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00:35:17<AltroskyAS207616_Mystique>can't see, their site blocks "proxies"
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01:46:26<Wayward>I don't suppose someone here skilled in the craft of Chrome Extensions could make two minor changes to an existing extension for me, to superpower my page scraping abilities?
01:48:25<Wayward>https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-scraper-free-web-scra/jnhgnonknehpejjnehehllkliplmbmhn
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02:52:02<Wayward>https://www.imdb.com/ returns HTTP 503 Service Unavailable
02:55:21<atphoenix>TX is under stress https://poweroutage.us/ and https://twitter.com/PowerOutage_us/status/1361493394070118402 Network connectivity is failing in places too
03:02:06<Wayward>Still over a million homes without power as temps continue to plummet to mid-low teens tonight, with residents unable to keep from freezing to death.
03:05:00<atphoenix>An electric power outage usually means the heat is out too. Extended outage also means the water will stop. I suppose the citrus in TX may not like this either.
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03:05:32<Wayward>apparently pipes are already bursting left right and center
03:05:51<Wayward>Power's been out for 12 hours?
03:06:36<Wayward>High temp of 22 in Houston this afternoon
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03:14:28<Wayward>https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1734970/power-outage-map-texas.png?w=790&f=ad771e56c02ef6728117436979f6c86a
03:15:07<Wayward>https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=29.759&lon=-95.368
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03:30:12<@kiska>This feels like the south Australian 2016 black system
03:31:06<@kiska>Has no one learned from that incident?
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03:34:33<Wayward>The U.S. has two major blackouts, 1965 and 2003, that shut down everything East of Chicago and allowed people to see the Milky Way for the first time in their lives (prompting 9-1-1 calls).
03:34:57<Wayward>The latter one resulted in huge changes to the U.S. power grid.
03:35:18<atphoenix>Newsweek png looks like a map from http://poweroutage.us/
03:36:04<atphoenix>I wish the US had a stronger appreciation for dark skies
03:36:31<Wayward>same.
03:38:22<atphoenix>It saddens me to see formerly dark rural areas lose their stars. Lighting fixtures with proper cutoff valences do work, but too many fixtures continue to be installed without them. In some ways it is a classic tragedy of the commons.
03:38:39<Wayward>All outdoor lighting should be shut off at 10 PM Saturday evening and not return until Monday. Hefty fines for any glimmer of light visible outdoors. Vote for me.
03:39:42<Wayward>Only vehicular headlights and personal hand torches permitted.
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03:43:52<Wayward>dang, the outage looks worse now (poweroutage.us) than from the newsweek snapshot
03:44:44<Wayward>suggesting 4.3 million without power right now
03:47:03<@JAA>There's already a major party that wants to move back preferably to the 1850s. You should find lots of proponents for that idea there. ;-)
03:51:40<atphoenix>ehh... I sense significant sarcasm there, as dark skies requires a different appreciation than simply returning to the 1850s or 1950s
03:51:56<atphoenix>anyhow, lots of info on the IDSA site. and subpages like https://www.darksky.org/light-pollution/
03:52:10<atphoenix>I bet TX is seeing darker skies than usual
03:54:46<@kiska>@ayaw
03:54:48<@kiska>Argh
03:54:51<atphoenix>I'm not opposed to outdoor lighting that doesn't spill all over the place. I'm ok with it staying on all night too. But I don't want my neighbors or the street lights to blast light in my windows all night.
03:55:08<@kiska>Wayward: Lemme go get a pwnagotchi :D
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03:55:44<@kiska>And sit the thing next to a starlink AP :D
03:56:46Wayward builds a 10 watt bluray laser and starts destrying outdoor lamps
04:01:24<@kiska>*looks at list* https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/39360ae98ee211dc/image.png
04:01:33<@kiska>Jesus how many providers do you have?!
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04:05:10<atphoenix>kiska, I think many states are like that. Many small, each covers a few counties.
04:06:28<@kiska>....
04:06:45<@kiska>I think I prefer the Australian approach to this....
04:07:12<@kiska>Here is NSW: https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/74e37c3e496052ae/image.png
04:07:26<@kiska>The distributors, there are 4 in the STATE
04:10:11<atphoenix>in the US many rural areas are served by cooperatives. One of the groups of coops is https://www.touchstoneenergy.com/ which have partners in many states
04:10:49<atphoenix>there are also large investor-owned utilities like Xcel Energy
04:12:03<atphoenix>The major population centers are more likely to be covered by the investor owned utilities. Rural areas by coops.
