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00:58:23<steering>rather spend 300% than 150%? :P
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03:09:07<@JAA>nukke: What laptop and what CPU was that?
03:13:27<nukke>JAA: HP Omnibook with AMD Ryzen HX 375
03:14:06<nukke>Hard lock potentially due to amdgpu and firmware https://www.happyassassin.net/posts/2025/01/08/new-laptop-experience-fedora-on-hp-omnibook-ultra-14-ryzen-ai-365-strix-point/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/?label_name%5B%5D=Strix%20%2F%20Kraken
03:15:14<@JAA>> AMD Ryzen™ AI processor for premium AI PCs
03:15:15<nukke>I also could not get secure boot to work with Fedora. the BIOS sucks and they have this new "Microsoft Pluto" chip that I think is the same as PSP, or Intel's ME
03:15:23<@JAA>Thanks, I hate it.
03:15:43<@JAA>Ah, lovely
03:16:09<nukke>pls, it increased my Windows Recall speeds by a lot.
03:17:38<nukke>the downside is that the used ThinkPad market is kinda crazy. Hard to find cheap stuff nowadays, used or otherwise. gone are the days of picking up 3yo laptops from. Businesses for dirt cheap.
03:18:00<@JAA>Yeah, I was just looking at used ThinkPads the other day.
03:18:22<nukke>so I will either get a stupid Macbook or shell out big money for a used ThinkPad
03:18:50<@JAA>I'm guessing slightly older generations of AMD would work better.
03:19:53<nukke>even Intel is realizing people don't like their AI chips https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-reportedly-raising-prices-on-ever-popular-raptor-lake-chips-outdated-cpus-to-get-over-10-percent-price-hike-due-to-disinterest-in-ai-processors
03:20:08<@JAA>Yeah lol
03:25:50<@JAA>But good to know, thanks!
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03:34:37<steering>the cynic in me says its because thinkpads are even more so plastic crap these days
03:35:05<steering>the realist i think says its because new hardware is unimpressive other than "is it win11 compatible"
03:35:30<steering>(and the business laptops have long had a tpm anyway)
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03:36:16<steering>I don't really understand "AI CPU", like, does it have faster FPU? *shrug*
03:36:43<@JAA>I think it usually means it has an NPU.
03:38:38<@JAA>Also, really just plastic crap now on ThinkPads? Even on the T and X series?
03:39:45<steering>I don't really pay attention but when I bought some... god, like 6 years ago... I went a generation old because it was basically the only model they were selling that still had any kind of structural support
03:41:16<@JAA>Yeah, I haven't paid attention in a decade now. The one I bought then is still going strong.
03:46:08<@JAA>Hmm, the platform specification for the T14 Gen 5 says 'PC + 20% CF' for the case material, whatever that means.
03:46:50<steering>Display cover: Magnesium Hybrid or PPS;
03:46:53<steering>Bottom: Glass-Fiber Reinforced Plastic
03:46:56<steering>is mine (t470)
03:47:17<@JAA>> Display cover: Carbon-Fiber Reinforced Plastic;
03:47:17<@JAA>> Bottom: Magnesium/Aluminum
03:47:20<@JAA>On my T450s
03:47:22<TheTechRobo>T14 Gen 5 apparently has socketed RAM again, which is nice.
03:47:29<steering>although my personal laptop (some variety of p15v) feels substantial too
03:47:49<@JAA>Huh, there are two variants of the T14 Gen 5, actually.
03:48:03<@JAA>> Models with black cover: PC + 20% CF (top), PC + 20% CF (bottom)
03:48:03<@JAA>> Models with grey cover: aluminium (top), PC + 20% CF (bottom)
03:48:21<@JAA>Still no explanation what PC and CF mean.
03:48:35<steering>ThinkPad P15v Gen 3
03:48:57<steering>im not sure it even lists the material
03:49:14<@JAA>This is the one where I found that: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_5_Intel/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_5_Intel_Spec.pdf
03:49:17<steering>ah there it is PC-ABS
03:50:14<steering>polycarbonate presumably? no idea CF tho
03:50:37<@JAA>'Carbon fibre' would make sense, but I thought that was only in the X1 Carbon models.
03:50:58<steering>anyway yeah "workstation" laptop made out of ABS impregnated with a lil bit of polycarbonate lmao
03:51:05<@JAA>:-)
03:51:12<steering>weighs like 5lbs btw
03:51:29<steering>("Starting at" 2.226kg)
03:51:41<@JAA>Yeah, the ThinkPad series covers a wide range from cheap consumer to high-level devices now, I think.
03:51:55<steering> ThinkPad P15v Gen 3 Intel (15”) Mobile Workstation
03:52:54<steering>i decked it out, finally, i have a laptop with built-in wwan :P
03:54:52<steering>anyway, yeah, i dunno who you turn to anymore if you want a solidly built laptop. other than apple i guess.
04:02:29<TheTechRobo>Framework might be a good choice. Don't know if it's anything special in terms of durability but it's repairable at least.
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04:13:20<nukke>Framework laptops are pretty expensive, even more so than Thinkpads and also seldom go on sale
04:13:49<nukke>Thinkpads' MSRP is fake and frequently go on deep "discount"
04:15:04<nukke>also Lenovo still has the best keyboards out of anyone, including Framework
04:16:20<steering>yeah mine was $1000 for like... "$2800" or something
04:16:23<@JAA>They also finally realised that swapping Fn and Ctrl is actually possible.
04:16:57<steering>both of mine support it, i don't on either one though
04:17:06<@JAA>I mean the physical keys.
