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01:41:13<pabs>nitter.net is back: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/discussions/1212
01:42:20<pabs>(and rewriting from Nim to Go)
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01:56:55<nulldata>Nice! Should spin up an instance for AB so we can finally start working on that long Twitter etherpad again lol
01:57:39<nicolas17>might need some usgov prioritization nowadays...
02:00:58<nulldata>Especially given President Elon has direct access to the delete account button
02:02:14<nicolas17>"I hate it when my ailing king is usurped by his scheming foreign vizier"
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02:12:16<pabs>sounds like it is expensive to run an instance
02:13:20<that_lurker>"for a small/private instance you can do it for free quite easily"
02:14:01<that_lurker>so maybe limit the instance to only AB pipeline ips + select few :-)
02:15:07<pabs>sounds good
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02:33:02<that_lurker>what was the link to the etherpad again. How many urls has it accumulated already?
02:35:00<pabs>a ton https://pad.notkiska.pw/p/archivebot-twitter
02:37:29<pabs>steering: can you change eggdrop to use nitter.net for Twitter -> Nitter URLs? xcancel.com has a JS-only captcha, while nitter.net just works (nitter.privacydev.net works too)
02:38:19<@JAA>The captcha is especially annoying because they have a non-JS fallback, but it's broken.
02:42:37<nicolas17>gaaaah power outage
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02:46:19<nicolas17>back...
02:47:02<LunarianBunny1147>o/
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03:05:08<nicolas17>and out again
03:05:16<@imer>:(
03:06:41<nicolas17>and back
03:07:03<nicolas17>11:42pm seems like not late enough to be doing repairs if they cared to reduce disruption
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03:34:31<nulldata>Yeah the answers site was infuriating when you followed from a Google search. Going back would just put you in a loop back to the same page
03:35:27<nulldata>Woops
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04:23:55<steering>pabs: nitter.privacydev.net breaks regularly
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05:51:08<pabs>ok. sounds like nitter.net won't be
05:51:26<pabs>unrelated link: "The selfish [open source] contributor revisited" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1007426/7f074effcf11f675/
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05:53:49<steering>it should already be nitter.net
05:53:57<steering>don't think it's been tried yet
05:56:38<pabs>tested, thanks :)
05:56:44<pabs>steering++
05:56:44<eggdrop>[karma] 'steering' now has 42 karma!
05:57:38<steering>looks like nitter.net was used before nitter.privacydev.net, may have had a cert issue at some point
05:57:49<steering>presumably that's fixed for good now
06:10:25<@JAA>nitter.net was broken and down for a long while.
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09:13:55<pabs>nextcloud 2FA vulns https://www.bsi.bund.de/DE/Service-Navi/Presse/Alle-Meldungen-News/Meldungen/Projekt-CAOS-30_Nextcloud_250205.html
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15:55:08<nukke>https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/05/mixing_rust_and_c_linux
15:57:33<nukke>"Hector Martin, project lead of Ashai[sic] Linux, shared his belief that Hellwig's remarks constitute a Code of Conduct violation but doubts any disciplinary action would be taken."
15:57:38<nukke>"On Friday (03:21:46 UTC+9), Hector Martin asked to be removed as a Linux maintainer."
15:57:42<nukke>RIP
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17:41:35<nicolas17>question about archivebot, how to deal with impatience when jobs take too long :v
17:45:18<AK>Run some other jobs to distract you 😂
17:49:27<myself>Go outside and touch snow or something, idk I think it's overrated.
17:49:42<nicolas17>what's snow
17:50:19<nicolas17>last snow in my area was one day in 2007, previous one was in 1918
17:50:25<myself>my location installed it in place of grass a few weeks ago. I think it's a poor substitute.
17:51:28<that_lurker>join #archivebot-alerts and get annoyed by the notification from there :-P
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19:22:13<kitonthenet>nukke: that fuckin sucks, I use asahi... (at least I will be able to switch to reform next later this year)
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19:43:36<kitonthenet>reading through this the kernel developer community seems like ass ngl
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20:09:38<@OrIdow6>kitonthenet: Yeah, I'm sympathetic to what he says and it does sound like there's a lot of experiece behind it, but linux kernel developers seem uniformly be the meanest people on Earth
20:09:42<@OrIdow6>See also the bcachefs guy
20:09:59<nicolas17>probably self-selecting
20:10:09<nicolas17>non-mean people don't survive in that environment and leave
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20:10:49<@OrIdow6>yeah
20:11:43@OrIdow6 refrains from similarly ascribing a personality attribute to this organization
20:12:29<tc424>linux kernel community has always been a bit "fight club"
20:12:41<tc424>but now it's getting old and ossified as well
20:13:27<tc424>I don't know if they realise they've got to attract (and keep) a new generation of devs at some point
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20:29:20<kitonthenet>is the bsd community better?