04:13:22<atphoenix>some cities have their own city-owned utilities
04:13:35<@kiska>-_-
04:16:51<Wayward>Doesn't Illinois have exactly 1 provider? Com Ed
04:17:18<Wayward>and like 13 nuclear power plants
04:19:32<Wayward>naa, i guess they even have tiny mom & pop providers
04:21:43<flashfire42>Frankston family's Energy. Proudly owned by the frankston family since 1923
04:21:59<flashfire42>What the fuck would a mum and pop provider even be for energy?
04:22:22<flashfire42>We have little jimmy here every day peddle really really quickly to generate kinetic energy to fuel your home
04:23:12<Wayward>probably just buying bulk energy and providing the transmission lines and maint.
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04:25:57<Wayward>My Co-op fixes outages usually within the hour, 2 or 3 hours at most. Just across the county line, the prevailing power company often takes 8 hours to 3 or 4 days.
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04:27:00<atphoenix>TX is also unique in that they have a deregulated electricity market. So you can buy your kWh from the provider of your choice. https://comparepower.com/electricity-rates/texas/
04:29:19<Wayward>Then you go to Oklahoma where they count your solar panels from satellite imagry and the power company sends you a bill for service fees so the grid doesn't collapse under mass exodus. You can never truly go "off grid."
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04:42:48<atphoenix>"grid access" fees are common in electric coop territories, if you're connected. I have heard some areas also have "grid disconnect" fees. So much for much touted 'free market'.
04:43:28<atphoenix>Wayward, do you have a citation for satellite imagery actually being used for that purpose?
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04:54:41<Wayward>I can't. But it seems that Stanford doubled down and mapped every solar panel in the U.S. in 2018 and created a free open database and interactive map.
04:54:58<Wayward>http://web.stanford.edu/group/deepsolar/home
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05:00:30<Wayward>Here they're working to locate unregistered PV panels (ie, in Germany where they have a state registry), https://www.climatechange.ai/papers/neurips2020/46/paper.pdf
05:05:05<atphoenix>interesting sites
05:08:16<atphoenix>Some bureaucrat probably thinks this is a good way to figure out who to tax more for 'collecting untaxed sunlight'. Next up: taxing the air we breathe.
05:09:17<atphoenix>Oh right, Oxygen Bars are already a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_bar
05:11:42<Wayward>Rainbarrel syndrome
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05:29:10<atphoenix>Maybe we should just go back to the 1850s afterall? Railroads and steam engines were enough technology, right? Humans would have a chance to then develop real steampunk computers.
05:31:07<atphoenix>Wayward, on the laser: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Genius
05:31:58<Wayward>:)
05:34:02<Doranwen>the ending to that movie is hilarious
05:34:43<Doranwen>one of those very bizarre-out-of-context sorts
05:35:25<Wayward>I don't actually have to build one, just buy one. https://www.sanwulasers.com/product/7wblue
05:35:44<Wayward>solid site, good guys.
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09:59:24<Wayward>power outages aside, some Texas customers received a notice that their next power bill will be billed at a rate 35x higher than last month due to demand and fuel shortages
09:59:42<Wayward>shooting up from 25c per kW/h to $9 per kW/h
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13:25:42<@Kaz>AltroskyAS207616_Mystique: pls change nick
13:26:04<@Kaz>half of my screen is just buffer space to fit your nick without wrapping it onto a new line
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14:15:13<Wayward>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Move_Archiveteam_to_Hackint#In_Favor_of_Staying_at_EFNet
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14:48:02<@Kaz>Wayward: multiple ways to solve a problem I guess
14:48:18<@Kaz>;)
14:48:56<Wayward>Google just did the strangest thing and demoted the "search for anything from the address bar omnibox" ''keyword search'' feature, by requiring a user to mouse-click a button insted of just typing the keyword and hitting space to proceed with their search terms.
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14:49:12<Wayward>You have to go into hidden advanced settings to put it back to the way it was
14:50:02<Wayward>https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/lilkij/custom_automatic_searches_not_working/
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17:09:51<atphoenix>Google breaking user space again
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17:53:24<@JAA>And because people keep using their products anyway, they'll keep doing it.
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20:48:23<Sylirana>AlsoHP_Archivist: They're in some cases a bit too honest in the eyes of LEGO. There are some products you can buy in their store, but he will tell you that it's ridiculously overpriced currently and you should better wait for prices to come down.
20:49:36<Sylirana>At this point, I think most of the products in the store have been replaced with competitors such as COBI and others.
