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02:15:46<Goku>Hi all.
02:17:33<Goku>I need some help with archiving/retrieving a message board forum. The site is called bodybuilding.com containing 100s of millions of user threads.
02:18:30<Goku>I am willing to pay £1000 to anyone who can help me as I have some pretty damn important information on there that I can't get.
02:19:00<Goku>Please let me know soon as I am incompetent as heck with all this stuff.
02:20:38<Goku>Hello? Is anyone on here?
02:20:47<nicolas17>that looks like a shop, where is the message board?
02:21:49<Goku>The message board is like this.
02:21:56<@OrIdow6>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding.com
02:22:00<@OrIdow6>"The site also once had a highly popular forum section which was shut down in September 2024 without notice. "
02:22:06<Goku>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=179112481&p=1619261191
02:22:16<nicolas17>oh so it's already deleted
02:22:36<@OrIdow6>Not on DW
02:22:47<ymgve__>they tried to hide the secret of the 8 day week
02:22:50<Goku>Yes, the forum part of it was shut down.
02:23:19<Goku>ymgve_ haha!! Even that super popular thread is gone now.
02:23:33<ymgve__>if it's gone, there's not much archiveteam can do
02:24:01<@JAA>Sadly, £1000 doesn't buy a time machine. :-/
02:24:03<@OrIdow6>Does look like there was a big AB job in 2018
02:24:27<ymgve__>have you tried contacting the sysadmins of bodybuilding.com and offering them that £1000?
02:24:39<nicolas17>:D
02:25:37<Goku>I don't know what to do guys. How can such a big forum spanning over 20+ years with 100s of millions of threads not be archived somewhere. Way more popular than IMDB and that had a nice backup ready years ago. Or is the bodybuilding.com forum archived somewhere I just haven't found yet? Any ideas?
02:26:01<ymgve__>internet archive probably has some snapshots?
02:26:07<@OrIdow6>Goku: Have you checked web.archive.org?
02:26:08<Goku>Orldow6 an AB job? What is that?
02:26:09<@OrIdow6>Yeah
02:26:25<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Deathwatch (+150, /* 2024 */ forum.bodybuilding.com missed by us): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53606&oldid=53605
02:26:38<nicolas17>there are some threads archived https://web.archive.org/web/20180802010440/https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107450571&
02:26:41<nicolas17>it's likely very incomplete
02:27:08<Goku>ymgve_ Well, I sent then a lengthy heartfelt email to their support earlier today in regards to getting the data. Waiting on a response but I really don't know what to do at this point.
02:27:27<@JAA>We don't usually have the resources to archive large things proactively. We focus on things we know are about to disappear instead. Since there was apparently no advance notice here, we didn't have a project for it.
02:27:50<@OrIdow6>https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/20180525005751dl5zr looks pretty big
02:28:32<nicolas17>if the website had said "we're shutting down in a month" *and* someone had told us about it early enough, we would have rushed to comprehensively archive it
02:28:42<@OrIdow6>Goku: ArchiveBot is a bot that we have to archive websites, its data goes to web.archive.org
02:28:43<nicolas17>they shut down with zero advance notice
02:29:05<@OrIdow6>I would be interested if there were any signs ahead of time
02:29:11<@OrIdow6>If not notice, things people picked up on
02:30:05<nicolas17>OrIdow6: interesting
02:30:06<@JAA>Yeah, I remember that job, it was on a cursed pipeline. That will definitely be very incomplete indeed.
02:30:16<@OrIdow6>Ah
02:30:46<@JAA>There was a remaining queue of over 21 million when it died.
02:30:47<Goku>Orldow6 what is that archive.fart thingy containing there?
02:30:54<nicolas17>we also have no way to search the archived *contents* while IA is down :P
02:32:17<Goku>nicolas17, yeah exactly. Man, so what can be done moving forward. I still have 100s of links bookmarked that are just dead bodybuilding forum links.
02:33:29<@JAA>Looks like people certainly noticed technical issues a bit ahead of the disappearance: https://web.archive.org/web/20240909031602/https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=185769471
02:34:19<nicolas17>JAA: augh the session IDs in URLs
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02:35:03<@JAA>Yep, those were an issue with the AB job, too.
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02:35:38<nicolas17>we now have ways to avoid it in new jobs right?
02:35:51<@JAA>No
02:36:13<Goku>Yeah, I recall people were complaining about the bodybuilding forums going down a few times in the past year. But then they were suddenly wiped as mentioned.
02:36:37<@JAA>There are tricks to make it slightly less annoying in some cases, but that's it.
02:36:59<Goku>So what can I do guys, who can I contact? Surely that data is out there somewhere, especially since it was so recent.
02:37:32<@JAA>Most likely, unless the owners respond and bring it back online, the brunt of it is lost.
02:39:53<Goku>But such a big corporation, ahhh. How do you suggest I go about this. I mean, the knowledge logged on that site was so valuable. I would do anything to get it back (hence my £1000 offer), I just don't have a clue on how to even begin.
02:40:06<@OrIdow6>Goku: the archive.fart thing is data related to ArchiveBot, which again you can find the pages of on web.archive.org
02:40:36<Goku>Orldow6 ah I see, thanks for letting me know.
