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00:05:44<StarletCharlotte>@nicolas17: Fair enough.
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00:44:03<StarletCharlotte>For a while, I've seen people speculate that IA's file archive (in contrast to the Wayback Machine) is likely on borrowed time and could very well collapse at some point due to lawsuits or something. If that happens... What do we do? How do we prevent that? How do we back it all up? How do we make more stable room for services like IA's virtual library, that aren't just at the mercy of the legal teams of
00:44:03<StarletCharlotte>various large companies who could probably come up with a case to forcibly take it down whenever, or lobby their way into getting it taken down...
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01:13:37<Flashfire42>lmao um IA.BAK was an idea but novody has the sheer money for a backup of IA
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01:52:21<lennier2_>IA should be reasonably protected by the DMCA safe harbor provisions, to the extent it's users uploading the files without their direct involvement. They already comply with takedown requests for both archived files and the Wayback Machine. (Contrast that with the Open Library where IA themselves were scanning and loaning copyrighted books.) As for a backup in case something gets taken down, yeah, that's a lot of disk
01:52:21<lennier2_>space.
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02:20:18<StarletCharlotte>@lennier2_ I'd hope so, but I'd be worried about relying on it.
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02:58:53<imer>the main issue is scale here, no one individual or group of volunteers is going to be able to tackle that amount of data. personal archives of stuff that is valuable to you is the way I guess
03:00:35<imer>there's no good answer unless you have millions to spend on hardware, a place to put it all and staff to tend to it (or cloud storage, but that's gonna be worse likely)
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03:02:26<youbanana>Are you guys planning to temporarily open up the fortress of solitude? Almost all archivebot pipelines are full
03:04:43<@JAA>No
03:05:28<youbanana>are you just going to let all of the pipelines fill until IA is fully online?
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03:41:35<TheTechRobo>Pretty sure FOS has been offline for months.
03:43:19<@JAA>It hasn't. But it's tiny. AB would fill it in a day or two.
03:43:49<TheTechRobo>Isn't it on IA's network anyway?
03:44:22<TheTechRobo>Or is it not affected?
03:44:52<@JAA>-ish, I think there's some segmentation from the main network. It's up anyway.
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03:52:38<StarletCharlotte>Antiquated mobile app distribution site that, while still somewhat active, is liable to go down at any time due to its age and concept being behind the times. https://www.mobyware.org/
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03:53:32<StarletCharlotte>Has a lot of stuff for mobile platforms that just... Don't exist anymore.
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05:08:58<youbanana>i counted up how much space you have minus the 5 gigabyte limit and you guys have around 8.5 terabytes left before its all full
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05:10:50<pokechu22>That number's wrong since multiple pipelines share disk space and others are dead/unavailable (e.g. kat, waterpipe). The only space left is actually ~100 GiB on daguerreo. ~25 GiB on jap-puaiohi, and 1.23 TiB on firepipe (but firepipe could disappear at any time)
05:18:56<pabs>https://old.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1g6y1l5/codeprojectcom_is_no_more/
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07:21:43<eggdrop>[remind] OrIdow6: niconino\]
07:25:42<@OrIdow6>!remindme 1d niconino\]
07:25:43<eggdrop>[remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-10-21T07:25:42Z
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13:11:11<h2ibot>Bzc6p edited Volán (+37, /* Centralization, round 1 */ another website…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53612&oldid=53340
13:12:27<c3manu>!tell StarletCharlotte you might be aware of this already, but there has been a project 'IA.BAK' until a few years back. the post mortem is pretty brief, but might still be insightful: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK
13:12:27<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell StarletCharlotte when they join next
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14:23:41<nstrom|m>Oh sweet we had enough target uptime to drain my servers, I can spin down some cloud ones now
14:24:17<nstrom|m>Probably old news but I wasn't paying close attention while things were stalled
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15:13:58<@rewby>Things are still sort of stalled. I'm working on some stuff.
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16:54:36<thuban>hey OrIdow6, i see you wrote most of the framasoft wiki page:
16:54:45<thuban>- there are a handful of services mentioned in the cited blog post/roadmap as possibly shutting down in future which are in fact still alive, with no apparent restrictions or shutdown date; do we want to list those preeemptively?
