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| 00:38:14 | <xarph> | There's a dude with a horrifically misconfigured email client on NANOG who swears that we can fix ipv4 exhaustion by running some overlay network on 240.0.0.0/4 |
| 00:38:55 | <xarph> | every enterprise above a certain size is using 240.0.0.0/4 internally as an annex to 1918 space |
| 00:43:19 | <@JAA> | Just one more /4, bro. That'll fix everything, bro. Trust me. |
| 00:43:51 | <@JAA> | Why are there still networks that haven't deployed v6 in 2024? |
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| 00:57:49 | <fireonlive> | ++ :| |
| 00:58:26 | <xarph> | because the cost of renting ipv4 space from a cloud hasn't eclipsed the cost of the SREs to rearchitect everything |
| 01:06:48 | <fireonlive> | my isp pls |
| 01:08:21 | <@JAA> | Surely deploying CGNAT is a nightmare, too? |
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| 01:38:31 | <nyany> | 9:43:51 PM <@JAA> Why are there still networks that haven't deployed v6 in 2024? |
| 01:38:48 | <nyany> | Boy let me introduce you to the fuckers at Bell Canada that don't even know that IPv6 exists |
| 01:39:16 | <fireonlive> | pew pew bell |
| 01:39:38 | <nyany> | Despite not only having a bunch of /48's in AS855 but also a /32 |
| 01:39:47 | <@JAA> | lol |
| 01:40:00 | <nyany> | and also full v6 support for mobile data |
| 01:40:21 | <nyany> | BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE |
| 01:40:28 | <@JAA> | I think I'm approaching the point where I've had IPv6 for three quarters of the time I've had non-dial-up internet. |
| 01:40:32 | <nyany> | One of their old modem gateways |
| 01:40:48 | <nyany> | supported 6-to-4 and other tunelling through the admin |
| 01:41:03 | <nyany> | the last two iterations of it have removed v6 control altogether |
| 01:41:13 | <@JAA> | Lovely |
| 01:41:36 | <fireonlive> | :| |
| 01:41:46 | <fireonlive> | fuck you bell |
| 01:41:50 | <fireonlive> | Bell-- |
| 01:41:50 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Bell' now has -1 karma! |
| 01:41:51 | <nyany> | Honestly |
| 01:42:12 | <nyany> | it really doesn't surprise me that they don't have v6 considering the archaic infrastructure management shit they have on the backend |
| 01:42:21 | <nyany> | Good lord I hated using those tools |
| 01:42:31 | <fireonlive> | upgrade stuff? more cocaine and hookers instead |
| 01:42:39 | <nyany> | dude we're talking java |
| 01:42:42 | <nyany> | and then more java |
| 01:42:45 | <fireonlive> | x_x |
| 01:42:55 | <fireonlive> | kill it with fire |
| 01:42:59 | <nyany> | but wait, tech deployment system? |
| 01:43:01 | <nyany> | java |
| 01:43:03 | <nyany> | customer notes? |
| 01:43:04 | <nyany> | java |
| 01:43:07 | <fireonlive> | (sorry digitaldragon) |
| 01:43:11 | <fireonlive> | oof |
| 01:43:12 | <@JAA> | Believe it or not, Java. |
| 01:43:12 | <nyany> | provisioning a new order? |
| 01:43:15 | <nyany> | motherfucking java |
| 01:43:39 | <nyany> | and you best believe that sumb**** is gonna take at LEAST 5 minutes every time you change machines or clear your browser cache |
| 01:43:48 | <nyany> | because it then has to cache all those lovely little OH FUCK YOU BELL |
| 01:44:00 | <nyany> | anyways ex bell employee rant over |
| 01:44:12 | <fireonlive> | like java gui? |
| 01:44:32 | <fireonlive> | desktop app |
| 01:44:33 | <nyany> | Yeah it was a GUI, I can't give you specific names or such I can tell you it's Java and probably based off something widely available |
| 01:45:10 | <steering> | JAA: yeah, I found your issue while looking for mine |
| 01:45:27 | <nyany> | I had a bit of a hack for getting mine to work better though, I'd start up my machine, launch only an Internet Explorer window from within Citrix (blessed DMZ) and use Citrix IE to launch the java apps |
| 01:45:31 | <nyany> | Which surprisingly worked just fine |
| 01:45:50 | <nyany> | And those apps ran from whatever server the citrix IE ran from |
| 01:46:14 | <nyany> | I say DMZ, it wasn't true DMZ but it gave us much more access |
| 01:49:36 | <steering> | nyany: oof, I guess we had it good when I worked for Spectrum, we just had old-GUI-over-3270 and Salesforce :'D |
| 01:51:51 | <steering> | (of course I can't forget the 5 separate billing systems just for Time Warner Cable regions) |
| 01:52:07 | <fireonlive> | x_x |
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| 02:22:19 | <fireonlive> | YouTube has now begun skipping videos altogether for users with ad blockers https://www.androidpolice.com/youtube-videos-skip-to-end-if-you-use-an-ad-blocker/ |
| 02:23:15 | <nukke> | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:25:00 | <fireonlive> | :c |
| 02:34:23 | <nicolas17> | this ipv4 exhaustion talk gave me a stupid idea brb |
| 02:44:12 | <nicolas17> | https://data.nicolas17.xyz/samsung-grab/stats |
| 02:45:58 | <nicolas17> | there's 1 file pending btw |
| 02:50:22 | <DigitalDragons> | java :3 |
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| 03:09:16 | <Thunderstorm66> | Is there a reason why kiskaLogBot isn't in #archivebot? |
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| 03:38:19 | <fireonlive> | the channel isn't publicly logged |
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| 03:47:48 | <steering> | listening to Fight for All the Wrong Reasons by Nickelback (All the Right Reasons) (on Plex) |
| 03:47:54 | <steering> | mb wrong button |
| 04:10:55 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: did you see what I did with samsung-grab? >.> |
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| 04:42:47 | <fireonlive> | lol 403 to ipv4 |
| 04:44:17 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: nice |
| 04:44:57 | | steering glances at his disabled CONFIG_IPV6 |
| 04:45:41 | <nicolas17> | a friend went to an IETF conference and brought me this sticker https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/legacy-ip-only.jpg |
