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01:23:01<nicolas17>pabs: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxml2/-/issues/913#note_2439345
01:23:54<pabs>"The point is that libxml2 never had the quality to be used in mainstream browsers or operating systems to begin with."
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01:49:36<@JAA>joepie91|m: I fail to see a meaningful difference between posting something on your website vs your microblog. In both (and many more) cases, the user publishes content, in a very literal sense of the word 'publish': make *publicly* available. It's the digital equivalent to releasing a book, magazine, or pamphlet into the world. And the digital equivalent to libraries, capturing and preserving this
01:49:42<@JAA>published content, is web archival.
01:53:48<@JAA>And regarding your remarks on consent: by publishing something, you already give consent to this preservation. That's part of the social contract of a publication, but it's also true in a legal sense in many (most?) jurisdictions through the archival exemptions in copyright law. Some places even mandate the preservation of all published content (although it's always going to be imperfect).
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03:12:59<nicolas17>welp
03:13:09<nicolas17>turned on the electric oven, power went out *for me alone* and I heard a pop outside
03:13:26<nicolas17>everything suggests a fuse blew on the side that is the utility company's responsibility, somehow without my own fuses or breakers tripping first ??
03:15:31<@JAA>F
03:17:29<@JAA>I'm no electrician, but I guess I'd want those fuses/breakers checked. The fuse on the company side should have a *much* higher rating than any on your side.
03:18:08<@JAA>Then again, the electrical systems around your place seem to be, uh, special.
03:18:18<nicolas17>yeah odds are good the fuses on the company side were fucked :P
03:18:33<nicolas17>one time the lid on that fuse box fell off with strong winds
03:18:39<nicolas17>I called the power company immediately
03:18:45<nicolas17>nothing happened
03:18:55<@JAA><this_is_fine.png>
03:19:11<nicolas17>2 weeks later it rained, and power predictably went out as those exposed circuits got wet
03:19:20<@JAA>Amazing
03:19:28<hexa_>is that murica?
03:19:35<nicolas17>I called again, and along with reporting the power outage, I said "by the way, I have this ticket 123456 from earlier, could you check the status of that"
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03:20:03<nicolas17>"it's closed? I see... why??" *awkward silence*
03:20:28<@JAA>Should've closed the lid instead.
03:20:38<@JAA>(They)
03:21:54<nicolas17>then they showed up, repaired the power, closed the lid, and held it together with electric tape instead of replacing the rusted-to-death metal screw that held it before
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03:23:03<nicolas17>it would have been extra fun if that metal lid fell from the top of the power pole onto a car, just nobody happened to be parked there at the time
03:23:51<@JAA>Oh, the fuse box is mounted on a pole?
03:24:18<nicolas17>idek if there's fuses in there or just the connections to different houses
03:24:34<@JAA>Ah
03:24:49<@JAA>Overground fine distribution lines are rare here.
03:25:32<@JAA>You'll basically only find that in quite remote places.
03:25:52<nicolas17>yeah, it seems like in most of europe, if you got florida-grade hurricanes, you'd *still* not get power outages
03:27:25<@JAA>Eh, it could happen, but it usually would affect a larger area via the large, high-voltage lines getting hit by a tree or similar.
03:27:36<@JAA>Individual houses, yeah, not happening.
03:28:24<nicolas17>one time I was complaining about power outages and a friend from germany was like "I *think* we had a power outage once when I was 5"
03:28:30<nicolas17>T_T
03:28:52<@JAA>Yeah, about right. I don't remember when I last had an unplanned outage.
03:29:21<@JAA>s/when/if/ I guess.
03:32:48<nicolas17>ok I can't stand the UPS beep anymore, time to go offline and sleep
03:32:59<@JAA>It does occasionally happen in mountain valleys. Not long ago, there was a storm that caused some landslides and took out the single power line into the Mattertal. Zermatt et al. were without power for a while there, and also without mobile phone connections mostly because the antennas don't have indefinite fuel reserves for the generators either.
03:34:02<@JAA>But most people don't live there.
03:34:22<@JAA>'time to go offline and sleep' sounds good to me, too. Good night!
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03:56:45<pabs>https://socket.dev/blog/libxml2-maintainer-ends-embargoed-vulnerability-reports
03:56:58<pabs>!kfind nebraska
03:56:59<eggdrop>[karma] 'nebraska' not found.