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20:31:33<tc424>I was wondering that
20:32:03<tc424>I mean, Theo and OpenBSD used have a rep at least as bad as Linus's, but that could be very out of date :)
20:32:12<kitonthenet>tc424: I think they do know that, and I've heard people talk about wikipedia similarly (e.g. why doesn't the number of wikipedia contributors grow with the number of users?) and in both cases I think the prevailing community norms demand civil responses to plainly uncivil statements and there's only so many people that that's an attractive dynamic to
20:32:53<tc424>yeah, and even 'politely' blocking anyone coming along with new ideas over and over again is going to make them lose their cool eventually
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20:33:24<tc424>and then they get jumped on for their tone, which wouldn't have been out of the ordinary for lkml until a few years ago
20:34:09<nicolas17>https://producingoss.com/en/difficult-people.html
20:34:24<tc424>it's sad, there are guys who I vaguely know (in an online sense), who have been maintainers for decades now, and generally are still good people
20:34:55<tc424>but they suddenly give off this overwhelming sense of smugness when someone new finally snaps and says what they really think
20:35:25<tc424>oh look we caught him out, but we're OK because we're the "establishment"
20:36:07<tc424>a hard fork of Linux seems insane and impossible, but I don't know what the alternatives are at this point
20:36:46<nicolas17>tc424: https://bsky.app/profile/nicolas17.xyz/post/3lgnu4wms5k2e
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20:37:37<tc424>hah
20:37:50<kitonthenet>coming around to this too, especially after how mastodon user dansup has been acting recently https://postmeritocracy.org/
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20:38:50<tc424>ah, I've tried not to get sucked into that one
20:38:56<tc424>I had high hopes for his stuff
20:39:15<tc424>but he did always come across as very young and maybe a bit hypomanic
20:39:22<tc424>I was worried something was going to go wrong
20:40:19<kitonthenet>it's kind of fun that he's the sole moderator of the biggest fediverse node
20:40:56<tc424>kitonthenet: that link does sound like a better approach, yeah. I mean I was an arsehole when I was 20, but I've been slowly growing out of it, even if it has taken another quarter of a century :)
20:40:57<kitonthenet>so there's like 300k instagram users who's only point of reference for decentralized social media is pixelfed user dansup
20:41:33<tc424>I'm hoping there's someone out there he respects/trusts who can step in and help him and steer things a bit
20:41:48<tc424>because it would be a shame for what he actually created to self-destruct
20:41:55<kitonthenet>i would hope so too, but he seems pretty paranoid
20:41:57<tc424>right when it's most needed
20:42:18<kitonthenet>especially with the gotosocial/"you were lying for clout" stuff
20:43:36<nukke>kitonthenet: what did dansup do? I thought he was doing good work with Pixelfed
20:43:58<tc424>kitonthenet: yeah, I tried not to get into the details, because I know I don't know enough to judge
20:44:10<kitonthenet>actualy idk I'm kinda waiting this version of decentralized social out tbh, I see what spritely is doing (https://spritely.institute/ ) and that seems like very obviously the future of where this is going
20:44:22<tc424>whereas I feel fractionally more justified in pontificating about the linux kernel issues :)
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20:45:10<tc424>I'm a miserable old git who doesn't really take photos any more let alone deal with video, so I'm happy with irc and mastodon ;-)
20:45:43<tc424>but yeah, everything is so crazy at the moment I have no sense of where it will end up
20:45:48<nukke>lucky for you, imagemagick can convert JPEG files to ASCII
20:46:01<tc424>meanwhile "The Online Safety Act" is about to cause total chaos in the UK :(
20:46:02<nukke>So you can have the best of both worlds and still take photos
20:46:33<tc424>everything's going totally bonkers all at once
20:46:49<kitonthenet>nukke, with the gts stuff specifically, he runs fedidb which aggregates stats on fediverse, and noticed that gotosocial has unreasonable stats, and worse they seemed inconsistent. So he goes off about how gts is trying to lie for clout and that's so wrong and etc etc. turns out it's a documented feature to obfuscate how many users any gts instance has, and in robots.txt they specifically
20:46:55<kitonthenet>disallow the kind of scraping fedidb was doing
20:47:06<kitonthenet>there's some other stuff too that I don't know much about
20:47:44<kitonthenet>so ig tldr is he's doing good work on the software, but he's kind of drama farming on main
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20:48:02<tc424>seems a fair summary :)
20:48:14<tc424>I think fedi has more drama than Fidonet did back in the day, which is saying something
20:48:47<kitonthenet>I think that's to be expected, the medium is the message, admin drama used to be legendary, it's only fitting that smaller socials bring it back
20:49:04<tc424>yeah
20:49:27<tc424>and still preferable to the hell of the big social media services whose moderation was always apparently automated randomness
20:49:30<kitonthenet>aren't u guys (UK) trying to ban encryption again
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20:49:54<tc424>we seem to be trying to tell the rest of the world what to do on a number of fronts, yeah
20:50:00<kitonthenet>100% I'll take every bit of dansup wackiness over zuckerberg fomenting a genocide in myanmar any day
20:50:09<tc424>someone seems to have forgotten we're not a world power any more, and that nobody cares
20:50:17<tc424>everyone will just geoblock us and move on
20:50:29<kitonthenet>Don't worry, we in the US are about to join you :)
20:50:51<tc424>yeah, in all seriousness, the world order is about to shift rapidly and I have no idea what the end result will be
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20:51:23<tc424>except that as an exhausted middle-age person I doubt I will enjoy it
20:51:59<tc424>I do need to start shifting my data off centralized services though, particularly US-based ones
20:52:06<tc424>nuked my dropbox account today finally, that's a start
20:52:58<kitonthenet>I'm actually relatively hopeful from my side of the atlantic, I think these guys are still relatively weak (they have the government but not the culture, which is what they really need) and this is all deeply unpopular, and a big kick in the pants to the left side of things
20:53:28<kitonthenet>oh yeah, the big tech is going down, one way or another
20:53:57<kitonthenet>which is why I'm on IRC and ranting about decentralized social media, and procrastinating working on p2p oss stuff :)
20:55:14<tc424>I'm trying to work out why I just can't flatcar to boot successfully in a VM
20:55:30<tc424>I assume I'm "holding it wrong" somehow
20:55:35<kitonthenet>what's flatcar?