20:50:07<AlsoHP_Archivist>I guess there's a fine line between undercutting a company's motives and giving honest reviews. Personally, I think anything that is 'public' is fair game for criticism. But free speech seem to be the ever-defining issue of our era
20:50:37<Sylirana>And about the fair use part, LEGO just did whatever they could to try and hurt him. Which only increased his popularity and made LEGO lose some of its reputation...
20:51:51<Sylirana>The most recent example was him calling a competitor's brick "LEGO" on accident, as many people do since "LEGO" is arguably more than just a brand name but has gotten into regular use somewhat.
20:51:58<AlsoHP_Archivist>I fall in the camp or philosophy that if you're reasonably well-intended (and we can have a debate on what that definition is and how it changes over time) that one should be able to post review/talks about just about anything, positive, negative or otherwise
20:52:29<AlsoHP_Archivist>Yeah, I know what you mean. There's a term for that, like a placeholder or something yes
20:53:29<AlsoHP_Archivist>LEGO is, after all, a private company. So there's that. At the same time, I'm not about anti-consumer practices just to keep their bottom line going.
20:53:42<AlsoHP_Archivist>Anyway, should probably save as much as we can for the future
20:54:36<Sylirana>KanzleiWBS actually made a video about that and while LEGO does have to right to defend confusion about her brand, at this point, it's used so commonly that if it did getto court, they might lose their exclusive rights to "LEGO". This happened some other brands in the past afaik, such as "Tempo" and others...
20:54:47<Sylirana>*the right
20:54:53<Sylirana>*get to
20:55:06<Sylirana>*to some
20:55:15<Sylirana>What is happening with my typing...?
20:56:07<AlsoHP_Archivist>I feel like this convo is a topic that Tom Scott would cover on his channel heh ^
20:56:46<AlsoHP_Archivist>In the same ballpark/bevvy of issues with the platform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-x8DYTOv7w
20:56:59<AlsoHP_Archivist>And this 'new world' we find ourselves in...
20:58:31<Sylirana>One of my personal favs is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU . This is something I've been trying to explain to others for a while before that video was released. Now I can just send a link. :D
20:59:27<AlsoHP_Archivist>Oh yeah, I've rewatched this one, twice actually. It's a damn good explanation of how and what exactly is broken
21:00:19<AlsoHP_Archivist>I say this a lot, but it comes down to one thing: Vote. Just vote. Vote for politicians who are willing to table new legislative change for copyright *shrugs* it's single thing we can do to affect copyright changes and have it catch up with our technology.
21:04:58<AlsoHP_Archivist>...Guess I should also add that, as we look around right now, there are probably only a few politicians who might table this as an important issue on a ballot. Yang, Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez. Not sure who else. And these people haven't even talked about copyright all that much either. Since the dawn of web access, copyright has been dead. It's been dead for 25 years.
21:06:00<AlsoHP_Archivist>Anyway, nice chatting with you Sylirana
21:06:01<Sylirana>Well, looking at things like Article 17, it seems to be going in the other direction... Which also comes with some side effects such as smaller platforms simply not being able to comply with the new requirements. And when you even see YouTube as a platform trying to stop this and they don't listen, it's just sad... If you think about it, while this is a challenge for YT, it is something that Google could probably manage, but smaller
21:06:01<Sylirana>sites don't have the resources for that. Google could've just gone with it and looked at other platforms getting either shut down or blocked, but even they saw that this will have such massive effects on everyone. Platforms but also creators and even the viewers.
21:07:15<Sylirana>Nice chatting with you as well. :-)
21:07:31<AlsoHP_Archivist>Yeah, I agree. It seems we're going in a temporary reverse. I think this is to be expected, the last battle cry before major changes come down the pipeline that just shakes it all up even further.
21:07:47<AlsoHP_Archivist>Any time!
21:08:36<Sylirana>Only time will tell how this plays out, I guess... Maybe this will push more users towards TOR, up to a point where sites that block TOR users will lose significant amounts of traffic. Who knows? There are could be some positive possible outcomes here...
21:09:03<Sylirana>*-are
21:23:42<Wayward>Are there numerous sites [still] down owking to the Texas power outages, or is IMDb just a strange case?
21:34:41<Wayward>(btw, anyone hungry for knock-off lego, these are amazing, and proof that LEGO(tm) is a vicious scam. https://amzn.com/B07GC381XF/)
21:52:05<atphoenix>I'd say calling LEGO a scam is overstating things, BUT I will criticize LEGO for it's anti-creator/anti-brickgeek actions going back to the early Internet/web.
