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04:03:39<nicolas17>I had a power outage that lasted about 20 minutes
04:03:54<nicolas17>and the UPS lasted about 2 seconds so I gotta buy a battery tomorrow...
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04:26:27<pabs>did the UPS not alert about the battery?
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06:27:56<nukke>time to invest in LiPo4
08:18:58<mete>time to invest into configuration... never had this issue as I periodically run self-test and calibrartion...
08:46:54<steering>most (consumer-ish) UPS aren't configurable... and the self tests are pretty worthless tbh
08:48:34<steering>don't think i've ever had one without some sort of (claimed) self test and yet i've seen many that should run for 15 minutes but can't run for half a minute :P
08:48:56<murb>build something like: https://kittenlabs.de/dc-ups/ ?
08:49:30<steering>I knew someone who used uhh... let's see if I can find it
08:49:39<steering>I can https://www.mini-box.com/NUC-UPS
08:49:55<steering>(they've got a few similar products)
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11:04:02<mete>I only used APC ones, they put all the load on the battery during self test...
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13:11:52<myself>Mini-Box's quality is variable and hardware often ships with firmware that's years out of date (was very confused when advertised features didn't work, until checking the firmware version), but when it works, it works well.
13:13:32<myself>Same re APCs though, my SmartUPS 750 started screaming at me a few months ago because it would do self-test, the aging batteries would fail to hold the load, and it would flip immediately back to AC. Impossible to ignore. Those batteries got ordered _quick_.
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14:27:17<SammySkye>hello I'm new to "The Lounge" IRC, wondering if there's a way to see the message history of a channel?
14:30:12<@JAA>The Lounge--
14:30:14<eggdrop>[karma] 'The Lounge' now has -65 karma!
14:30:43<@JAA>SammySkye: IRC doesn't have message history playback (yet).
14:35:04<SammySkye>ah, wondering where the chat logs are then (I assume "publicly logged" means I'd be able to access them somehow)
14:35:27<@arkiver>"yet" - does JAA know something we all don't know?
14:36:05<pabs>IRCv3 has some stuff for that IIRC
14:40:38<nukke>Snoonet does have chat playback on join. I think they use Unreal?
14:42:04<@JAA>arkiver: IRCv3 has had a WIP spec for years. It's still not finalised, and only very few servers and clients support it.
14:42:17<@arkiver>interesting
14:42:20<@JAA>https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory
14:42:22<@arkiver>it sounds weird though
14:42:37<@arkiver>i feel it's something that came up in the Discord-age, to try to compete
14:43:00<@JAA>Possibly, but it's been a prime complaint about IRC for decades.
14:43:48<SammySkye>not really a complaint on my part, just a curiosity
14:48:16<SammySkye>my friend Ryz has been talking about their archiving for a while, only recently figured I'd check it out. Also this is my first time using IRC
14:51:02<@arkiver>oh hey you're new through Ryz ? :)
14:51:04<@arkiver>welcome!
14:51:12<@arkiver>yeah Ryz is a long term member of AT
14:51:21<@arkiver>SammySkye: interesting in web archiving i guess?
14:51:37<@JAA>Yeah, 'common issue' is a better way to phrase it, I guess. It's one of about three main remaining issues with IRC. The other two are long/multiline messages and session resumption (to avoid join/quit spam with shortlived connections).
14:52:35<@JAA>Long and multiline messages also have a WIP IRCv3 spec that's kind of stalled over formatting disagreements currently.
14:53:13<@JAA>There was an attempt at session resumption years ago, but that died, and I'm not aware of anyone pursuing it again.
14:53:24<SammySkye>arkiver I've always believed that information should be preserved and free, just never knew where to start with it until Ryz showed me :)
14:55:01<SammySkye>JAA I've not really used other messaging environments other than Discord (and Skype back in the day), really interesting to experience such a clean interface lol
14:55:54<@JAA>Yeah, IRC is wonderfully simple. You could even write the actual protocol messages by hand without too much inconvenience.
14:56:07<@JAA>PRIVMSG #archiveteam-ot :This is a message.
