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02:01:05<Ryz>Heya folks, I'm wondering if a potential archive project of Sourceforge would be doable, based on my chattering about it in #archivebot (basically jobs under https://sourceforge.net/projects/ and not subdomains that are basically project userpages are meaningless archives because JS);
02:01:13<Ryz>Reasons include past controversies mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies such as 'DevShare adware' and 'Project hijackings and bundled malware', both of these have been resolved since 2016; betting this drove a bunch of people and their projects elsewhere like GitHub and other websites
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02:05:02<OrIdow6>I don't see why not
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02:05:20<OrIdow6>I think they have some complicated system of download mirrors, could complicate reply there
02:05:57<OrIdow6>"I don't see..." technically, obviously I don't know what IA would accept etc
02:05:58<@JAA>Yeah, their entire interface is awful.
02:06:18<@JAA>But it's been dying for years, so it should definitely be archived.
02:10:47<@JAA>It's a pain though. There are files, issues, mailing lists, discussion forums, wikis, news, source code repos with every SCM imaginable (at *least* SVN, Git, Mercurial, CVS, and Bazaar), rsync servers, and more.
02:15:13<@JAA>The site also doesn't always make that obvious. For example, https://sourceforge.net/projects/allura/ doesn't say anything about a Git repo and https://sourceforge.net/p/allura/code/ is a 404, but it exists and can be cloned directly or via rsync: `git clone https://git.code.sf.net/p/allura/git` and `rsync -av git.code.sf.net::p/allura/git.git .`
02:15:22<Ryz>Additional signs of dying, there hasn't been a new post in https://sourceforge.net/blog/ since 2020 December; there's supposed to be recurring posts of 'Projects of the Week' along with "Project of the Month', which has also stopped since 2020 December: https://sourceforge.net/blog/category/potm/
02:15:55<Ryz>There was supposed to be 2021 January post as per https://sourceforge.net/blog/community-choice-project-month-vote-january-2021/ but it hasn't happened at all
02:16:21<Ryz>The last Twitter post on https://twitter.com/sourceforge is 2020 December 27
02:16:50<@JAA>That's just a couple months.
02:17:04<@JAA>Not particularly concerning.
02:17:38<@JAA>But the platform has been on the decline for the better part of a decade.
02:19:54<Ryz>The Twitter account, maybe not considered concerning, seeing that it has made made a post almost every day, sometimes more than 1; but the stopping of 'Projects of the Week' and 'Project of the Month' is further hints of their decline
02:23:26<OrIdow6>Yeah, that is a bad sign
02:23:56<Ryz>!ignore 94szmo521qbojl79lkzhqz6hq ^https?://app\.hi-george\.com/.*\.js$
02:23:59<Ryz>Oops
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02:27:28<OrIdow6>Wonder how rsync and similar would be stored; I don't think there's a warc standard for that
02:28:22<@JAA>Probably tars? Yeah, doesn't really fit into WARCs.
02:34:19<@hook54321>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/SourceForge#Archiving
02:36:00<@JAA>'We attempted to contact them but got no reply.' Yeah, great.
02:39:32<@hook54321>not sure if that person even works there anymore https://sourceforge.net/u/burley/profile/
02:40:06<@hook54321>same with the other person https://sourceforge.net/u/rgaloppini/profile/
02:44:11<OrIdow6>"David Burley" is either working 11 jobs at once or a common name
02:44:29<OrIdow6>Here's the second one https://robertogaloppini.net/ - "After serving as Senior Director of Business Development at SourceForge for over 4 years, in 2016 he started a new company..."
02:46:33<OrIdow6>Last activity of both was in 4 days of each other, a few months before it was sold
02:49:07<atphoenix>if SourceForge dies then it becomes SourceForget
02:49:49<Ryz>I smell an IRC channel name :p
02:51:52<atphoenix>:D and the end of that could be pronounced as 'forget' or as 'forjhay' or even as 'For Get'
02:52:36<OrIdow6>Apparently the channel was called #coldstorage in 2015 - https://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2015-06-04,Thu&sel=47#l43
02:53:10<OrIdow6>Oh, that's on th ewiki anyway
02:53:34<@JAA>Where's the pun in that?
02:54:35<tech234a>Forges are hot?
02:54:41<OrIdow6>They were a lot more primitive back in 2015
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03:11:15<@JAA>#sourceforget exists now.
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03:16:26<purplebot>SourceForge edited by Hook54321 (+25, updated irc channel) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=46443&oldid=28773
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03:44:26<purplebot>SourceForge edited by Hook54321 (-30) 23 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=46444&oldid=46443
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05:44:24<OrIdow6>Ryz: Did you see whether tokyo.whatsin.jp can be archived? Shuts down end of month
05:51:15<Ryz>For those not in #archivebot - I have ran a job for this above link ^
06:11:25<purplebot>Deathwatch edited by JustAnotherArchivist (+60, /* 2021 */ Add ref for aimix-BBS) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=46446&oldid=46441
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11:40:26<masterX244>noticed on the archivebot job of the defiance forum that it captures every single-post link on the threads, too. (didnt knew of the archivebot job when i saw the reddit post on r/archiveteam) had a grab-site crawl running in parallel which captured the threads without those single-post links which already finished
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18:17:52<tzt>http://www.opengrey.eu/ is shutting down "before the summer"
18:19:52<tzt>the sites sql is available
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22:14:26<purplebot>Deathwatch edited by JustAnotherArchivist (+502, /* 2021 */ Add PS3/PSP/PS Vita …) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=46447&oldid=46446
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22:20:44<useretail_>how much space would one need to mirror psn-store?
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22:23:18<@EggplantN>not sure at this time, but the way our system works we have plenty of storage
22:23:37<@EggplantN>We have over 100TB available, and thats purely for staging before sending to the IA
22:24:29<useretail_>is there any way to retrieve the data after it's being sent to archive.org?
22:24:59<useretail_>i'm asking because of copyrights n stuff
22:24:59<@JAA>Yeah, all our archives are publicly accessible. https://archive.org/details/archiveteam
22:26:02<useretail_>haven't you received any copyright claims?
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22:30:38<useretail_>i just don't to waste anyone's time here. these files are not going to last long. and i have to be sure that the data will be safe. because to be honest, i'm not sure that IA will allow open access to those files after a few copyright claims and if the situation does really look like this, i'll have to to grab them myself
22:31:44<useretail_>i'm thinking about 40-60TB
22:32:42<@JAA>If you want to be sure to always have access to everything, you'll need to keep a copy yourself, yes. That applies to everything, not just IA. Nobody knows what would happen with this dataset.
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