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01:16:57<HP_Archivist>!ao https://www.eighthdayinstitute.org/saving-the-shire-ascetic-renunciation-and-love-of-home-in-j-r-r-tolkien
01:19:27<HP_Archivist>oops
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07:12:00<masterX244>as a normal user you can't dark/undark directtly
07:12:55<masterX244>deletion ends in darkening as a result but it empties out the item before, too. otherwise only internal processes like the AV or administrative intervention can trigger it
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12:34:48<HP_Archivist>masterx244: What's odd is that I was able to dark several items on my own, without admin assistance
12:35:00<HP_Archivist>They didn't show up publicly
12:37:27<masterX244>were they in a collection that you had gotten created for yourself?
12:37:38<masterX244>in those you have more permissions than in a default collection
12:38:08<HP_Archivist>Yes - I had requested collection status and was granted it
12:38:20<HP_Archivist>Wait
12:38:40<HP_Archivist>But those items weren't part of the collection status... I uploaded those items after the collection status was given
12:38:46<HP_Archivist>But not part of the collection, as it were
12:40:07<masterX244>items outside of a collection that was created for you got usual perms, if a item is inside you got more permissions on them
12:42:14<masterX244>(some of my stuff is also in a custom collection, thats why i saw the diffference, too)
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16:14:49<HP_Archivist>masterx244: The weird thing is that these specific items were not included in that collection. So, I have no idea how I was able to turn on de-index/noindex for these few items - and have it work
16:15:07<masterX244>de-index and dark are different things
16:15:50<masterX244>noindex just hides a item from search. dark is blocking any access from it as if it does not exist at all
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16:25:06<HP_Archivist>Yeah, my bad. I have a habit of using them interchangeably. I believe noindexed them. Which still doesn't explain why I was able to do so
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17:09:08<@JAA>masterX244: The uploader can dark items. Only IA staff can undark though.
17:09:47<@JAA>HP_Archivist: noindex is just a normal metadata field. You can always change it.
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21:30:28<HP_Archivist>JAA: Thanks. But then how to explain the error message I received? 'Error processing your changes: Can't modify read-only field 'noindex"
21:30:40<HP_Archivist>When trying to noindex an item*
21:36:18<HP_Archivist>JAA: Looks like JS personally edited the noindex: https://catalogd.archive.org/history/harry-potter-games-archive-project-discord-server-archive
21:36:36<HP_Archivist> "{ " o p " : " r e m o v e " , " p a t h " : " / n o i n d e x " } ]"
21:37:25<HP_Archivist>e.g. There are 7 of these items in total. They are Discord server scrape data in zips
21:40:02<@JAA>HP_Archivist: Hmm, weird. It should be editable according to the docs: https://archive.org/developers/metadata-schema/index.html#noindex
21:42:06<@JAA>You're doing `ia metadata harry-potter-games-archive-project-discord-server-archive --modify=noindex:true`, right?
21:43:46<HP_Archivist>Not doing this from the command line. Doing this from the web page, JAA
21:43:57<HP_Archivist>But, I'm wondering why JS edited these
21:44:21<@JAA>Ah, I've never used the web interface for any item editing, so maybe it has other rules.
21:44:21<HP_Archivist>From this page, I have access https://archive.org/manage/harry-potter-games-archive-project-discord-server-archive, but I haven't tried to noindex again
21:44:42<masterX244>most of us powerusers use the commandline tool
21:44:49<@JAA>Maybe send Jason an email about that then.
21:45:21<masterX244>i only use webui when fixing description or other quick crap when i'm not near my computer where i got the data
21:46:30<HP_Archivist>Yeah, I think I might just do that. Maybe I'll ping him on Discord
23:10:09<HP_Archivist>This has been resolved. They don't want items like that to be hidden. Which makes sense. I only wanted noindex because some in these Discords might not want their handle archived, and I suppose their participation. And, I didn't want to edit the scrapes to keep everything intact.
23:12:03<HP_Archivist>I don't know how you do Discord archival and simultaneously appeal to those who might not want their conversations archived. Really, it's about the content of the Discords for greater context about the main topic at hand, e.g. Harry Potter games.
23:35:32<fireonlive>hmm. noindex is no good then?

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