illegal in cali |
| 17:29:53 | <SCSi> | it was.... anticlimatic |
| 17:30:31 | <Wayward> | seems overpriced. they sell or award it as a door price at our gun gun shows (as recently as 3 years ago) |
| 17:30:48 | <Wayward> | i wouldn't throw money at it |
| 17:31:07 | <atphoenix> | Furniture causes more deaths than terrorism. So why do we have the TSA again? |
| 17:31:44 | <Wayward> | atphoenix: human nature desires oppressive security blankets to feel warm and cozy. |
| 17:32:03 | <atphoenix> | TSA = Security Theater |
| 17:32:06 | <SCSi> | well yeah |
| 17:32:19 | <SCSi> | because americans have a bad habit of 'my security is someone elses problem' |
| 17:32:27 | <SCSi> | 'oh we have TSA' |
| 17:32:30 | <SCSi> | 'oh we have the police' |
| 17:32:41 | <SCSi> | like, ive been in 4 armed robberies, 2 of which were gunfights |
| 17:32:52 | <SCSi> | police are there to throw someone in jail |
| 17:32:52 | <atphoenix> | I have fire extinguishers. Not as many as Wayward I guess. But some. Where do you find those bulk discounted sales? |
| 17:33:39 | <Wayward> | atphoenix: when we had open air flea markets. hopefully they come back. |
| 17:35:26 | <Wayward> | the kind where there are 20 tow trailers with crap from storage lockers |
| 17:35:29 | <atphoenix> | if a building has a working sprinkler system, I guess an extinguisher is less important. US also has a lot of wood buildings (5+ story too). |
| 17:38:31 | <SCSi> | well |
| 17:38:45 | <SCSi> | sprinklers have a lot of colleratal damage |
| 17:38:52 | <atphoenix> | I haven't been to a flea market in years. |
| 17:39:10 | <SCSi> | you dont want a fire to get out of hand to set the sprinklers off |
| 17:39:23 | <atphoenix> | Fires = more damage. I'd rather my stuff be wet than ash. |
| 17:39:42 | <SCSi> | but an extinguisher can eliminate the threat before it gets out of hand |
| 17:39:46 | <Wayward> | i used to have them just 2 streets down from me in an open lot, so I'd just wander there every friday morning. |
| 17:39:47 | <atphoenix> | and firefighter hoses mean a hell of a lot more water than sprinklers |
| 17:40:05 | <SCSi> | once it gets out of hand, or you find it in a state where you cant take it out with a FE, then sprinklers work well |
| 17:40:10 | <atphoenix> | layers of defense are good |
| 17:40:13 | <SCSi> | yes |
| 17:40:46 | <SCSi> | grease fires are like the bane of the uneducated |
| 17:41:07 | <SCSi> | fire = water |
| 17:41:09 | <SCSi> | nope |
| 17:41:27 | <atphoenix> | grease fire + water = spread fire! |
| 17:41:53 | <Wayward> | SCSi, this wasn't the first time either, but just a couple weeks ago I listened as my fire dept dispatched a call for "owner says it's just a small fire and he thinks he got it out, but he wants fire to give him assistance." |
| 17:42:27 | <Wayward> | within 5 minutes, police arrived on scene first and said the house was already half engulfed, and spread to the garage and the car was starting to catch |
| 17:42:44 | <Wayward> | and the dude was filling a bucket of water from his tub |
| 17:43:30 | <Wayward> | it was a proper house even and not one of those trailer homes constructed out of gas-soaked fireworks. |
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| 17:45:18 | <SCSi> | 'smol fire' |
| 17:45:26 | <SCSi> | half of house is up |
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| 17:46:00 | <Wayward> | the main cause of house fires here are people with wood stoves who burn their garbage, mostly trailer homes on the outskirts |
| 17:46:11 | <Wayward> | but also crack spoons are popular |
| 17:48:13 | <SCSi> | and meth houses |
| 17:48:30 | <SCSi> | always tell winters coming when the meth houses start exploding |
| 17:49:01 | <SCSi> | when you're doing science kids on your stove, dont keep the windows closed |
| 17:49:31 | <SCSi> | of course now they can make meth in a 2L bottle |
| 17:50:00 | <SCSi> | if we had crackheads work R&D for drug companies we can cure cancer |
| 17:51:08 | <Wayward> | what does 2L meth look like? |
| 17:51:21 | <Wayward> | and is this why I can't buy iodine anymore |
| 17:51:26 | <SCSi> | yup |
| 17:51:30 | <Wayward> | fuckers |
| 17:51:36 | <SCSi> | and you gotta sign a book for sudafed |
| 17:51:58 | <Wayward> | never used it. but i likes a good iodine tincture for cat scratch fever |
| 17:52:02 | <SCSi> | fda really screwed the pooch by taking phenylpropanolamine off the market |
| 17:52:32 | <SCSi> | if you read the report that PPA causes strokes, it was caused primarily in females from ages of 18-49 |
| 17:52:46 | <SCSi> | maybe because they were OD'ing on it to lose weight |
| 17:52:51 | <Wayward> | think i'll start manufacturing my own mercurochrome |
| 17:52:59 | <SCSi> | ooooo i remember mercurochrome |
| 17:53:05 | <SCSi> | we have some patients still ask for it |
| 17:53:31 | <Wayward> | buy a plane ticket to one of the far flung countries that still have the legitimate stuff |
| 17:53:45 | <SCSi> | MERBROMIN |
| 17:53:48 | <SCSi> | good shit |
| 17:56:17 | <SCSi> | problem is that people would put it on large areas of body |
| 17:56:20 | <SCSi> | like big burn areas |
| 17:56:28 | <SCSi> | which must have stung like a mofo |
| 18:31:59 | <atphoenix> | Dad put mecurichrome on my cuts when I was small. I guess I survived. Though any reports from those who survived are subject to 'survivor bias'. |
