| 00:07:10 | <@JAA> | It's probably significantly harder to set something up so you can access it while on the road, especially if CGNAT is in play, too. |
| 00:07:44 | <nyany> | I'm using IRCCloud behind ZNC |
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| 00:15:40 | <nulldata> | Cloudflare Tunnels and Access takes care of the CGNAT and dynamic IP issues |
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| 00:20:54 | <nukke> | Or tailscale |
| 00:21:40 | <nukke> | I think one of the issues is both spare machine availability and energy costs |
| 00:22:50 | <nukke> | I wish hackint would cloak your IP/host by default but I remember that Noname person's IP was from somewhere in a region energy prices are pretty high and are also prone for prolonged power outages |
| 00:24:40 | <fireonlive> | via https://gay.sex.life : https://the.company/ |
| 00:24:52 | <fireonlive> | i guess they just bought a bunch of domains o_O |
| 00:25:20 | <fireonlive> | >This simple web page was created for informational purposes only. We don't sell anything. We don't buy anything. We don't offer any services. We don't need any services. We do not give any advice. We do not need anyone's advice or recommendation on our own affairs. Best Regards, THE COMPANY |
| 00:25:33 | <fireonlive> | >THE COMPANY |
| 00:25:33 | <fireonlive> | >DREAMS COME TRUE |
| 00:25:38 | <fireonlive> | >Our goal is to complete all these projects within 10 years |
| 00:25:39 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 00:26:04 | <fireonlive> | (thesword's title is gay.sex.life which auto-linkified for me in the lounge) |
| 00:26:13 | <fireonlive> | (and i clicked on it wondering if it existed) |
| 00:26:40 | <fireonlive> | good thing they're working on... happy.world and safe.world tho |
| 00:27:05 | <fireonlive> | <nukke> I wish hackint would cloak your IP/host by default but I remember that Noname person's IP was from somewhere in a region energy prices are pretty high and are also prone for prolonged power outages < me too... i wonder why they don't |
| 00:27:11 | <@JAA> | But also on fake.world and crazy.world... |
| 00:27:54 | <fireonlive> | welp |
| 00:28:27 | <@JAA> | Nice find :-) |
| 00:28:33 | <fireonlive> | :) tks |
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| 01:00:06 | <nulldata> | A new video from our robot overlords https://youtu.be/-9EM5_VFlt8 |
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| 01:06:22 | <fireonlive> | RIP atlas |
| 01:25:52 | <ymgve> | I like how it sometimes goes into an "ow my balls" stance |
| 01:44:13 | <fireonlive> | -+rss- Boeing whistleblower says 787 fleet should be grounded: https://thehill.com/homenews/4598076-boeing-whistleblower-says-787-fleet-should-be-grounded/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059174 |
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| 01:57:27 | <fireonlive> | posted in #discard, but thought it relevant to those outside the project too: -+rss- Site claims to have harvested 4B+ Discord chats, all yours for a price: https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/16/discord_network_sale/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059022 |
| 01:57:41 | <fireonlive> | >Yes, all the info is already public in a way – Discord is kinda like IRC on steroids |
| 01:57:46 | <fireonlive> | IRC mentioned, we're still relevant |
| 02:00:25 | <fireonlive> | >Enhanced User Privacy. |
| 02:00:25 | <fireonlive> | > We prioritize your privacy as a user searcher. Your searches are secure and confidential. |
| 02:00:27 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 02:00:56 | <fireonlive> | >You are fucking with the captcha. Please stop. |
| 02:00:58 | <fireonlive> | in red |
| 02:01:04 | <fireonlive> | no i just have JS disabled but thanks |
| 02:03:42 | <fireonlive> | "Request removal" /remove redirects to /lmfao.mp4 lol |
| 02:05:37 | <fireonlive> | (https://dl.fireon.live/irc/6d6fe1cc24e2e3d8/lmfao.mp4) |
| 03:04:54 | <pabs> | TIL some protocols in the vein of gopher/gemini and how to access their specs: |
| 03:04:54 | <pabs> | echo nex/info/specification.txt | nc nightfall.city 1900 | less |
| 03:04:54 | <pabs> | echo 'spartan.mozz.us /specification.gmi 0' | nc spartan.mozz.us 300 | less |
| 03:04:54 | <pabs> | echo 'R scorpion://zzo38computer.org/specification.txt' | nc zzo38computer.org 1517 | less |
| 03:05:39 | | pabs guesses IA is not able to archive these - /cc arkiver :) |
| 03:07:39 | <fireonlive> | :o neat |
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| 03:25:12 | <pabs> | https://openjsf.org/blog/openssf-openjs-alert-social-engineering-takeovers |
| 03:29:13 | <nicolas17> | oof |
| 03:30:32 | <nicolas17> | pabs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffEHNMOz-oU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwkj3bFfe0 may be relevant to your interests |