14:57:26<@JAA>For the initial question, yes, there are supposed to be publicly accessible logs, they're just not operational currently.
14:57:39<@JAA>Things are still being logged; it's just an access thing.
14:57:42@JAA waves at atirclog.
14:59:48<SammySkye>that's fair
15:05:58<@arkiver>SammySkye: we'll have some nice projects starting soon and various running continuously :)
15:06:04<@arkiver>so we'll find some interesting stuff i hope
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15:08:21<SammySkye>yea I got two machines running the warrior on the telegram project rn
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15:12:03<@arkiver>well there they go :P
15:12:13<@arkiver>need to setup a bouncer (i know it's a pain, been through that a long time ago)
15:15:00<@JAA>But does your bouncer work? ;-)
15:15:06<@arkiver>YES
15:15:20@arkiver slams the door and walks out
15:15:28<@JAA>:-P
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16:14:47<SammySkye>I'm back from purgatory... learning a lot about this irc client, ugh
16:21:44<Ryz>Heya, unfortunately, Sammy's been having some trouble because of the way The Lounge is set up on Hackint when first checking it through hackint's website
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16:22:15<@JAA>Yeah, that 'public mode' is even more broken than TL in general.
16:22:28<@JAA>Which is impressive, really.
16:27:44<myself>eh, TL's been flawless for me for... ooh coming up on 800 days. I don't understand the shade.
16:27:50<SammySkye>The Lounge--
16:27:50<eggdrop>[karma] 'The Lounge' now has -66 karma!
16:29:14<@JAA>myself: It's bad enough that I wrote a list of its problems despite not even using it myself: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/User:JustAnotherArchivist/The_Lounge
16:31:40<@imer>The Lounge++
16:31:44<eggdrop>[karma] 'The Lounge' now has -65 karma!
16:31:56<@imer>"its fine"
16:33:09<that_lurker>Would maybe be a good idea to setup our own guest webirc that would point to -bs or here by default.
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16:33:41<SammySkye>The++
16:33:42<eggdrop>[karma] 'The' now has 1 karma!
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16:35:07<SammySkye>what is a scrollback
16:36:08<SammySkye>it looks like all of the channels get created when I join them, and all message history just vanishes when I leave
16:37:58<@JAA>that_lurker: Are you volunteering?
16:38:35<that_lurker>JAA: I can look into it and see what happens :-P
16:39:10<@JAA>SammySkye: Scrollback is the chat history you can see by, well, scrolling back in time (usually up). It's kept in memory, as opposed to logs, which are usually on disk.
16:39:25<@JAA>that_lurker: I propose CGI:IRC. :-)
16:39:43<@JAA>(Also, you'll need to talk to the network ops re connection limits etc.)
16:42:10<that_lurker>Yeah. If that takes out the random #hackint joins I think h_exa- would allow it :-P
16:43:42<myself>I imagine a web-client that only joins people to a -welcome channel where only a bot is voiced, and the bot just lists the channels they may want to join along with the purpose of each. So no occupied channel is spammed with joins.
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16:46:36<SammySkye>Purple++
16:46:37<eggdrop>[karma] 'Purple' now has 1 karma!
16:48:26<SammySkye>JAA interesting, just reading a bunch of the wiki articles you guys have written
16:56:09<kiska>SammySkye: btw Ryz is currently unavailable I am doing maintenance on the machine he is on
16:57:43<kiska>Should you wish for an user on his instance you may request it, and I may add one
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16:59:05<kiska>There we go :D
17:05:22<Ryz>~@~o;
17:05:26<Ryz>*~@~;
17:17:23<SammySkye>kiska sure thing, where would I sign up for it?
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17:47:26<SammySkye>Ryz++
17:47:26<eggdrop>[karma] 'Ryz' now has 64 karma!
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18:17:38<nicolas17>it feels so weird that the Apple Developer app lets you buy 10000 compute hours of Xcode Cloud for $3,999.99 *using In-App Purchases*
18:18:10<@imer>not making any loss on the cut I suppose, so why not
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23:52:58<kiska>SammySkye: Send me an email at me@kiska.pw and I might reply back with an user account on his instance

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