21:52:17<atphoenix>r/it's/its
21:53:15<atphoenix>they shouldn't be pushing people around who love the products
21:56:04<Wayward>It's just that the afformentioned product costs only $28 and is indistinguishable from $300 worth of LEGO brand bricks
21:56:12<atphoenix>I'm guessing they don't like https://brikwars.com/
21:57:01<atphoenix>cost of product =/= value of product
21:57:12<Wayward>they're molecularly identical
21:57:39<Wayward>perfectly compatable
21:58:13<Wayward>The only reason LEGO costs so much is broken/abused IP law
21:59:19<Sylirana>And gradually raising prices for new sets over the course of years, hoping people won't notice.
21:59:28<atphoenix>I'd consider quality control, manufacturing tolerances, factory locations, to be in LEGO's favor. LEGO's abuse of takedown and strong-arming little guys leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
21:59:54<Wayward>factory locations?
21:59:59<Wayward>are they made in the U.S.?
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22:00:29<atphoenix>not everyone wants to buy 'Made in China'.
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22:00:39<Sylirana>There's a large competitor which produces everything in Europe or even just EU afaik.
22:01:12<Wayward>LEGO is made in Czech and China, so
22:02:08<atphoenix>LEGO was originally only made in Denmark. IDK about now.
22:02:39<atphoenix>https://www.catawiki.com/stories/4631-lego-trivia-where-are-your-lego-sets-actually-made says three main factories: Billund in Denmark, Nyíregyháza in Hungary, and Monterrey in Mexico.
22:03:10<Wayward>And it's weird that LEGO refuses to sell "brick kits" like they used to. you're always left wanting for more bricks.
22:04:01<Wayward>I'm pretty sure brick & mortor toy stores have some sort of treaties between all the big toy companies to not sell off-brand LEGO
22:04:43<Sylirana>https://www.lego.com/en-us/lego-history/returning-to-asia-the-lego-factory-in-jiaxing-china-f1c4cf7e68044af59181399969aa191d
22:06:22<atphoenix>rebuildable brick kits with mostly generic pieces are what made LEGO be LEGO. The custom nonreusable pieces are stupid.
22:06:53<atphoenix>LEGO has been trying to turn itself into action-figure like toys for years, and it shows.
22:08:13<Wayward>btw, I bought that afformentioned $28 brick kit to build two rack units for my USB 2.5" harddrives, and still have bricks left over for a third one.
22:08:36<Wayward>Keeps 12 drives all standing secured and not sliding around, toppling over
22:11:19<Sylirana>It's a shame because LEGO could just listen to what consumers want, but they are being ignored. While competitors have even released updated versions of their sets incorporating those exact suggestions.
22:17:43<atphoenix>bulk bricks can be purchased at flagship Lego stores in top malls, but that doesn't address general availability or pricing which is roughly $0.10/piece
22:18:19<atphoenix>Wayward, can you share a pic of the drive racks?
22:19:19<Sylirana>Reminds me of that: https://scr.wfcdn.de/7913/Supercomputer-aus-64-Raspberry-Pi-Einheiten-1347531693-0-0.jpg .
22:21:49<atphoenix>Sylirana, nice.
22:23:10<atphoenix>hmmm... https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=78205 Building a 12 HDD Raid Enclosure with LEGO
22:23:16<atphoenix>from 2011 with 3.5" drives
22:23:21<atphoenix>and the photos are alive!
22:23:30<Sylirana>For individual bricks, there are sites like: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogTree.asp?itemType=P .
22:26:32<Sylirana>https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=3005#T=S&O={%22iconly%22:0} and https://www.lego.com/en-us/page/static/Pick-a-Brick?query=1x1&page=1 .
22:26:42<atphoenix>similar, but a tower rack using Knex: https://www.nitro404.com/diy/knex_hdd_rack.php quite a few things can be found using search term 'lego drive rack'. Such as the LEGO server https://www.totalgeekdom.com/?page_id=3467
22:26:45<Sylirana>For a simple comparison.
22:28:26<Sylirana>Makes me wonder how well PLA (for 3D-printing) would for for those applications... My main concern would be temperature.
22:28:43<Sylirana>*would work
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23:30:21<Wayward>atphoenix: i'd only taken a picture of the one. explained: the slots are full length of the drives, forming a lego stairs diagonal slope. https://i.imgur.com/5q3Ccco.jpg
23:32:18<Wayward>another one on the bookshelf
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