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20:59:04<tc424>https://www.flatcar.org/
20:59:17<tc424>just a simple way of running docker containers, basically :)
20:59:27<tc424>simple in theory
21:00:04<tc424>I could probably have configured nixos faster, but I assumed this would be simple, and now I'm obsessed with finding out the problem and can't let it go
21:00:07<tc424>as ever :)
21:04:23<kitonthenet>i have a love hate relationship with this stuff, I love it because containers are great (most of the time) but it's so frustrating because containers should be made to be so easy, they're standard features of linux
21:05:01<kitonthenet>but so often people are making tools for enterprise scale stuff, which has a totally separate set of requirements from what everyone else is doing
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21:11:58<tc424>yeah, a lot of it is far too heavyweight
21:12:16<tc424>weirdly, I taught myself container stuff using systemd-nspawn, and only then progressed from there to docker
21:12:33<tc424>nspawn is really lightweight and relatively simple, docker is a horror in comparison
21:13:08<tc424>but depressingly using what everyone else uses ends up being a lower maintenance burden a lot of the time
21:13:23<tc424>I'm getting more and more into nixos though
21:13:33<tc424>which is both infuriating and addictive in equal measure
21:15:32<tc424>gah, nixvirt interpreted "readonly = false" as true
21:15:42<tc424>as it's supposed to be yes/no
21:15:47<tc424>so read-only root device
21:16:00<kitonthenet>i've heard good things about it, is it the same idea as containers filesystem overlays?
21:16:34<kitonthenet>also if you want I've got a docker-compose that works with the warriors, the only dependency is docker and docker-compose on e.g. debian
21:17:51<tc424>nixos? nixos is properly bonkers. You basically declare the whole desired system configuration, and it goes away and creates it with hardcoded paths for everything, referring to the exact versions of everything used
21:18:18<tc424>so it tends to eat disk space, but it more or less solves dependency problems forever
21:18:53<tc424>and allows previous versions of the system configuration, including the exact versions of the binaries, to stick around at the same time
21:19:21<tc424>it's totally unlike anything else, and I'm finding it really hard to learn new stuff at my age
21:19:32<tc424>but it feels like it solves so many problems
21:19:43<tc424>oh, I wouldn't mind a look at your docker-compose, thanks
21:23:48<tc424>oh, just realised your question was probably about nspawn :)
21:27:51<kitonthenet>that's weird, it's almost like delta backups but as a live system
21:28:53<tc424>yeah, it sort has to be experienced
21:29:03<tc424>my explanation's terrible, I'm sure
21:29:30<tc424>you can actually install its package manager on top of an ordinary distro, and use it for installing newer versions of stuff than the distro ships
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21:29:37<tc424>and setting up declarative dev environments and things
21:30:02<tc424>it basically only touches stuff under /nix, and none of the stuff it puts there references anything outside /nix
21:30:09<kitonthenet>https://evatown.club/privatebin/?8cfd2478dc53c61e#9ssqShdxoNcSQidoUnjNU6M2X9dU4kfaxyHJ3AggGy5s
21:30:13<kitonthenet>password is archiveteam
21:30:15<tc424>so it's totally self-contained, doesn't pollute (or get polluted by) the underlying distro
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21:30:51<kitonthenet>that's wild
21:30:52<tc424>thanks, that looks nice and straightforward
21:31:08<tc424>I'll stash it somewhere, I think I'm about to give up for the night
21:31:15<kitonthenet>I think i took most of it from the wiki but I don't remember where exactly
21:31:16<tc424>medication and age are kicking in :)
21:31:45<kitonthenet>sounds good, nite!
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22:46:46<@imer>"Manage 1469 vendors" _WHY_ do you want to share my data with 1.5 THOUSAND companies!?
22:47:34@imer just wanted to look at a random blog post on home assistant + eink displays
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