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00:00:42<fireonlive>thanks for the approval JAA :3
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01:42:16<railen64>here is a egloos blog list https://transfer.archivete.am/8oe1p/egloosdomains%20%282%29.txt OrIdow6
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01:42:50<@OrIdow6>Thank you railen64
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02:11:03<@JAA>The Knowledge Adventure bucket archival has been running for a bit now and is looking good. Some files are not accessible (403), but that's a very small number so far.
02:12:45<@JAA>Rough ETA from the current speed is the 29th.
02:12:57<@JAA>betamax: ^
02:16:53<@JAA>And first rough size estimate: 2.7 TiB
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02:39:44<nicolas17>example of 403?
02:44:46<@JAA>nicolas17: DWAElementMatchStaging/MadOnlineUnity/Locale/en-US/Sound/DlgJSSkipperApril_Fools.unity3d DWAMobile/DragonsMobile/Android/1.2.0/Mid/en-US/Sound/DlgFloraMayDung.unity3d
02:45:05<nicolas17>weird
02:45:20<@JAA>Also anything under Content/JSAHome/worksheets/AlexaTest/ it seems.
02:49:44<systwi>https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-orders-invidious-privacy-software-to-shut-down-in-7-days-230609/
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04:07:10<yts98>bcy.net is made of React, full of images and videos, so I think it should be a warrior project.
04:08:21<yts98>I guess there will be about 100M items since their official account has 8.3M followers (accounts): https://bcy.net/u/10444
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04:44:56<masterX244>For stackexchange: stacksmash
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05:28:43<TTN>What's happening with egloos?
05:32:00<@OrIdow6>It's running, #eggos
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06:03:00<dave>is there any downside to running N containers with concurrent=1 instead of one container with concurrent=N?
06:03:43<dave>Suffering from the long tail effect when trying to gracefully shut down the container for an update, one long-running item is holding up the restart and so my capacity is way down while the other threads are just halted waiting to restart
06:04:18<fireonlive>i wouldn't think so; but someone else can confirm
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06:13:54<pabs>https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/06/after-eating-up-lots-of-game-studios-embracer-group-set-to-close-a-bunch/
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08:01:11<@JAA>dave: A bit more overhead from the containerisation, but otherwise, that should be fine.
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13:14:14<h2ibot>Yts98 edited Egloos (+221, Launch the project): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49921&oldid=49902
13:14:15<h2ibot>Yts98 edited Template:Navigation box (+17, Added Egloos): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49922&oldid=49836
13:14:16<h2ibot>Yts98 edited Current Projects (+109, Add Egloos): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49923&oldid=49815
13:14:17<h2ibot>FireonLive edited TJ (+37, archiving offline (site dead), link to data): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49924&oldid=48952
13:14:18<h2ibot>FireonLive edited Zippyshare (+43, add link to data; past tense): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49925&oldid=49882
13:15:14<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:Yts98
13:15:15<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:FireonLive
13:16:44<yts98>JAA: thank you!
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14:27:58<@arkiver>yts98: yes agreed, i'll get started on a project
14:28:10<@arkiver>planning to get a ton of stuff started the next days!
14:28:12<@arkiver>going to be fun
14:28:27<@arkiver>at least hope to start moving through everything remaining in June and July
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17:10:35<fireonlive>thanks for the group change JAA :)
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17:11:28<@JAA>:-)
17:13:22<@JAA>ETA for the Knowledge Adventure bucket is still around the 28th or 29th. I don't know what the bottleneck is currently, but considering it's running smoothly and should finish in time, my desire to investigate that is limited.
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17:20:24<@JAA>A quick look suggests I'm not really bottlenecked and would just need to increase my concurrency to go more faster.
17:28:02<h2ibot>Commandhat edited Deathwatch (+243, adding Scripting Helpers): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49926&oldid=49919
17:32:16<masterX244>at least that site has a read-only phase, that way no stuff can escape due to pages jumping around while crawling
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17:39:04<h2ibot>Commandhat uploaded File:Scriptinghelpers front page - 6-14-23.png: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AScriptinghelpers%20front%20page%20-%206-14-23.png
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18:13:26<dave>wow I really need to put the archive VM on SSD, with reddit+egloos+imgur+telegram all running, poor thing's struggling
18:16:52<nito-kihk>weird, for me it's usually CPU limited, not IO limited
18:18:28<dave>my setup is quite janky because I wanted to get something running in a hurry, so it's running on qcow2 storage (not known for greatest performance), on ZFS (not a zvol, so even more write overhead), on spinning rust (because my giant NAS is the 24x7 system)
18:18:46<dave>so, I have like 3 layers of terrible I/O performance layered on top of each other, and it shows
18:19:35<dave>easy fix, just need to get a PCIe NVMe card and get some fast storage set up for VMs. Been meaning to do it for a while, just never get around to it
18:21:47<@JAA>If you have enough RAM, it's fine to use a tmpfs for workers.
