| 00:03:56 | <steering> | yeah, I didn't read closely enough, I was already doing some and/or in the select as well, figured /obviously/ the unary boolean operator works the same as the binary boolean operators... nope! |
| 00:04:23 | <@JAA> | Oh yeah, I ran into that wall face-first before, too. |
| 00:04:49 | <@JAA> | Certainly an interesting design choice. :-) |
| 00:05:12 | <steering> | it kinda works better this way since the precedence is umm.. awkward |
| 00:05:14 | <@JAA> | Why not `[[true, false] | and, true] | or` then? :-D |
| 00:05:26 | <steering> | lol, yeah |
| 00:05:41 | <@JAA> | RPN is superior anyway. |
| 00:05:56 | <@JAA> | :-P |
| 00:06:25 | <@JAA> | Well, genuine RPN would just be `true false and true or`. |
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| 02:05:59 | <steering> | I finally got around last night/today to switching over to Firefox. |
| 02:06:12 | <steering> | 'cuz screw Google. |
| 02:10:14 | <steering> | fireonlive made me give Kagi a try, and while I don't love the idea that I'm basically paying them to scrape Bing or whatever, I do love that I can customize search results. so now I just need to replace Google Workspace and Android in my life... hah. |
| 02:10:46 | <hexa-> | I'm also on Kagi and that customizing the results has made searching for me much more non-broken |
| 02:11:20 | <hexa-> | we're a group of six on a family plan, so it gets reasonably cheap |
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| 02:11:24 | <steering> | yeah, I don't even have a whole lot of domain rules, but even just lifting stuff like wikipedia and banning stuff like quora is *chefs kiss* |
| 02:12:04 | <hexa-> | we're currently paying monthly, given that some of us were reluctant to commit to a year, given the escapades of their ceo |
| 02:12:14 | <steering> | Now I just need to convince my wife to switch, thankfully my kid is young enough that she doesn't really know Google |
| 02:12:20 | <hexa-> | most recently https://ioc.exchange/@troed/113311981054448887 |
| 02:13:02 | <steering> | I feel like I still trust Yandex more than Google. LOL |
| 02:13:21 | <steering> | I wasn't aware of that but yeah I've seen him kinda being a nut on HN as well before |
| 02:13:45 | <hexa-> | I also don't understand how they finance themselves |
| 02:14:37 | <hexa-> | with like 25k customers paying for example 15 USD/mo you'll get 375k USD |
| 02:14:55 | <hexa-> | how many people can you employ for that kind of money? |
| 02:15:08 | <hexa-> | 1 in san francisco? 3 in germany? |
| 02:15:57 | <hexa-> | > Kagi has been bootstrapped 2018 to 2023, with ~$3M initial funding from the founder. In 2023, Kagi raised $670K from Kagi users in its first external fundraise, followed by $1.88M raised in 2024, again from our users, bringing the number of users-investors to 93. |
| 02:16:19 | <hexa-> | and in 2024 |
| 02:16:21 | <hexa-> | > The team is now ~35 |
| 02:17:15 | <steering> | https://kagifeedback.org/assets/files/2024-10-24/1729808541-783997-screenshot-2024-10-24-at-152218.png lmao? |
| 02:18:29 | <steering> | and yeah, I wonder as well just how much of their income goes straight to costs |
| 02:19:23 | <steering> | I suspect they're paying a decent amount just for API access |
| 02:21:59 | <steering> | https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard I love how pinterest is not just the #1 blocked domain but takes the whole top 7 |
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| 02:28:56 | <hexa-> | wow, that is a smol machine for a database |
| 02:29:33 | <hexa-> | hosted at google cloud apparently |
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| 02:43:35 | <myself> | Huh. I rarely google much anymore, I just have a whole crapton of searchbar shortcuts to specific places. I don't google for movies, I imdb<tab> for them. I don't google for song lyrics, I genius<tab> for them. I don't google for semiconductors, I octopart<tab> for them. |
| 02:47:34 | <@JAA> | I use bookmarks with keywords for that (mostly equivalent to the now-removed custom search engine entries). 'wiki foo' in the URL bar goes to Wikipedia, 'atwiki foo' to the AT wiki, etc. |
| 02:54:57 | <myself> | I guess that's what I meant, I keep forgetting they're bookmarks behind the scenes |
