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07:12:57<pabs>https://apnews.com/article/pyrex-bankruptcy-instant-pot-corelle-677ddd604f460e7f4c998e2807fe50b2
07:13:08<pabs>(lots of different sites)
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07:40:38<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailman2 (+148, link to another page with mailman lists): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49935&oldid=49909
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08:57:39<pabs>https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2023-06-14/global-grain-giants-bunge-and-viterra-agree-to-merger/102461984
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09:09:54<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailman2 (+58, another mailman2 site): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49936&oldid=49935
09:23:57<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailman2 (+283, more lists): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49937&oldid=49936
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12:39:50<masterx244|m>just noticed that one of my sitedumps that i mainly did for own sanity is the only existing major backup of a forum... luckily it already arrived at archive.org. (zenhax.com)
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13:23:43<masterx244|m>damnit... double upload fail due to wrongly guessed collection name for the "Community Texts" collection.... thats whats happening when you CSV-upload to split a folder to multiple items (big web crawl, don't want to drop a oversized item)
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13:44:49Topic: Lengthy ArchiveTeam-related discussions, questions here | Offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1069715869994020867
13:44:49Topic set by JAA at 2021-11-02 03:43:57Z
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15:44:29<@JAA>systwi: https://www.aimjunkies.com/ was already run through AB last month. :-)
15:49:41<@JAA>masterX244: I constantly get confused by 'opensource' = 'Community Texts' and 'opensource_media' = 'Community Data' (especially the latter; 'media' implies something different for me). Not to mention that 'opensource' is a misnomer anyway; lots of things there are not 'open-source' by any definition of the term.
15:58:57<masterX244>community_XXX like they are named in the UI would be more obvious (and in this case the naming could be fixed by creating new collections with the obvious names and having thew old ones only for compatibility reasons left)
15:59:15<masterX244>that trap only catches commandline uploaders since you don't get the picker there
15:59:29<@JAA>Yeah
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16:00:42<masterX244>luckily my sena firmware stuff can't fall into that trap on new items since those uploads are handled by a tool and the collection is fixed in a config file so the CSV is ready-to-upload immediately (and its processed by a cronjob so files take the direct trip to the IA once pulled from manufacturer)
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17:10:22<HiccupJul>What's the best way to host a mirror of a site that was backed up as WARC(s)
17:10:53<HiccupJul>preferably something that can be put on static hosting, but if need be, dynamic hosting would be okay
17:11:15<HiccupJul>i guess pywb could be run and then exposed to the web? but i'm not sure how secure that is...
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17:12:34<masterX244>too bad that there is no way to rig pywb to not show any toolbar by default, otherwise i would have said: run pywb locally, download all HTML pages and their assets and upload that as static to let pywb handle the rewrite
17:12:44<masterX244>what site?
17:13:02<HiccupJul>redump
17:13:45<HiccupJul>yeah true that could work, although that kind of seems like re-scraping the site to HTML :P
17:14:04<HiccupJul>rather than converting it
17:14:22<masterX244>try a warcat extract into a subfolder, that should work if the files don't hardcode their domain (and on a linux system even ? and other magic stuff works in filenames
17:15:22<HiccupJul>ah, i'll try that
17:15:32<HiccupJul>i think some links do hardcode the domain however
17:16:11<HiccupJul>maybe a simple script could rewrite the links. not sure if there's an existing tool for that.
17:19:10<imer>HiccupJul: https://stackoverflow.com/a/6759339 something like that, just search for https?:\/\/domain\/ instead of apple and replace with \/ instead of orange should do the trick maybe?
17:19:25<HiccupJul>yeah probably
17:19:34<HiccupJul>or just python with a html parser
17:19:47<imer>sounds complicated :D
17:20:15<HiccupJul>yeah probably, but more hopefully more solid than find and replace :P
17:20:43<imer>possibly
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20:33:59<mikolaj|m>pabs: you seem to be working on archiving mailman2 archives. Can I add https://lists.man.lodz.pl/listinfo to the list on the wiki?
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21:21:18<tech234a>https://support.google.com/domains/answer/13689670
21:25:15<tech234a>“About the Squarespace purchase of Google Domains registrations”
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21:34:05<h2ibot>Yts98 edited Egloos (+295, Add references): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49938&oldid=49921
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21:46:29<fireonlive>what the fuck
21:46:34<imer>but why
21:46:47<fireonlive>can google commit to something for 5 fucking seconds
21:46:49<fireonlive>jesus christ
21:48:57<fireonlive>i guess the answer is of course not
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22:22:49<JTL>Google Domains has existed as a product for ~9 years, so it's a bit more than 5 seconds :P
22:23:28<JTL>And for all the shit people give Google for. I've never heard of anyone getting a domain stolen when using a Google account enrolled into "advanced protection" with them.
22:24:21<JTL>Given the margins on commodity domain registration, can't say I'm surprised seeing Google exit the business either
22:44:31<dave>yeah that's basically it. The way google works, you have to either be an essential cost center, or be *disgustingly* profitable. A license to print just a little bit of money (which is what registrars are) always ends up canceled
22:47:07<JTL>agreed
22:47:43<@JAA>Also, they're not killing it, they're selling it, effectively, although it won't be under the established name anymore.
22:48:51<@JAA>So not really comparable with the huge number of services they shuttered completely.
