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00:29:53<BlankEclair>> [27/06/2025 09:01] <JAA> But cloudflare-ech.com is a thing.
00:30:00<BlankEclair>ah whoops, yeah, it's cloudflare-ech.com when i double checked
00:31:57<@JAA>Bleh
00:33:15<BlankEclair>bleh indeed
00:33:22<BlankEclair>btw, dns is unfiltered
00:33:25<BlankEclair>...even the HTTPS records
00:33:38<BlankEclair>so that's fun
00:42:55<@JAA>lol
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01:03:53<nulldata>https://www.theverge.com/news/693566/bbc-online-tv-content-paywall-subscription-us
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02:30:54<steering>I'm really glad I graduated high school when I did, because they actually figured out how to block things pretty much immediately afterwards :P
02:31:58<@JAA>`net send * lol`
02:32:29<steering>ah they blocked that one when i was in middle school or so
02:33:00<steering>(unsure exactly, it worked when I was in summer school after 7th grade, but not when I returned to public schools in 10th grade)
02:33:04<@JAA>They eventually figured out how to block it after I and a few others allegedly abused it too much.
02:33:10<steering>but they pretty much only filtered HTTPS
02:33:12<steering>err
02:33:15<steering>s/S$//
02:34:00<steering>a few sites were blocked at IP/DNS level, like maybe Facebook or whatever, but almost everything was only blocked by a transparent HTTP-only content filter
02:34:21<@JAA>I don't recall content filters.
02:34:35<@JAA>And security in general was very lax. It was trivial to get admin access and install stuff.
02:34:45<steering>my last year they finally started blocking HTTPS (presumably with a internal CA, I never really inspected it)
02:35:52<@JAA>I installed Firefox on a bunch of machines, for a start.
02:35:53<steering>you couldn't f.e. download EXEs or anything, and C: was hidden (so you couldn't access it in explorer.exe, but you could still open any application that was in the start menu - MS Word was a favorite - and use the Open dialog to do it)...
02:36:04<steering>but you could just bring in EXEs on a usb drive or a cd or whatever
02:36:21<@JAA>Yeah, I think I had to switch to that eventually.
02:36:41<steering>no disk encryption of course and they didn't bother with bios passwords or anything (not that it would've helped) so you could ntpasswd it if you wanted or whatever
02:36:48<steering>I found an IT staffer's password at one point
02:37:03<steering>something like C:\Other\Keys\AutoAdmin Logon\AutoAdmin Logon (1).bat
02:37:10<steering>or .reg or who knows
02:37:33<steering>thank you for "meirei" mr e803870 (dont worry it's long since stopped working :P)
02:38:07<steering>not only did he have admin he could also see lots of the shared drives
02:38:34<steering>and *every* computer had a C:\Other\Keys\AutoAdmin Logon\AutoAdmin Logon.bat or whatever with its .\Administrator password in it
02:39:00<steering>(some of them even had proper permissions set so i couldn't read it but that was rare)
02:40:28<steering>anyway I just brought in putty.exe and FirefoxPortable.exe on a USB stick and copied them over to my shared drive. the year after I left, they started blocking outbound traffic (not just over port 22, didnt work on 443 or 2222 either as i recall)
02:40:43<steering>told my friend who was using it "welp sorry lol"
02:49:38<@JAA>Aw
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04:04:03pabs remembers fondly the days of installing Cygwin on university library computers :)
04:04:41<pabs>and avoiding network quotas in the squid proxy by requesting URLs twice
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04:51:47<pabs>https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/getting-ready-to-issue-ip-address-certificates/238777
04:55:25<@JAA>Nice
04:57:12<@JAA>I wonder why DNS-01 is excluded. Couldn't that be done via the reverse zones? Or can you not create TXT records on those?
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08:26:56<murb>JAA: you can of course.
08:27:07<murb>but i'd guess no so many people have access to them.
08:29:21<murb>typically the people with control of the reverse zone will be some kind of service provider, sure they could also intercept HTTP requests but still.
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17:01:31<steering>pabs: wat @ avoiding quotas???
17:02:21<steering>I wnet to a private school as well which just had a squid-based content filter, it wasn't actually enforced anywhere but the secondary computer lab though. (I'm the one who set up that firewall rule for them. They didn't know it but I also knew the root password so I could turn it off any time I felt like.)
17:02:56<steering>that was literally over half my lifetime ago, sheesh
17:03:14<steering>also OOOOOOOH heck yeah IP certs
17:05:12<steering>lol @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1973855 firefox just assumes there's a double-colon somewhere in the IPv6 address
17:06:19<steering>oh no, just a bad regex that takes :0001 as == ::1
17:11:28<steering>murb: DNS-01 already often involves "some kind of service provider" and an API
17:22:45<murb>hosting forward zones yourself is rather more common.
17:28:14<@JAA>Hmm yeah, unless you own your IP space, I guess you wouldn't usually get a delegation of the reverse zone, and your provider might not want to let you set anything but PTR.
17:28:33<@JAA>Still a silly restriction for the case where you do have control of it.
17:42:23<nicolas17>https://1.6.0.0.8.0.0.b.e.d.0.a.2.ip6.arpa/@domi/statuses/01JJS6BMXVDJTQFTRVX4ZKR2GW
17:42:37<nicolas17>"According to all known laws of DNS, there is no way a fedi instance could be hosted on an .ARPA domain. Even if you get ahold of a domain like this, it should only be used for PTR records - right? The instance, of course, federates anyway - because DNS doesn't care what humans think is impossible"
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17:53:01<murb>nicolas17: i recall having mx records in a reverse zone ;)
17:53:48<nicolas17>cursed
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18:08:24<murb>i still do!
18:09:39<steering>JAA: its not *that* difficult to find a provider who will install NS records for you.
18:10:26<steering>murb: HTTP and ALPN are rather more common ;)
18:12:11<@JAA>steering: Go on...
18:14:28<steering>IDR who it was, been like a decade now, but there was someone on LEB who was like "sure i'll do that"
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18:20:33<@JAA>Ah yeah, it is something I'd expect to see on LEB.
19:03:01<steering>yeah, basically.
19:03:10<steering>I presume the only reason not to is abuse concerns really
19:04:08<steering>(Even though I'm sure there are also still plenty of providers who just let you set an arbitrary PTR without checking it)
19:15:10<steering>TIL backronym for .arpa: Address and Routing Parameter Area
19:19:08<@JAA>Yep, I've had things like host.invalid in PTR records for years.
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20:01:41<murb>oh I still have some rfc2317 foo + zone delegated to me for a place I've not been a customer of for *many* years.
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