| 03:25:00 | <hexa-> | firefox hides that feature pretty well |
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| 03:27:34 | <@JAA> | Yeah, and I'm not sure I ever found official documentation on %s, %S, etc. |
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| 04:11:57 | <steering> | myself: for the most part I ... just use kagi and have those sites "raised" |
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| 04:12:24 | <steering> | I have some keywords (and more in the past) but mostly I used those for work stuff |
| 04:12:42 | <steering> | also you can still add custom search engine entries in firefox (for now?) |
| 04:13:22 | <steering> | Add a new preference called browser.urlbar.update2.engineAliasRefresh, of type Boolean and value true. (This will enable the button to add a new search engine in about:preferences#search) |
| 04:14:10 | <@JAA> | Ah, nice. |
| 04:14:56 | <steering> | (from kagi's docs https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.html#firefox_browsers under "To set up a private session link in Firefox") |
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| 08:25:13 | <immibis> | githubplus.com from the blocked domains list is a parking page |
| 08:26:47 | <immibis> | maybe their SEO operation died because too many people blocked it |
| 08:39:22 | <masterx244|m> | <immibis> "githubplus.com from the blocked..." <- what was it originally? first time i heard of it (and it smells like some spam/sitepest) |
| 08:39:40 | <immibis> | don't know but it's in the top kagi blocked domains |
| 08:40:57 | <immibis> | github but with more ads and less git? https://web.archive.org/web/20220523225209/https://githubplus.com/kubernetes-client/javascript |
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| 11:04:32 | <steering> | immibis: google probably delisted them lol |
| 11:04:52 | <steering> | those kinda sites (i assume, didnt check wbm) were all over google for a long while |
| 11:17:54 | <masterx244|m> | <steering> "immibis: google probably..." <- which is good since that crap only exists to gum up search results (like the "AI"-generated content mill crap that hides the real useful stuff much more behind) |
| 11:18:19 | <steering> | yeah, I'd love to know how some of them managed to SEO as highly as they did |
| 11:18:45 | <steering> | they seemingly just popped up for everyone almost overnight and like... you know nobody is actually linking to them... lol |
| 12:48:41 | | steering looks through the contents of an old (IDE!) hard drive he has laying around |
| 12:48:49 | | steering finds logs of a conversation with fireonlive |
| 12:48:51 | <steering> | qq |
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| 13:03:31 | <that_lurker> | fireonlive++ |
| 13:03:33 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'fireonlive' now has 686 karma! |
| 13:05:39 | <that_lurker> | https://img.kuhaon.fun/u/TCEjjR.png |
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| 13:36:18 | <TheTechRobo> | fireonlive++ |
| 13:36:18 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'fireonlive' now has 687 karma! |
| 14:09:32 | <anarcat> | shiw https://forum.syncthing.net/t/discontinuing-syncthing-android/23002/29 |
| 14:09:36 | <anarcat> | shit, even |
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| 14:32:30 | <immibis> | good thing the EU is forcing them to allow third-party stores on similar terms to the play store (not the much worse terms they always got before) |
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| 14:56:15 | <steering> | email from a coworker in sales regarding 2fa enforcement (after waiting until she was locked out): this is not acceptable! this is invading my personal space! there needs to be some other way to do this than using my personal phone! |
| 14:56:41 | <steering> | (almost-verbatim) |
| 14:57:00 | <steering> | (good news for her: we also got a few yubikeys) |
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| 15:18:07 | <immibis> | how I treated GitHub except I filed a gdpr complaint when they wouldn't let me delete my account |
| 15:18:27 | <immibis> | as far as I know nothing has been done about that and won't be unless enough people complain |
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| 18:50:12 | <that_lurker> | steering: Got the same situation at work too :-P People wait till the last time and the complain |