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02:44:59<@OrIdow6>So seems it was the same story as with a lot of forums, gradual decline then eventually someone stops caring
02:46:17<Goku>It's really absurd but my entire life depends on getting that archive back. I had medical records logged in there on my forum posts I made. E.g, relating to a MRI I had on my spine/brain, reports of certain specialist treatments etc. It sounds like a lie but I am dead serious. If I don't get that data then I am screwed in like 50 different ways,
02:46:18<Goku>one of which directly impacts my life since I no longer have reports of my own medical history.
02:47:16<Goku>Orldow6, yes, I have seen a ton of different message boards go down in the past 2ish years.
02:48:45<Goku>But what do you suggest I do? Who do I contact? Who can help? My sights are set on getting this back and I really need some guidance in sorting this out. I have no idea on who to ask and I found this channel through some random links.
02:51:39<Goku>This is one post I had bookmarked for example.
02:51:44<Goku>https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=182075643&p=1672614783
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02:52:38<Goku>That linked thread contained so much important information. Please can someone help.
02:55:28<TheTechRobo>You can try putting the individual post URLs in the Wayback Machine and seeing if you get anything from there
02:55:46<@OrIdow6>TheTechRobo: I think the session IDs might be an issue?
02:56:05<TheTechRobo>OrIdow6: Hm, yeah. Once IA is back in full I guess we could download the CDX files and try those?
02:56:15<@JAA>The CDX API is up.
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02:56:35<@JAA>But downloading that would take a little while.
02:56:57<TheTechRobo>I don't think I've ever been able to use the CDX API successfully. :-)
02:57:12<@OrIdow6>Is that pagination bug fixed?
02:57:32<@OrIdow6>I can do it, I have a one-liner somewhere in my command line history
02:57:37<TheTechRobo>Every time I try to use it, it either doesn't have the functionality I need or it starts timing out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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02:58:50<Goku>Thetechrobo, no that didn't work. Nobody archived individual threads like that.
02:59:47<Goku>So how come nobody on here know about the bodybuilding.com forums being wiped? That was probably the biggest forum in the world at one point.
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03:17:30<nulldata>The AT development team has unfortunately yet to develop clairvoyance nor a method of time travel.
03:18:20<nulldata>I believe those are on the roadmap after ARM support.
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03:24:09<TheTechRobo>nulldata: Which one comes first? Clairvoyance or time travel?
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03:26:53<nulldata>Yes.
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03:45:55<@OrIdow6>!tell Goku links for the thread you linked https://transfer.notkiska.pw/inline/tmTc7/bodybuilding_urls
03:45:55<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell Goku when they join next
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03:48:26<thuban>!tell Goku is there some reason you can't just contact the providing institutions for copies of your medical records?
03:48:27<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell Goku when they join next
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03:54:02<@OrIdow6>Speaking of medical records I did kind of feel like a TV doctor discussing some stuff over a patient there
03:54:56<@OrIdow6>I liked the part where I linked to a website called "fart.website" containing a list of URLs with web designe from 1998, and J A A replied that it was a "cursed pipeline", totally comprehensible to an outsider
03:55:30<@OrIdow6>*a list of URLs that go to an error page
03:56:17<@OrIdow6>Reminds me of the "ghosts in your blood" meme actually
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04:10:16<@OrIdow6>I don't think there's much I could do it practically, but seeing a few artists move from Twitter to Bluesky with this AI thing
04:14:01<nicolas17>OrIdow6: bluesky got 1M new users in the last day or two
04:14:13<nicolas17>the change to the block feature is a trigger too
04:15:51<@OrIdow6>Maybe if it gets enough traction we can restart the AT twitter account there
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04:42:47<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+583, Add Telekom hilft Community, Unmanned…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53607&oldid=53606
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05:06:51<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+399, Add SceneCity and untergrund.net): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53608&oldid=53607
05:09:22<Vokun>Twitter (x) updated their eula to say any media uploaded allowed to be used in their ai training models. It used to be opt out, but now it's sitewide
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06:42:40<eggdrop>[remind] OrIdow6: niconino
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07:21:42<@OrIdow6>!remindme 1d niconino]
07:21:43<eggdrop>[remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-10-20T07:21:42Z
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08:51:44<Jake>wait, we haven't developed the time machine yet?
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17:28:54<h2ibot>Manu edited Elections (+163, Adding US presidential election): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53609&oldid=53590
17:29:54<h2ibot>Manu edited Elections (+5, whoops :)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53610&oldid=53609
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19:23:13<h2ibot>Ka edited List of Reddit subs by country and territory (+77, /* Oceania */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53611&oldid=53598
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23:18:59<Flashfire42>https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-10-17/23andme-genetic-data-privacy-bankrupt-dna-test-ancestry/104455816
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23:37:56<StarletCharlotte>This might be a stupid question, but what's keeping other services on IA offline? Are they still getting DDOSed? Am I missing something?
23:38:38<@JAA>#internetarchive, but we have no insight into what's happeneing there.
23:41:26<nicolas17>StarletCharlotte: they are improving their security, and *I guess* also their resilience against DDoS, before turning things back on
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