| 04:45:48 | <nicolas17> | I put it on my modem |
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| 04:46:37 | <nicolas17> | a year later my ISP replaced the modem so I lost the sticker |
| 04:46:56 | <nicolas17> | (afaik the new one does support IPv6, but the ISP *service* still doesn't) |
| 04:47:44 | | fireonlive puts sticker on ISP's door |
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| 05:40:49 | <fireonlive> | telegram: add your birthday! 🎂 let your contacts know when you're celebrating. |
| 05:40:52 | <fireonlive> | nice try durov |
| 07:01:57 | <immibis> | xarph: saw that on hacker news. So many comments about different techniques that we "should" use that basically end up being things v6 already does |
| 07:05:37 | <immibis> | imo the only one that has a chance of working in a different way to ipv6 is the ip-in-ip tunnel proposal: standardize a scheme where address 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9 writes a packet to 6.7.8.9 and encapsulates it in a packet to 1.2.3.4 udp port 5. still a dumb proposal when ipv6 is so widespread but it gets brownie points for actually being different from ipv6 |
| 07:06:23 | <immibis> | someone was like "let's add a new octet so 1.x.x.x.x gets translated to ipv4 x.x.x.x and other leading digits use the new protocol" which is literally just ipv6 mapped addresses |
| 07:07:57 | <immibis> | lol I take it back because the ip-in-ip scheme exists in ipv6 and it's called Teredo |
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| 11:27:33 | <Harzilein> | immibis: teredo was nice, contacted newszilla6.xs4all.nl over it when it was "free, including binary hierarchies, to ipv6-using connections" |
| 12:53:35 | <nyany> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/86dG3wqb/image.png |
| 12:53:43 | <nyany> | Seems like a pretty cut and paste process right? |
| 12:53:53 | <nyany> | NO! |
| 12:54:09 | <nyany> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XGK5K9pt/image.png |
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| 18:23:12 | | pixel leaves |
| 18:56:43 | <fireonlive> | >Cloudflare took down our website after trying to force us to pay 120k$ within 24h |
| 18:56:43 | <fireonlive> | https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-website |
| 18:57:08 | <fireonlive> | ...there's also a HN comments it seems: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481808 |
| 18:58:02 | <fireonlive> | katia: ^ |
| 19:08:56 | <f_> | fireonlive: not only blocking legitimate users but also taking down people when they want to |
| 19:09:12 | <fireonlive> | maybe i shouldn't have my domains there xP |
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| 19:12:36 | <@JAA> | Buttflare-- |
| 19:12:36 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Buttflare' now has -11 karma! |
| 19:12:44 | <f_> | Clownflare-- |
| 19:12:44 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Clownflare' now has -1 karma! |
| 19:12:49 | <f_> | Clownflare++ |
| 19:12:50 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Clownflare' now has 0 karma! |
| 19:12:52 | <f_> | clownflare-- |
| 19:12:52 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'clownflare' now has -1 karma! |
| 19:12:55 | <f_> | clownflare++ |
| 19:12:56 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'clownflare' now has 0 karma! |
| 19:13:01 | <f_> | mm... |
| 19:13:06 | <f_> | cloudflare-- |
| 19:17:45 | <katia> | buttflare-- |
| 19:17:45 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'buttflare' now has -12 karma! |
| 19:21:56 | <fireonlive> | buttflare-- |
| 19:21:56 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'buttflare' now has -13 karma! |
| 19:22:11 | <fireonlive> | ugh i guess i should port from them |
| 19:22:21 | <fireonlive> | wasn't there a story somewhere where they murdered someone's just normal domain? |
| 19:38:40 | <fireonlive> | https://www.namebase.io/ https://learn.namebase.io/about-handshake/about-handshake |
| 19:38:43 | <fireonlive> | >Handshake is a naming protocol that’s backwards compatible with the existing DNS system. It does not replace the DNS protocol, but instead decentralizes the root zone file where TLD ownership information is stored by adding a distributed and decentralized blockchain-based system that no one controls and anyone can use. This allows for a root |
| 19:38:43 | <fireonlive> | zone that is uncensorable, permissionless, and free of gatekeepers like ICANN. |
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| 19:59:44 | <nyany> | I'd rather lob off my balls than give that shit any of my money |
| 19:59:47 | <nyany> | fuck handshake |
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| 20:08:36 | <fireonlive> | nyany++ |
| 20:08:37 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'nyany' now has 12 karma! |
| 20:10:57 | <nicolas17> | how much bandwidth does IA use? |
| 20:11:07 | <nicolas17> | I want to quote some numbers to the idiots saying "why not put archive.org behind cloudflare" |
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| 21:17:21 | <fireonlive> | Your API Shouldn't Redirect HTTP to HTTPS https://jviide.iki.fi/http-redirects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40504756 |
| 21:17:23 | <fireonlive> | neat |
| 21:17:31 | <fireonlive> | also: "The Stack Exchange API used to revoke API keys sent over HTTP (and return an error message), which is my favorite way to handle this." |
| 21:17:32 | <fireonlive> | lol |
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| 22:07:21 | <@JAA> | Nice |
| 22:11:54 | <nicolas17> | long ago I wrote a daemon in order to give a custom error for requests to git:// |
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| 23:18:28 | <thuban> | good article |
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