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| 03:54:32 | <icedice> | <fireonlive> posted in #discard, but thought it relevant to those outside the project too: -+rss- Site claims to have harvested 4B+ Discord chats, all yours for a price: https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/16/discord_network_sale/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059022 |
| 03:54:53 | <icedice> | They're dipshits at least for using Porkbun |
| 03:55:01 | <icedice> | One complaint and that domain is a goner |
| 03:55:10 | <icedice> | Anyone here wants to light the fuse? |
| 03:57:54 | <myself> | I wonder how I'd tell if my stuff was in there. |
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| 03:58:28 | <deadorbit> | has anyone had any luck running standalone warc archive scripts |
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| 04:35:16 | <nukke> | https://x0.at/hWjj.png |
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| 07:42:01 | <fireonlive> | https://adobeandteardrops.com/ sadly this is not a site criticizing Adobe the maker of reader, photoshop, etc |
| 07:42:16 | <fireonlive> | just wanted to share my disappointment |
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| 14:00:46 | <pabs> | https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779885123363635572.html https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1779920066840055847 |
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| 14:12:35 | <nukke> | fug |
| 14:13:55 | <kpcyrd> | I've added a new feature to my source code indexing site: https://whatsrc.org/artifact/sha256:81e9516553370b8146f54c0cef08ef27d1ede976aa674d4ba9d915d64e42b4f3 |
| 14:14:04 | <@OrIdow6> | Not sure how to feel about the Discord thing - it's pretty despicable but if anything happens to the guy I feel like it could happen to AT as well |
| 14:14:35 | <@OrIdow6> | Kinda reminds me of archive.eu in being an evil, commercial version of AT or the IA |
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| 14:30:47 | <deadorbit22> | has anyone had luck using standalone archival scripts |
| 14:39:47 | <kpcyrd> | deadorbit22: what's standalone archival scripts? |
| 14:40:09 | <deadorbit22> | WAIL for instance |
| 14:40:25 | <deadorbit22> | or browsertrix |
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| 14:51:49 | <ymgve> | someone's scraping discord apparently https://stackdiary.com/spy-pet-is-harvesting-your-discord-history-with-no-ability-to-opt-out/ |
| 14:51:54 | <ymgve> | but not in a good way |
| 14:52:26 | <nukke> | wym "not in a good way"? it's all public servers |
| 14:52:45 | <ymgve> | I mean they don't seem to publish their scrapes as far as I can tell |
| 14:52:48 | <nukke> | so no private/invite-only discords, or DMs |
| 14:53:02 | <ymgve> | just a private search interface that costs "tokens" to use |
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| 15:11:21 | <nukke> | say hello to our new overlords https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M |
| 15:15:26 | <joepie91|m> | that a community is publicly accessible does not automatically mean that people are okay with others mass-scraping it to build a spying system out of it, particularly a for-profit one |
| 15:15:57 | <joepie91|m> | there exist legitimate reasons to scrape things, but "it's public" in and of itself does not excuse any and every kind of scraping for any purpose |
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| 16:06:16 | <nyany_> | Anyone using IRCCloud suddenly unable to access the client? |
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| 16:21:03 | <fireonlive> | DigitalDragons: given their "Request removal" at spy.pet/remove i dont think they'll care too much |
| 16:24:28 | <kpcyrd> | fireonlive: considering this "remove page" specifically I think cloudflare won't host them for long because the person running this site can't argue they operate in good faith with this |
| 16:25:03 | <kpcyrd> | one still needs to go do the necessary steps though |
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| 16:33:40 | <kpcyrd> | DigitalDragons: email it to DSA-legal-representative@cloudflare.com, it's the contact in charge of (EU) 2022/2065 |
| 16:35:48 | <kpcyrd> | alternatively go for https://abuse.cloudflare.com/general |
| 16:36:54 | <kpcyrd> | ^ this is most certainly the better contact way, I think the email is for something else |
| 16:38:13 | <kpcyrd> | I didn't notice there's a "General" section while looking for something more specific for this situation |
| 16:40:44 | <kpcyrd> | ah, they even mention "DSA certification of bona fide belief" on the submission form |
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| 17:00:52 | <DigitalDragons> | fireonlive: yeah, hosting providers may care though |
| 17:22:54 | <kpcyrd> | the cloudflare form even has a box to send the hosting provider a copy |
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| 17:27:31 | <deadorbit> | why is browsertrix so garbage. at this rate it will take me 90 days to archive this website. |
