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01:58:34<@JAA>Got a spam email 'Is your wiki still running MediaWiki 1.39 or perhaps even outdated?'. Rude.
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03:29:22<BlankEclair>they have a bone to pick with fandom then
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04:49:52<nicolas17>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/rRPKS/countryCodes.txt Apple Maps uses numeric country codes internally... what the hell is that country order?
04:55:15<nicolas17>after 76 it seems to be mostly alphabetical, but in 0-75 I don't know what's going on
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07:43:28<that_lurker>JAA: You should reply to them and say its not running outdated version it's ☆vintage☆
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12:25:32<masterx244|m><that_lurker> "JAA: You should reply to them..." <- saw a nice sticker on a event recently saying "Denkmalgeschützte IT-Infrastruktrur" which loosely translates to "historic IT-Infrastructure" which is a nice pun since that should not exist in production
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13:38:02<masterx244|m>(those that were at 38c3 might have spotted those stickers at the various tables, too, thats a common one appearing regularly at those events)
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17:26:21<that_lurker>another Steam sale another time they are unsuccessful at properly scaling their system to handle the load
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17:48:50<@JAA>masterx244|m: lol, nice!
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18:48:29<nukke>all the games I wanted sold out before I could log in :(
18:48:38<nukke>stupid slow servers
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19:56:18<that_lurker>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Lxkt50xOg
19:56:38<that_lurker>PewDiePie has arrived at stage 2 of being a linux user
20:02:28<katia>did he install nixos
20:02:35<katia>oh wow
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21:08:00<hexa_>no, archlinux in an android vm
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22:30:30<BlankEclair>ERROR: [youtube] u_Lxkt50xOg: Video unavailable. This video is restricted. Please check the Google Workspace administrator and/or the network administrator restrictions.
22:30:37<BlankEclair>lol what? what did pewdiepie _do_?
22:32:57<BlankEclair>or maybe my network blocked pewds altogether
22:33:54<Fijxu|m>Your network
22:38:42<BlankEclair>https://support.google.com/a/answer/6214622
22:38:44<BlankEclair>ooh, this is interesting
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22:55:55<BlankEclair>can confirm that the dns rebind was happening
22:56:32<@JAA>If only there were some kind of mechanism to verify authenticity of DNS responses.
22:57:53<BlankEclair>dns is actually unmodified
22:58:15<BlankEclair>there's some sort of proxy between my laptop and the outer internet that can change where the request is sent to
22:58:28<BlankEclair>it's determined via sni
22:58:40<BlankEclair>luckily, i already wrote a whole script that lets me change the sni xD
22:58:57<@JAA>If only there were some kind of mechanism to encrypt the ClientHello.
22:59:28<BlankEclair>they blocked cloudflare-sni.com fyi
22:59:40<BlankEclair>obv, google doesn't use cf, but still :p
22:59:47<BlankEclair>(does google have ech?)
22:59:48<@JAA>Naturally
22:59:56<@JAA>No idea re Google
23:00:20<@JAA>But cloudflare-sni.com is ESNI, not ECH, right?
23:00:34<BlankEclair>hasn't ech supersceded esni?
23:00:35<BlankEclair>anyway, gtg
23:01:01<@JAA>Hmm yeah, more or less.
23:01:14<@JAA>But cloudflare-ech.com is a thing.
23:01:54<@JAA>And I've heard a lot more about ESNI blocking than ECH, although I'm sure that'll change unless ECH is rolled out broadly.
23:04:37<nicolas17>once upon a time you could track iPhone users because the device connected to the push notification service with a client certificate
23:04:54<nicolas17>and before TLS 1.3, client certs are sent in plaintext during the handshake
23:05:22<@JAA>1.3 changed that? Nice.
23:05:31<@JAA>I haven't really looked too much into all the things that changed with 1.3.
23:05:47<nicolas17>yeah, but back then (iOS 10?) Apple patched it in a different way
23:07:18<nicolas17>new protocol no longer uses TLS client-cert auth, it does its own authentication in the first data packet, by then the encrypted connection is fully established
23:08:01<@JAA>Reasonable enough
23:08:34<nicolas17>TLS 1.3: "Encrypt all handshake messages after the ServerHello, including server certificate"
23:08:54<@JAA>Right
23:09:26<nicolas17>sounds like ESNI/ECH tries to go even further in that direction
23:13:19<@JAA>Yes, the ClientHello gets encrypted with a key communicated over DNS. Which means you need to secure DNS, ideally with DNSSEC of course.
23:16:10<steering>rip HPKP :P
23:16:36<@JAA>DoT with ECH could be fun. :-D
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23:27:46<nicolas17>https://bsky.app/profile/logicbutton.bsky.social/post/3l3le6oi7vm2b
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