| 00:12:48 | | Doranwen is ready to tear her hair out trying to find a guide for her specific case - migrating from legacy boot on one comp to uefi on another... |
| 00:13:06 | <Doranwen> | Everything's either migrate uefi to uefi, or convert in place. |
| 00:13:28 | <Doranwen> | Do such guides actually exist? |
| 00:17:57 | <Notrealname1234> | Yes, a guide for everything exists |
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| 00:37:25 | <fireonlive> | archive team breaks out our vintage bags: https://www.instagram.com/break.archive/reel/C5gbMdJiPtC/ |
| 00:40:11 | <Doranwen> | Would've been helpful if they'd actually said *where* to find such a guide, because my searches aren't turning it up. :P |
| 00:41:06 | <fireonlive> | hmm, migrate in place and then move hdd maybe? or configure new pc to legacy boot |
| 00:54:52 | <Doranwen> | I can't actually migrate in place because the clone of that drive won't boot - GPT with legacy boot and the BIOS is complaining about it |
| 00:55:10 | <Doranwen> | I've no idea *how* the original drive booted all this time, then - and it's just about dead |
| 00:55:51 | <Doranwen> | I've got a good clone that's relatively recent, and a more-or-less complete backup file-wise that's VERY recent, but which won't work for booting - and neither one do I want to risk in trying to set up this system over again |
| 00:56:20 | <Doranwen> | Was going to try copying existing partitions on the clone but I need to set up the uefi stuff right on the new disk |
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| 00:56:37 | <Doranwen> | The swap partition's plenty big so if I have to make it a bit smaller to compensate for lost space, that's not an issue |
| 00:56:59 | <Doranwen> | But exactly *how* to do this process I'm not quite sure |
| 00:57:44 | <Doranwen> | I've got it booted off a live DVD (not the OS I've been using, but it's got gparted and was close at hand so I used that) with the new (blank) drive in the tower and the good clone connected via a docking station, and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out the next step |
| 00:58:18 | <Doranwen> | And the hdd that's in the tower and what was used was 4TB, most of it all one partition, so legacy boot isn't an option as far as I can tell… |
| 00:59:21 | <Doranwen> | If I have to, I'll install the OS afresh but I really don't want to go through the process of having to install every bit of software I had set up and everything… if there's *any* way to avoid that I want to take it |
| 01:00:25 | <nyany> | Considering the time and effort you've already expended attempting to avoid a fresh install, perhaps you really should consider this as the more viable alternative |
| 01:00:30 | <thuban> | Doranwen: what distro do you use again? most package managers should be able to export/import a list of installed packages |
| 01:01:01 | <Doranwen> | I can't boot the OS at all to do anything with it because of the GPT/legacy boot combo that it didn't like |
| 01:01:01 | <thuban> | (obvs if you have a lot of locally-built or otherwise non-package-managed stuff this won't work that well, but) |
| 01:01:16 | <Doranwen> | And this is - you're going to think I'm crazy - a Mint 13 system, lol |
| 01:01:20 | | Doranwen has good reasons for keeping one around |
| 01:02:13 | <Doranwen> | I'd migrate a lot of my work on it to a VM but I have IDJC set up and configured on there and everyone in the family likes listening to my station and I cannot make IDJC work in a VM no matter what I've tried |
| 01:03:46 | <Doranwen> | (The main reason for using it in the first place was due to a font - yes, a font - that worked perfectly on Mint 13 and on every other OS and version after that the line spacing was completely messed up - of course, that font was what I used for a TON of materials I created and sell online, and was not about to go change them all. Hence using Mint 13 for that purpose. IDJC happened there because I didn't need the sound for anything on |
| 01:03:48 | <Doranwen> | that system and it sort of knocks everything else out, using JACK.) |
| 01:04:41 | <Doranwen> | nyany: But shouldn't there be a way to just copy the partitions over? At this point it would still take less time than setting everything up, hoping I've remembered all the installed programs, etc. |
| 01:05:02 | <Doranwen> | The question is exactly how to set up the partitions and run something to point to the right spot so that it'll launch the OS. |
| 01:05:26 | <nyany> | Well, I'll leave this with you in case you do change your mind late |
| 01:05:27 | <nyany> | r |
| 01:05:31 | <nyany> | sudo apt list --installed |
| 01:05:52 | <nyany> | returns a list of all packages that have been installed using apt/apt-get |