| 19:20:55 | <@JAA> | She does have a point though regarding using the personal phone for company stuff. |
| 19:21:11 | <@JAA> | But yeah, raise that when the enforcement is announced, duh. |
| 19:22:47 | <nicolas17> | on iOS, you can uninstall the work configuration profile at any time! |
| 19:22:56 | <nicolas17> | and free yourself from all work-imposed restrictions |
| 19:23:05 | <nicolas17> | and also from all work-granted accounts and apps |
| 19:23:58 | <that_lurker> | I usually hope people would use the 2-factor app to secure other accounts as well so it wont just be for work. |
| 19:24:33 | <that_lurker> | though people are idiots so when the phone goes to the bottom of a river they are fucked |
| 19:29:21 | <nicolas17> | democracy.mp4 |
| 19:29:22 | <@JAA> | The point is more about separating personal and professional things entirely. |
| 19:29:41 | <@JAA> | Not that you might not have 2FA on both. |
| 19:31:10 | <@JAA> | But yeah, if the phone inevitably dies, now it's *your* responsibility to fix it without affecting your job performance in any way. |
| 19:31:37 | <that_lurker> | Yeah. That is fine at my work, there are other ways to setup MFA that do not need your phone. |
| 19:35:02 | <f_> | you guys use 2FA with a phone? |
| 19:39:43 | <that_lurker> | ...yes |
| 19:39:58 | <that_lurker> | though I do have some under my yubikey |
| 19:45:54 | <f_> | why? |
| 19:46:00 | <f_> | I just use pass-otp ... |
| 19:46:10 | <f_> | why do you need a phone for this :p |
| 19:47:02 | <@JAA> | Keeping it on a separate device makes compromise much harder. |
| 19:48:43 | <lumidify> | Then carry around a second laptop just for running pass-otp. :P |
| 19:49:21 | <@JAA> | Use pass-otp in Termux on the phone! :-P |
| 19:58:40 | <that_lurker> | hmm pass-otp looks interesting |
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| 21:04:45 | <that_lurker> | How do you backup your pass password store |
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| 21:23:36 | <nicolas17> | lmao what |
| 21:24:30 | <nicolas17> | Nerdearla Mexico will have a talk by Matt Wullenweg |
| 21:24:33 | <nicolas17> | :popcorn: |
| 21:28:37 | <nukke> | oh boy |
| 21:31:59 | <nicolas17> | https://x.com/nerdearla/status/1851013799081558144 |
| 21:31:59 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/nerdearla/status/1851013799081558144 |
| 21:33:41 | <nukke> | "outstanding speaker" lol |
| 21:37:39 | <nicolas17> | more like "featured" |
| 21:39:38 | <nukke> | https://cyberinsider.com/russia-mulls-forking-linux-in-response-to-developer-exclusions/ |
| 21:39:53 | <nukke> | nicolas17: hmmm, "distinguished" maybe? |
| 21:39:53 | <nicolas17> | https://github.com/Cqinux/cinux |
| 21:40:40 | <nukke> | >This problematic decision is not an isolated incident. Recent dramas include adding Rust language developers like Alex Gaynor, who literally does nothing. |
| 21:40:45 | <nicolas17> | <chaos_princess> crazy people are crazy, news at 11 |
| 21:40:46 | <nicolas17> | <nicolas17> one guy making a political fork, this will go well |
| 21:40:48 | <nicolas17> | <chaos_princess> yea, it will fizzle out in a month tops (99%), or become new templeos (0.001%) |
| 21:40:49 | <nicolas17> | <AlyssaRosenzweig> seems to already be fizzled. |
| 21:40:56 | <nukke> | wait, what? the following two sentences are about how rust devs can't do anything |
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| 23:06:38 | <magmaus3> | that_lurker: "How do you backup your pass password store" ← pass has an alias for using git with it |
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| 23:40:50 | <FartWithFury> | The i.e archive is back :) |
| 23:41:10 | <FartWithFury> | i really want to know how they fund it and how many servers they use lol |
| 23:41:31 | <FartWithFury> | are they cooled, where are yjeu based |
| 23:41:45 | <nicolas17> | the what |
| 23:46:48 | <FartWithFury> | Internet archive |
| 23:48:19 | <nicolas17> | it's half back |
| 23:49:11 | <nicolas17> | still can't upload to it etc |
| 23:49:13 | <FartWithFury> | You're a half back |
| 23:49:20 | <FartWithFury> | :( give it time |
| 23:49:36 | <FartWithFury> | it needs love |
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