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12:01:21<kpcyrd>there's somebody asking for backup storage for 8tb of radio records (by the station itself). I think archive.org would be a good fit, but are there ways to ease the initial upload?
12:01:50<kpcyrd>I recall some people creating a torrent and uploading that way
12:16:24<@arkiver>kpcyrd: that's definitely a good fit for IA yes
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15:29:03<@JAA>The hell, SpaceX? https://www.spacex.com/updates/ supposedly contains an update on the slightly too dynamic static fire test. Instead, I get things from 2022 and earlier.
15:29:44<@JAA>They load the newer content with JS, I guess. lol
15:30:10<@JAA>JavaScript--
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15:30:52<@JAA>But returning partial old data in the HTML isn't your average, everyday stupid.
15:33:57<@JAA>(No real news, just confirmation that it's a potential COPV failure.)
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16:19:57<katia>kpcyrd: parallel connections, or torrent is a thing i think indeed
16:20:15<katia>JAA’s little things has a thing for multipart uploads i think
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18:10:45<@JAA>Yes (but this is the off-topic channel, so that is off-topic here).
18:15:36<katia>right
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20:45:20<@OrIdow6>JAA: Some people "publish" stuff online intending it to be private
20:45:38<@OrIdow6>I don't think there's a social contract involved
20:46:04<@OrIdow6>A mutual understanding among technical people about how search engines etc can find things
21:02:07<joepie91|m>JAA: consent is not a legal thing, so the legal argument is irrelevant, and 'social contract' is a nice wildcard excuse for basically anything and completely sidesteps the actual problem here. look, if you don't care about consent, then just say that, instead of inventing all sorts of 'universal justifications' and pseudo-legal defenses. people consent to specific things, and if they have not done so, then you do not have consent and you
21:02:07<joepie91|m>*cannot assume consent*, and that is something you *have* to take into consideration when making decisions, alongside other factors. and no, "they consented to this one thing so they also consented to this other thing" is *not* how consent works, and if you think it does, then jesus christ you really need to read up on the concept because this is going to have consequences elsewhere in life and I'm not even sure where to begin at that
21:02:07<joepie91|m>point.
21:04:14<nicolas17>joepie91|m: what archiveteam project has followed the consent of content owners to your standards?
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23:04:08<@JAA>joepie91|m: Perhaps I didn't make that part clear enough: the legal part is not an argument but a consequence and formalisation of the social contract that has existed for millennia. If you published anything at a time when that was hard, expensive, and thus restricted to a fortunate few, you expected it to end up in libraries. Of course, the entire idea was to be able to learn from the accumulated
23:04:14<@JAA>writings of others before you and to contribute to this collection, with persistence of your publication into the future being an integral part. That is the social contract I'm referring to. Which directly leads to your misunderstanding about how I view consent: on the basis of this social contract around publishing, there are no two separate things to consent to here. Publishing something, i.e.
23:04:20<@JAA>releasing something to the general public, means you consent to anyone reading your publication, and that includes future readers. And yes, this means that publication is necessarily an irreversible step, so it is not possible to withdraw this consent later. (There are various cases of consent that must be revocable, but there are also many where it shouldn't or even can't be.)
23:15:04<@JAA>OrIdow6: Mistakes happen, but an opt-out system is fine for them in my eyes. Other than that, I would certainly say that there's a lot of room for improved education around the topic, in particular around the power and responsibilities that come with being able to publish content to the entire world at a whim and virtually zero cost. I don't think the details of search engines etc. are of any
23:15:10<@JAA>relevance, and you can map pretty much everything in this area to the equivalent from the analogue archive world: search engines (library catalogues) can only find content that was acquired from the web (marketplaces, book dealers, etc.) into their corpus (library collection).
23:17:06<@JAA>(Re social contract, see above.)
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23:52:15<steering>lol @ fedi doesn't involve the intention to become popular and recognized
23:53:52<steering>Don't try to convince Archive Team about that archiving is bad. We make very few exceptions when it's about archiving. Also, our rule of thumb is "archive first, ask questions later".[6][7][8] Our IRC channels are the #1 worst place to ask "why we are keeping this"![9]

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