| 01:06:10 | <Notrealname1234> | might wanna update them all too |
| 01:06:20 | <Doranwen> | How do I run that when I can't boot the OS? |
| 01:06:43 | <nyany> | oh right, you're up shit creek |
| 01:06:49 | <nyany> | hm |
| 01:07:10 | <Doranwen> | I cloned it with ddrescue, but the clone is GPT with legacy boot, and I have no idea how it worked on the original drive because the clone absolutely won't boot, gives the error message about that |
| 01:07:28 | <Doranwen> | This comp *can* do UEFI fine, I got it in probably 2016 or so |
| 01:07:35 | <nyany> | does the clone boot on the current machine or are you attempting to move it to another machine |
| 01:07:38 | <Doranwen> | I don't think I set it up myself |
| 01:07:50 | <Doranwen> | Iirc someone who got me the tower did the initial install |
| 01:08:04 | <Doranwen> | No, the clone doesn't boot because it complains that it's GPT-formatted and can't boot legacy |
| 01:08:35 | <nyany> | Can you not simply enable legacy boot or is that defeating the true purpose of your intentions |
| 01:08:44 | <Doranwen> | It's set to legacy boot |
| 01:08:50 | <Doranwen> | It doesn't like that the partition table is gpt |
| 01:08:56 | <Doranwen> | And won't go any further |
| 01:09:13 | <Doranwen> | I never get any screens besides that error msg |
| 01:09:44 | <Notrealname1234> | Restore hard drive |
| 01:10:24 | <thuban> | Doranwen: i'm a little confused by your description of the situation. |
| 01:11:09 | <Doranwen> | Original hdd is basically dying/dead, I thought I could just plug a clone (made with ddrescue) in and it would boot, but it is giving me this error msg |
| 01:11:16 | <thuban> | do you have a new hard drive you want to partition, and a clone of the old hard drive off which you want to get the data? or are you trying to repartition the clone of the old drive? |
| 01:11:22 | <Doranwen> | So I bought a new hard drive |
| 01:11:36 | <Doranwen> | And *that* is what's in the tower now, that I need to partition |
| 01:11:44 | <Doranwen> | And copy the data partition off the clone onto it |
| 01:11:55 | <thuban> | ok |
| 01:12:04 | <Doranwen> | And make it UEFI this time so it won't have fits |
| 01:12:25 | <Doranwen> | Instead of trying to do legacy boot with a GPT hdd (that's 4TB, so gpt necessary) |
| 01:13:04 | <thuban> | partition the new drive just like you would for a fresh install (including your efi system partition), then instead of doing a fresh install copy the root partition from the clone to the root partition of your new drive |
| 01:13:08 | <Doranwen> | It's got one single data partition that's most of the drive, a swap one that's like 16 gigs or so, and of course the bios-grub one that isn't working |
| 01:13:38 | <Doranwen> | I don't remember why it didn't get a separate / from /home but it doesn't, they're all one partition |
| 01:13:54 | <Doranwen> | (Again, I did not set this up originally, so) |
| 01:14:26 | <Doranwen> | Will try that |
| 01:17:06 | <Doranwen> | It sounds simple, I was just getting overwhelmed by the complicatedness of the situation |
| 01:18:17 | <thuban> | https://superuser.com/questions/594203/how-to-copy-entire-linux-root-filesystem-to-new-hard-drive |
| 01:18:49 | <Doranwen> | All the guides suggest separate / and /home partitions, and I do *not* have that to work with, though - do I just set the one partition to be / and it'll automatically find /home where it should be? |
| 01:18:57 | <Doranwen> | I assumed I could just use GParted to copy the partition |
| 01:21:29 | <Doranwen> | …except this one's weird, there's no way to set an EFI system partition up :P |
| 01:24:51 | <thuban> | if you want you can create separate /home and / partitions, then copy home to the new /home and everything else to /, but if you do this you need to do your copy at the filesystem level, not the block level (ie not using gparted) |
| 01:24:53 | <thuban> | separating /home is a matter of taste for desktops imo, different distros have different conventions (i've never bothered) |
| 01:25:00 | <Doranwen> | Aha, scrolling down one of the secondary answers has a solution for that |
| 01:25:15 | <Doranwen> | Nah, separating /home and / isn't super important for this one - it's never going to be upgraded in place. |
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| 01:25:54 | <Doranwen> | If I ever abandon it and go to a new OS/version, I'll extra back up everything and start from scratch |
| 01:29:06 | <thuban> | i'm not sure what you mean by "there's no way to set an EFI system partition up" |
| 01:29:18 | <Doranwen> | The guide I was looking at had a way to just pick it from a dropdown |