16:54:51<thuban>- did we manage to save framemo or framaslides (or framasphère, the only service not listed which is afaict dead)?
16:58:20<thuban>- do you have a source for the shutdown dates? i can't find one and what's given doesn't seem to match what's in the wbm
16:59:10<thuban>oh nvm, looks like it was pushed back a bit
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20:42:36<@OrIdow6>thuban: Doesn't look like framamemo or framaslides were saved
20:42:58<@OrIdow6>In this channel I mention that framamemo used session IDs and websocket so I guess that was a disincentive
20:43:04<@OrIdow6>Don't know about Framaslides
20:44:17<@OrIdow6>It may have been a situation of not discovering anything that wasn't already in the WBM, but that's just a guess
20:46:52<@OrIdow6>Well, not just a guess, it lingers at the back of my memory
20:47:00<thuban>thanks. any idea about framasphère?
20:47:02<thuban>logs mention a #framasoft channel but i wasn't there / don't have logs
20:47:44<thuban>ah no, that's their channel, not an at channel
20:49:50<@OrIdow6>I did join their channel but only briefly, where someone said they "don't think so" in response to whether there was a list of -site and -wiki subdomains
20:50:55<@OrIdow6>No idea about Framaspère
20:51:34<thuban>looks from the logs like that's a no, then
20:52:04<@OrIdow6>I do remember discovery as being a major issue generally with Framasoft
20:54:06<thuban>while i'm editing the wiki i'm going to add the services they reprieved
20:54:19<@OrIdow6>Alright, thanks
20:54:27<@OrIdow6>That Wiki articale was severely neglected
20:55:15<thuban>d'you think i should also add the stuff that died before we'd heard of it? marginally valuable for historical purposes but not... useful to us
20:55:50<@OrIdow6>I do (eg Bodybuilding forums from a few days ago)
20:56:04<@OrIdow6>Seems like they deserve being written down by us somewhere
20:56:17<@OrIdow6>Also helps to avoid "so did we not get it or just not write it down?" situations like this
20:56:29<thuban>good point
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21:45:47<thuban>OrIdow6: do we have any frama.link urls / is there anything in the cdx? the shutdown blog post says "existing frama.link will still redirect to the right web address"; curious whether that's in fact the case
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21:49:47<thuban>aha: there is, and they do still work
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22:19:00<thuban>somebody with urlteam experience should add it there, idk how that works
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23:40:27<mikolaj|m>pokechu22: hi, sorry for another ping (Im unable to see all messages on #archivebot due to Element/Matrix limitations). I asked if you could archive a forum, http://forums.ohtori.nu/, using AB. Was there any response from your side?
23:40:47<pokechu22>mikolaj|m: Checking...
23:43:16<pokechu22>Looks like Sanqui ran forums.ohtori.nu in 2022? But apart from that, we haven't started a new job yet due to low space due to archive.org being down. Here's the response you got:
23:43:18<pokechu22>01:26 <@JAA> mikolaj|m: Doesn't sound like it's in acute danger? We're currently almost entirely stalled here, but we can certainly run it when that's resolved.
23:43:20<pokechu22>01:52 <@JAA> mikolaj|m: It appears that's the URL where it used to be hosted, too. I found a link to it from 2010 here: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/where-i-watch-revolutionary-girl-utena.542654/#post-12977616
23:43:22<pokechu22>01:53 <@JAA> So it was probably just converted in-place to a read-only static copy when they discontinued the forums. :-)
23:43:24<pokechu22>01:54 <@JAA> Or possibly it was on forums.ohtori.nu instead as indicated by the HTTrack HTML comment.
23:43:26<pokechu22>01:54 <@JAA> It's still there, too, but with broken CSS etc.
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23:44:12<mikolaj|m>pokechu22: thanks
23:50:07<mikolaj|m>Ok, maybe my mind is tricking me or im confused by wayback's interface, i thought it's not on The Wayback Machine, but it's there actually, so nevermind and sorry for the noise
23:50:58<pokechu22>mikolaj|m: I believe you were asking about the static copy at http://ohtori.nu/forums/
23:53:01<mikolaj|m>pokechu22: ah, thanks, that explains it

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