18:21:54<nito-kihk>haha yeah i guess it's not the most efficient setup
18:23:19<BigBrain>archiveteam - held together by duct tape and dreams
18:23:48<dave>hmm, 20G or so of RAM kicking about... If I can persuade docker to get it all into a tmpfs, that might work out.
18:24:38<BigBrain>also last time tried zvol had worse io than raw image on zfs
18:25:05<dave>yeah, I've heard that. I'll need to do some testing and figure out the right settings
18:25:23<@JAA>With the project images and Docker: `--mount type=tmpfs,tmpfs-size=2G,destination=/grab/data`
18:25:30<BigBrain>ping me if you do, would be interesting
18:26:02<dave>but tbh just throwing this janky stack onto SSDs will massively improve it. This machine doesn't do that much I/O, so just cutting iop latency to ~zero would probably make it work well enough
18:26:29<dave>JAA: thx, I'll tinker after work today and see what I can do
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18:27:26<@JAA>Write endurance though :-)
18:29:01<dave>honestly if archiveteam puts out enough write load to kill some SSDs, I'll be pleased :D
18:29:30<dave>well, maybe not pleased... Impressed though!
18:29:30<@JAA>Oh, we've shredded a number of SSDs, just not on workers.
18:29:54<@JAA>For some time, our SSDs on targets lasted a couple months.
18:30:47<nito-kihk>damn
18:30:47<dave>oof, yeah I guess the load there is significantly worse
18:31:05<@JAA>On workers, it's unlikely to be a real problem since the bottlenecks are usually elsewhere anyway. But no need to stress the drive, so might as well do a tmpfs if you have the spare RAM.
18:32:12<dave>in theory I do, but the spare RAM is also acting as ARC for ZFS, so it's a tradeoff. Should have listened to my inner devil and maxed out RAM on this server when I build it, instead of "eh 128G should be plenty"
18:32:31<nicolas17>>.>
18:32:34<nicolas17>my desktop PC had 16GB
18:32:57<dave>rule of thumb: no matter how much I overbuild servers, they never seem to be big enough
18:32:59<nicolas17>then one of the two 8GB sticks started giving errors so I went down to 8GB
18:33:35<nicolas17>then I bought a 16GB stick to replace it so I'm now up to the incredibly high number of 24GB
18:35:32<dave>honestly for desktop, 16G is still fine. On servers I overbuild RAM because of VMs and disk cache
18:35:54<nicolas17>my "server" is a digitalocean VPS with 1GB of RAM
18:36:36<nito-kihk>still plenty for many things nicolas17 :)
18:37:33<dave>yeah definitely. I moved to a rack in my house mostly because of my minor data hoarding problem, it's tricky finding affordable server rental with stupid amounts of storage
18:38:23<nicolas17>oh yeah that desktop also has 1TB SSD and 1TB HDD x_x
18:39:17<dave>and once you've committed to enough computer for a dozen drives... at the time the cycle of enterprise hardware EOL was in a good place and the incremental cost of adding lots of CPU and RAM was worth it
18:41:43<nicolas17>I just started the reddit grabber on this laptop, mounting a tmpfs with the option JAA mentioned
18:42:08<nicolas17>2GB tmpfs, doesn't seem to be ever going higher than 20MB in use, heh
18:43:02<dave>yeah reddit's item size is quite small afaict
18:43:18<@JAA>Yeah, 2 GiB will be plenty there.
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18:48:49<fireonlive>hopefully those were rented dedis JAA xP
18:49:10<fireonlive>'oh wow your hardware failed, that's weird. can we have a replacement'
18:50:39<threedeeitguy>I'm keeping an eye out for a loaded r720 going cheap, ddr3 is about £70 for 24x16gb dimms here. It's probably going to be too power hungry to run 24x7 but should be good when I need to test something bigger.
18:51:10<nicolas17>fireonlive: the way hetzner handles that is a bit annoying :/
18:51:49<fireonlive>oh really? :/
18:52:23<nicolas17>if you have a RAID1, you tell them "my disk suchandsuch is showing errors in SMART", and they replace it, in many cases needing a server shutdown (some newer servers do have hotswap), then you resync the array
18:52:45<dave>threedeeitguy: right now, the hot enterprise recycling item is Cisco UCS C240 servers, fwiw. They just hit EOL recently and are flooding reseller markets... At least in the US, hopefully similar in Europe
18:52:47<nicolas17>but the ideal way to do it is to first *add* a third disk, then resync, then remove the bad disk
18:53:26<fireonlive>ahhh I see. yeah that's not super ideal :/
18:53:35<nicolas17>otherwise, what if disk A shows some errors in SMART, they replace it, and disk B dies entirely mid-sync? no redundancy left
18:53:53<fireonlive>yeah then you're stuck restoring from backup.. giant pain in the ass there
18:54:39<nicolas17>the hot swap on newer servers is quite nice though
18:55:28<fireonlive>ye not shutting down sounds a lot nicer
18:56:22<nicolas17>also, I don't remember them ever refusing a disk replacement because it's not dead enough; disk has suspicious SMART, sure here's another
18:56:47<nicolas17>they just don't guarantee you get a *new* disk (unless you pay)
19:00:12<threedeeitguy>Dave they look great for compute/smaller storage arrays, the chassis look to be two a penny but the price of ddr4 makes that a non starter for something I want to load with 380/512 of ram.