| 18:33:10 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: IA has a complete mirror on the other side of the Bay. They've switched to it before I believe. But if the Big One hits, they're fucked. |
| 18:35:23 | <atphoenix> | Past time for SSD prices to fall a lot. And physical space densities are amazing. They're also vibration resistant so less worry about a quake. :) |
| 18:35:55 | <atphoenix> | so IA's main geographical risk would be quake and Pacific tsunami |
| 18:36:07 | <@JAA> | Yeah, no need to worry about a head crash as the entire infrastructure around you crumbles. :-) |
| 18:38:23 | <atphoenix> | I suspect that SSDs have a better chance of surviving a building collapse than HDDs. Fire though is bad news any way you look at it. |
| 18:41:05 | <@JAA> | kiska: Yeah, I saw that tweet as well. *facepalm* |
| 18:45:41 | <Wayward> | upload IA to github so it finds its way into the nordic time vault |
| 18:47:24 | <Wayward> | So, I guess Roblox IPO'd (RBLX) and it's on its way to the moon for some reason. |
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| 19:40:40 | <@JAA> | Oh nice, looks like Hetzner's SX series has 16 TB HDDs now. Prices are still the same. |
| 19:41:08 | <@JAA> | Introduced almost two months ago, but I somehow missed it. |
| 19:42:16 | <@Kaz> | aye, we had some excitement at the time |
| 19:42:24 | <@Kaz> | HCross has a couple iirc |
| 19:43:02 | <@HCross> | Yeah |
| 19:43:07 | <@HCross> | I’m a bit meh on them though |
| 19:43:16 | <@JAA> | How come? |
| 19:43:22 | <@HCross> | You’re hitting the threshold where it’s easy to saturate the gig nic |
| 19:43:33 | <@JAA> | Right |
| 19:43:41 | <@HCross> | And rebuild times etc are higher |
| 19:44:09 | <@JAA> | Yeah, of course. |
| 19:46:06 | <@JAA> | Roughly two weeks to fill an SX133 at 1 Gb/s. Eek |
| 19:47:22 | <thuban> | ^ reproductive-age women really do have elevated stroke risk. estrogen is a cruel mistress |
| 19:47:36 | <Wayward> | 125 MB/s? seems slow |
| 19:49:51 | <@JAA> | Also means that some of the 10 TB servers are hitting Serverbörse now though. :-) |
| 19:58:35 | <@Kaz> | i mean hey, you can always buy a 10g nic for it |
| 20:03:02 | <Wayward> | is there such a thing as bonded ethernet so you can run the same connection split over 8 cables |
| 20:04:21 | <Wayward> | maybe two 24 port switches connect to each other |
| 20:06:12 | <@Kaz> | it exists yes |
| 20:07:01 | <atphoenix> | Wayward, yes, I've seen blog entries about people doing connection bonding in home labs |
| 20:07:25 | <Wayward> | is it pretty out of reach? |
| 20:09:46 | <@JAA> | It's called link aggregation and is fairly well-supported I believe. |
| 20:10:56 | <Wayward> | ++ |
| 20:13:33 | <atphoenix> | you can use search terms such as ethernet bonding/NIC aggregation/NIC teaming to find articles for doing it on Linux and Windows |
| 20:15:17 | <Wayward> | aye, link aggregation returns a bunch |
| 20:16:51 | <@Kaz> | just buy a 10g nic |
| 20:16:53 | <@Kaz> | ezpz |
| 20:17:49 | <Wayward> | doesn't look as cool as a bundle of 24 cat6 cables running down the hallway all belted together |
| 20:23:11 | <atphoenix> | strictly speaking, the network switch you use could limit performance, if it can't handle said amount of simultaneous traffic. I mean the switch could have 24x 1 Gbps ports, but internally due to a design bottleneck only be able to handle 12 Gbps of traffic moving between the ports not 24 Gbps. I remember seeing some gear literature that implied that other devices like that existed. A scenario for that could be what is externally a |
| 20:23:12 | <atphoenix> | 24 port switch that internally is really two 13 port switches with say an internal link (that is <12 Gbps) between the two halves. |
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| 20:24:56 | <Wayward> | i figure that's the default scenario until you get into pricy equipment. |
| 20:33:34 | <atphoenix> | Paralleling connections is reasonable up to some limit where the extra hardware required either is more expensive than simply using inherently faster NICs and/or you run out of expansion slots on either end and/or run out of cables between the ends. Also the configuration complexity is a factor. Parallel connections can give you failover benefits. |
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| 21:17:41 | <@HCross> | But unfortunately you may not get the full performance of all of the links because you have to lose some performance hashing |
| 21:41:24 | <Wayward> | HCross, no such thing as splitting 16 bits across 16 lines without extra coordination? |
| 21:42:16 | <@JAA> | More pictures from last night: https://www.facebook.com/Feuerwehr.Kehl/photos/4541678449181407/?type=3&theater |
| 21:47:26 | <Wayward> | https://youtu.be/iCRJSJPYy2A || https://youtu.be/4ixGPLSZasA |
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| 21:50:05 | <@JAA> | I don't know why you keep talking about those balls. |
| 21:53:44 | <atphoenix> | balls? I never heard of fire extinguisher balls before this conversation |
| 22:31:20 | <SCSi> | my wife gets hot, she sees my balls, fire goes out |
| 22:31:25 | <SCSi> | every married guy has them |
| 22:31:26 | <SCSi> | hahahaha |
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