04:17:09<steering>ah, yeah
04:17:24<steering>i swapped mine in bios at first but i usually hit the right side of ctrl anyway
04:17:39<@JAA>I'm still angry about the external 'ThinkPad' keyboards where there's basically no way to swap them.
04:17:46<@JAA>You have to modify the firmware etc.
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05:00:15<steering>I have no idea why anyone would get such a keyboard. I guess if you're a fan of the trackpoint?
05:06:09<@JAA>Yeah, I guess so. I inherited one.
05:12:27<nukke>I have one and I use it for everything! Compared to basically any other wireless, *portable* KB, it's amazing
05:12:45<nukke>The only con is the lack of backlight
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05:31:05<steering>hmm. I have no need for such a thing. xD
05:31:59<steering>my main keyboard is wired, my secondary keyboard is the logitech one with integrated touchpad, i had to throw out all my other keyboards when we moved but they were just random crap
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10:08:13<katia>TheTechRobo: framework is special in terms of durability alright
10:08:18<katia>Especially bad
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15:07:03<SootBector>noticed crucial stopped making mx500 ssds, any suggestions of others to consider besides the evo line?
15:15:29<hexagonwin|m>hynix ssds are also pretty good
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16:42:05<SootBector>doesn't look like they do a 2.5" drive anymore either
16:42:38<nukke>SootBector: https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide.png
16:43:53<SootBector>that's years old but I can check which are still being sold ty
16:45:08<SootBector>..wait it says updated last month, but still has MX500 on
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16:51:46<nukke>I don't think that chart discriminates whether a drive is still produced or not
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16:54:57<nukke>if you're gonna be spending big money on SATA drives I'd just go used enterprise instead https://serverpartdeals.com/collections/sata-ssd
16:55:39<SootBector>ah no, just looking for 1x 500-1tb
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18:34:39<nukke>https://cybernews.com/news/australia-github-age-restriction-kids-protection/
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21:08:48<steering>> GitHub has also long been a convenient host for malware, phishing kits, and other shady projects that might harm kids.
21:08:52<steering>lmao what
21:10:12<steering>also lmao @ blocking all kids under 16 from using services like... Steam
21:10:26<steering>poor aussie kids
21:14:31<nukke>Australia going back to its roots. Prison state!
21:26:09<@JAA>TIL there are Snapdragon-based ThinkPads, including T14s.
21:30:42<steering>can I just say, I wish github existed when I was a kid, finding POCs back then and educating yourself about security suuuuuuuuuucked
21:31:11<steering>fireonlive usually found them for me and sent them along :P
21:36:32<@Fusl>JAA: TIL but also the t14s g6 is the only one that fits my criterua of decent display res and not being yoga crap
21:39:19<@JAA>Fusl: Soldered RAM and no Ethernet is meh though.
21:40:00<@Fusl>im fine with soldered ram tbh, ive been fairly lucky with ram surviving for years without issues
21:45:13<@JAA>I think I've eventually upgraded the RAM on every laptop I've had in the past 15 years or so.
21:47:25<nukke>The Snapdragon laptops require you have a Windows partition to load firmware on boot
21:47:38<@JAA>lol
21:49:40<steering>I wouldn't mind soldered RAM so much if it wasn't for the fact that they always want twice as much as the RAM should actually cost to upgrade :P
21:51:19<@JAA>Oh yeah, the camera bump on the Gen 5/6 models is pretty ugly.
21:51:33<@Fusl>can confirm, i own a p14s g6
21:53:50<@JAA>Bah, why is picking a laptop model such a mess?
21:53:54<nukke>Have you had any issues with thr wireless card?
21:54:03<nukke>its a Mediatek right?
21:59:51<steering>Fusl: wait, that has 1920x1200; what do the others have???
22:00:06<@Fusl>steering: the one im having has 2880x1800
22:00:21<steering>ah, ok
22:00:44<steering>literally the only resolution lenovo lists under 'thinkpad t' is 1920x1200???
22:00:47<@Fusl>same model comes with different resolutions and also supports different cpus (:
22:00:52<steering>( https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/c/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/ )
22:01:01<@JAA>https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_6_AMD/ThinkPad_P14s_Gen_6_AMD_Spec.pdf
22:01:02<steering>lmao such a good site
22:01:02<@Fusl>https://geizhals.at/lenovo-thinkpad-t14s-g6-qualcomm-21n1cto1wwat2-a3267971.html
22:01:25<@JAA>I think all the recent models in the T and P series have the same screen options.
22:01:27<steering>anyway yeah it only shows the one model of it here https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/lenovo-thinkpad-t14s-gen-6-14-inch-snapdragon/len101t0099#models
22:01:34<steering> 14" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, 100%sRGB, 400 nits, 60Hz, Low Power
22:01:40<steering>which is wonderfully terrible
22:01:59<steering>(at least its IPS?)
22:02:30<steering>its always great how the best way to find info about lenovo products is not their own website but rather reddit :P
22:02:44<@JAA>Yep lol
22:03:26<@Fusl>i just use geizhals for everything, they have a very decent index of all kinds of hardware
22:04:00<steering>empty response here soooo
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22:10:14<@JAA>It seems like only the basic display is available here.
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23:18:10<steering>ugh, digitalocean... downloading 3.5GB of logs from it at <1MB/s
23:18:35<steering>meanwhile speedtest to $random_other_isp in the same area (NYC) 500Mbps :)
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23:47:43steering bounces it through work, adding another 1000 miles on top of the 2000 mile journey, and increases it to a whopping <2.5MB/s

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