19:00:21<h2ibot>JAABot edited CurrentWarriorProject (-4): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49931&oldid=49911
19:02:25<dave>threedeeitguy: ah yeah, DDR4 hasn't come down quite enough yet for that
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19:15:14<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>fireonlive: At https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49924&oldid=48952 the archiving status should be either {{saved}} or {{partiallysaved}} (depending on whether everything was archived or only some of it), not {{offline}} (which is for the site itself). https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Template:Infobox_project has a list of these templates.
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19:18:37<fireonlive>ah! thanks
19:18:40<fireonlive>i misread the template last night
19:19:15<fireonlive>found infobox project but crossed my wires haha
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19:21:35<whodunnit>Is there a project for gamefaqs?
19:21:49<whodunnit>Fandom did buy it a while back and they might want to make some quick cash
19:22:51<fireonlive>i'll ask in the project channel what the saved/partially saved status was
19:23:47<whodunnit>Also i can't find a page for it on the wiki, that's why im asking too
19:24:36<fireonlive>there's Fandom: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Fandom but it doesn't mention gamefaqs
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19:40:45<yasomi>is there any plan for making an archiveteam project out of Discord when it comes time for that to get enshittified too?
19:43:56<pokechu22>Some would say it already is
19:44:21<pokechu22>I'm not sure how practical saving discord is, since most stuff isn't public... but on the other hand, there is the telegram project
19:44:34<icedice>You'd have to join a shit-ton of Discord servers to archive them on a per server level
19:44:50<pokechu22>See https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Discord and apparently #discard
19:45:20<icedice>If you wanted to start somewhere, I'd start with major piracy Discords
19:45:53<icedice>The /r/animepiracy Discord got yeeted by Sony, for example
19:46:02<@JAA>Telegram has a decent amount of public content, and that's what we're archiving.
19:46:04<icedice>Happens when you interfere with their anime cartel
19:46:28<dave>there are quite a lot of discords with public invite links at least. Tricky part's going to be provisioning accounts for scraping and evading banhammers
19:46:47<@JAA>Yeah
19:46:52<@JAA>In any case, #discard is the channel for that.
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19:51:19<@arkiver>if someone wants to - feel free to set Reddit on our wiki as endangered
19:51:52<masterX244>done
19:52:31<h2ibot>MasterX244 edited Reddit (+4): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49932&oldid=49913
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20:06:07<upintheairsheep>This Twitter user appears to have “signed off” for an unspecified amount of time due to finding a girlfriend, and sent a goodbye message (also posts apple leak content which is against Twitter’s ToS): https://twitter.com/Unknown_Tags
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20:14:54<fireonlive>that was a wild ride
20:15:16<fireonlive>i don't think socialbot is up though
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20:25:00<nicolas17>that sounds more like harassing someone to come back lol
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21:35:19<mpeter|m><icedice> "You'd have to join a shit-ton of..." <- there are servers which do some kind of automated test on whether you are a human before a bot reveals the channels for you
21:36:15<mpeter|m>its one thing to automate that somehow, but afaik AT projects are ran without an account on any platform (right?), and I'm not sure if that way its possible to complete the verification
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21:41:00<mpeter|m><arkiver> "if someone wants to - feel..." <- by the way, the wiki main page at the "Warrior-based projects" heading says for reddit that "grabbing past material is planned". is that still the case?
21:43:19<BigBrain>mpeter|m: being done currently
21:43:22<masterX244>mpeter|m: mentioned that already, too since regular users cannot edit main page at all. on the reddit page itself its already up to date
21:44:09<@JAA>Missed that, fixing.
21:44:20<@JAA>Anyone can, actually, it's just not obvious how.
21:45:07<@JAA>I'll just remove that sentence entirely.
21:45:53<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Current Projects (-72, Historical Reddit data is in progress): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49933&oldid=49923
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21:52:54<h2ibot>FireonLive edited TJ (+3, revert archiving_status until more is known): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49934&oldid=49924
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22:02:25<fireonlive>just scrolling the wiki and was like "did i see dead people?" and i did!
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22:41:38<@arkiver>JAA: do you happen to know if ARTDOXA was saved with AB for example?
22:44:27<@JAA>arkiver: Yes, it was run through AB by pokechu22.
22:45:26<pokechu22>It's probably worth saving a second time since there's a bit of new content
22:45:44<pokechu22>but probably closer to the deadline
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22:58:26<@arkiver>awesome
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23:18:27<systwi>https://torrentfreak.com/court-confirms-bungies-3-6m-dmca-violation-win-against-aimjunkies-230614/ | https://www.aimjunkies.com/
23:18:34<systwi>Might close their web site soon.
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