| 17:38:57 | <@JAA> | Running a full browser will do that. Also, it's webrecorder, so it won't write proper WARCs. |
| 17:42:05 | <deadorbit> | well that sucks |
| 17:42:54 | <fireonlive> | there's uh |
| 17:42:56 | <fireonlive> | hm |
| 17:42:58 | <steering> | what is the difference between spy.pet and a search engine which makes one okay but not the other? |
| 17:43:08 | <fireonlive> | internetarchive's one |
| 17:43:17 | <fireonlive> | brozzler - but it's also full chromium |
| 17:43:34 | <fireonlive> | but presumably writes correct warcs since they tend to actually care about that stuff |
| 17:46:17 | <nicolas17> | someone should sponsor me to write a pcap to warc converter |
| 17:47:56 | <DigitalDragons> | steering: because Google doesn't let you pay $0.10 to stalk users across login-required spaces |
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| 17:51:22 | | fireonlive pays nicolas17 in exposure |
| 17:52:34 | <nicolas17> | I considered biting you, then realized you might like it so nvm |
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| 17:53:50 | <fireonlive> | i mean |
| 17:54:07 | <fireonlive> | 👀 |
| 17:54:25 | <fireonlive> | i'd totally hate that don't do it |
| 17:54:31 | <DigitalDragons> | can't do anything to fireonlive when he has every kink |
| 17:54:47 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 17:57:33 | <fireonlive> | telegram ceo is saying in his channel he did an interview with tucker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w o_O |
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| 18:02:06 | <nukke> | makes sense, both are big fans of putin |
| 18:03:53 | <nukke> | oh god I had to close the video after the first two minutes |
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| 18:09:06 | <nyany> | I slapped that in the queue |
| 18:11:12 | <fireonlive> | telegram ceo hotter than i thought he would be |
| 18:26:14 | <nicolas17> | bonk |
| 18:34:55 | <fireonlive> | 😵💫 |
| 18:44:39 | <kpcyrd> | lol |
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| 19:16:13 | <steering> | DigitalDragons: you're right, they let you see the cached copy for free instead. remember how that used to be the simplest way to bypass paywalls...? |
| 19:16:50 | <DigitalDragons> | i don't see how that's relevant here |
| 19:17:02 | <steering> | i don't see how it's not |
| 19:18:31 | <nicolas17> | that's the paywalled site explicitly letting Google see the content for free |
| 19:18:46 | <steering> | and this is discord letting spy.pet see the content, cool |
| 19:18:47 | <nicolas17> | not Google going out of its way to login with a fake account to scrape the content |
| 19:19:15 | <DigitalDragons> | also "news articles" and "your messages" are not remotely the same thing |
| 19:19:21 | <steering> | umm |
| 19:19:22 | <nicolas17> | ^ |
| 19:19:36 | <steering> | i'm not sure what you think the web was like in 1998 |
| 19:20:04 | <nicolas17> | this channel is publicly logged |
| 19:20:16 | <nicolas17> | if it wasn't, I wouldn't want Google to join a bot to IRC to index it |
| 19:20:38 | | joepie91|m notes that people who believe that nonconsensual spying on people is okay, will always find a justification for it |
| 19:20:42 | <DigitalDragons> | yeah it's more like someone publicly logging every irc channel they can find without asking anyone |
| 19:21:04 | <steering> | joepie91|m: don't worry, i know it's only okay when stealing from companies :) |
| 19:21:44 | <steering> | nicolas17: and how would you stop someone from doing so? |
| 19:22:01 | <nicolas17> | "it's impossible to prevent it" doesn't mean it's okay |
| 19:22:10 | <steering> | it's not impossible to prevent it, though. |
| 19:22:31 | <nicolas17> | then why are you bringing that argument |
| 19:22:50 | <steering> | because it's actually quite easy to prevent, if you want to prevent it. |
| 19:23:01 | <steering> | if you don't take any steps to prevent it, you really shouldn't be surprised when it happens. |
| 19:23:07 | <steering> | step 1: don't make stuff public if you don't want it to be public |
| 19:24:16 | <nicolas17> | do you think talking on an IRC channel is "making stuff public" because theoretically anyone could join it? |
| 19:24:21 | <joepie91|m> | "don't wear a short skirt then" |
| 19:24:40 | <joepie91|m> | consent is really a very simple concpet |
| 19:24:42 | <joepie91|m> | concept* |
| 19:26:59 | <fireonlive> | DMS-10: The first phone call! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-R64-zYBHc |
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| 22:53:15 | <nulldata> | https://gizmodo.com/piece-of-iss-battery-pallet-crashed-through-florida-hom-1851412968 |
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| 23:49:17 | <fireonlive> | -+rss- House passes bill requiring warrant to purchase data from third parties: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4601266-house-passes-bill-requiring-warrant-to-purchase-data-from-third-parties/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40070853 |