22:49:18<JTL>I wouldn't be surprised if ICANN had requirements for a registrar that otherwise isn't bankrupt attempting to shutdown that "selling it" made more sense
22:49:33<pokechu22>I just did an !a https://domains.google in #archivebot. It doesn't sound like we need to worry about saving every site that used them as their registrar though
22:49:54<JTL>Depends on what happens to the registrar tag after the sale and if anyone fucks up
22:50:16<JTL>but registrars having gone out of business and having been "bulk transferred" has happened before
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22:53:27<fireonlive>it's been 9 years??
22:53:41<JTL>Apparently
22:53:49<fireonlive>*stares at a wall for a while*
22:53:56<JTL>I know...
22:59:57<@JAA>JTL: I'd check ICANN's Registrar Accreditation Agreement, but it's 71 pages of crudely formatted Word, so I'll spare my sanity.
23:00:23<JTL>Ditto
23:02:39dumbgoy joins
23:11:44<fireonlive>not even a pdf?
23:11:45<fireonlive>lol
23:12:56<@JAA>Well, it's available as a PDF, but the formatting is still shitty.
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23:13:53<nicolas17>not enough disk space in VPS for what I wanted to do
23:13:55<nicolas17>check ncdu
23:14:00<nicolas17>origin.ka.cdn.txt: 1.2GB
23:14:11<nicolas17>JAA: ^ I did not expect that :P
23:14:49<@JAA>nicolas17: Yup, my JSONL output of the full listing with details is 3.8 GB.
23:14:56<nicolas17>zstd'ing now
23:15:03<@JAA>:-)
23:15:19<nicolas17>and my git repo with reddit moderator.json history needs repacking too
23:16:10<@JAA>Download's running suspiciously smoothly, by the way. ETA is somewhere in the late hours of the 27th or the early of 28th.
23:16:33<@JAA>As long as it stays there, I won't touch this to make it faster.
23:18:53<nicolas17>ok zstd -19 is too slow on this cheapo VPS, and -5 brought it to 8% of original so that's good enough
23:19:10<@JAA>Try zstd --ultra -22 :-P
23:19:16<fireonlive>xD
23:19:40<nicolas17>I need my single core for other stuff for the next... hour or so :P
23:19:46<fireonlive>reports that domains registered with "Google Workspace" will remain with Google, as well as domains on Google Cloud Platform Domains, which is a totally separate thing from Google Domains because of course it is
23:19:54<@JAA>I've found -10 to be a quite decent choice for many things.
23:21:17<nicolas17>download Apple ipsw -> unzip -t -> create torrent (chunk hashes) -> delete ipsw -> next
23:21:55<nicolas17>when Apple's CDN cooperates, even the download step pegs the CPU
23:31:18<fireonlive>>_>
23:33:41<nicolas17>what :P
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23:35:37<Twisty>What's the difference between the todo and todo:redo in the tracker stats?
23:35:42<fireonlive>:D
23:35:47<imer>Twisty: to answer your question, the different todo queues are priorities, todo > todo:backfeed > todo:secondary > todo:redo
23:35:52<imer>I think
23:35:55<@arkiver>yes
23:35:57<@JAA>Correct
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23:36:11<Twisty>I see, but why redo tasks that have already been done?
23:36:24<pokechu22>I think redo is for tasks that failed so they can be attempted again
23:36:28<@JAA>todo:redo is usually released claims. todo:backfeed is usually 'everything that gets queued'.
23:36:29<pokechu22>Stuff that was successfully done generally isn't redone
23:36:42<@JAA>But we regularly shuffle things around, so the details depend on the individual project.
23:36:59<nicolas17>Twisty: we redo tasks that were already sent to a worker to do, but the worker didn't return successfully
23:37:10<Twisty>ah
23:37:11<nicolas17>maybe the file was deleted and it's never going to work no matter how much you retry
23:37:17<nicolas17>but maybe it was a temporary error
23:37:38<nicolas17>or maybe it came back (think a private subreddit going back public)
23:37:47<Twisty>I guess at some point it's considered unretrievable? Or does that only happen when some link in a given task is dead?
23:38:18<nicolas17>that depends on the project, but yes, the project-specific script can mark a task as "done" when it was a permanent error
23:38:34<@JAA>Items are considered unretrievable if they've been reclaimed often enough (and it's been configured that way).
23:38:48<nicolas17>oh for the tracker's notion of "unretrievable" yes
23:38:50<@JAA>Marking as done is also a possibility, yeah.
23:41:46<Twisty>and the backfeed is if a task is about to be assigned or just worked on and now sent to the archive?
23:42:26<nicolas17>as far as the tracker code works, they're just 4 queues with different priorities
23:42:47<Twisty>I wish there would be a table of information next to the stats, there are so many therms that a noob like me has no idea what they mean ^^"
23:42:48<nicolas17>if a worker requests a task, the tracker gives them something from todo
23:42:56<nicolas17>if todo is empty, it uses todo:backfeed instead, etc
23:43:49<nicolas17>the names reflect the way they were *usually* used
23:44:12<Twisty>where does the backfeed come from though? If todo is empty, in my mind it would make more sense to pull a task from the redo instead?
23:44:13<nicolas17>but sometimes it's just "we're not redoing anything, but we want to archive this at low priority, throw it into redo"
23:44:39<Twisty>I see, so it can kinda vary :D
23:45:55<@JAA>backfeed is how items can queue further items. For example, retrieving a page might result in additional items for each image on the page.
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