| 01:29:44 | <Doranwen> | That this doesn't have - but the guide you linked does have - a little ways down - specifics on how to create the partition a bit more manually |
| 01:30:04 | <Doranwen> | Says to format it as fat32 and manage flags to boot and esp |
| 01:30:27 | | Doranwen has never had to create one outside of a distro installer which has the option in a dropdown, lol |
| 01:30:37 | <Doranwen> | Or at least, if I have, I don't remember it |
| 01:30:44 | <thuban> | that's not on the page i linked ?_? |
| 01:30:46 | | Doranwen clearly doesn't do this enough to remember |
| 01:30:47 | <thuban> | but it is correct |
| 01:30:55 | <Doranwen> | Oh wait, it's not |
| 01:30:58 | <Doranwen> | Sorry, wrong page |
| 01:31:00 | <Doranwen> | I thought it was yours |
| 01:31:19 | <Doranwen> | No, I did a search for how to set one up, forgot I had |
| 01:32:38 | <Doranwen> | Does it actually matter which order the data and swap are in? |
| 01:32:48 | <thuban> | no |
| 01:33:30 | <Doranwen> | I didn't think so |
| 01:34:36 | <Doranwen> | Thank you - it's copying over and finishing the formatting, I'm hopeful |
| 01:35:26 | <Doranwen> | It'll take a few hours to finish that |
| 01:35:48 | <Doranwen> | I'll go back to work on Yahoo Groups, lol |
| 01:36:48 | | Doranwen would like that done and uploaded *before* those drives start to fail, even if she *does* have backups |
| 01:39:09 | <thuban> | note that the efi system partition you've just created is empty, so you'll need to actually put a bootloader in it |
| 01:39:38 | <Doranwen> | Right, I was just trying to figure out how to do that |
| 01:40:34 | <Doranwen> | whether I need the live disc for the corresponding OS to do it from, or whether the current live disc can be used to do it from |
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| 01:49:19 | <fireonlive> | https://www.404media.co/email/d72b3844-9d62-4961-b52f-86ba9f237480/ |
| 01:49:19 | <fireonlive> | >‘AI Instagram Influencers’ Are Stealing Women’s Bodies |
| 01:49:20 | <Doranwen> | …I'm having a hard time finding a guide that makes sense to me - most seem to be talking about dual-boot situations, adding boot options to an existing working system, etc. |
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| 01:51:49 | <Doranwen> | oof |
| 01:51:55 | <Doranwen> | not surprised, but yeah |
| 01:53:15 | <Doranwen> | thuban: is this guide about what I want to do, then? https://www.fosslinux.com/115040/a-complete-guide-to-installing-grub-bootloader-on-linux.htm |
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| 01:56:29 | <fireonlive> | https://www.404media.co/sansan-chicken-zoom-cashier/ |
| 01:56:36 | <fireonlive> | i saw one about a dental clinic doing this |
| 01:56:37 | <fireonlive> | but huh |
| 01:57:39 | <fireonlive> | apparently it's happening in drive-thrus in the US as well; you get AI order takers, then someone overseas takes over if it gets confused/etc |
| 01:57:48 | <fireonlive> | (though this is a real person) |
| 01:58:29 | <thuban> | Doranwen: i would use this one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows |
| 02:02:00 | <thuban> | (since you've booted from a live disc, you want to make sure you change to the install on your filesystem before installing the bootloader, to reduce potential issues--the page you linked mentions this briefly, but only in the troubleshooting section and without adequately explaining it) |
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| 02:03:26 | <fireonlive> | why is the meeting ID and password right on the register 🤦 |
| 02:05:02 | <nyany> | 🙄 |
| 02:07:07 | <thuban> | nb: i have never been in this specific situation, cannot guarantee compatibility, etc etc. since you have a copy of your old filesystem, if all else fails you can ask the package manager (on a live disc or a fresh install) what you had installed on it https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/580121/where-does-apt-or-dpkg-store-the-list-of-installed-packages |
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| 03:57:26 | <fireonlive> | when you typo `mdir` instead of `mkdir` and have no idea what the fuck you're looking at for a second |
| 03:57:30 | <fireonlive> | Can't open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory |
| 03:57:30 | <fireonlive> | Cannot initialize 'A:' |
| 03:58:01 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/cf84f41afa78ce89/wut.png |
| 04:04:19 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: what do you get if you typo 'sl' instead of 'ls'? |
| 04:04:59 | <fireonlive> | $ sl |
| 04:04:59 | <fireonlive> | zsh: command not found: sl |
| 04:05:03 | <fireonlive> | sadly no fun |
| 04:06:48 | <nicolas17> | you need to install sl then |
| 04:06:54 | <nicolas17> | distros should install it by default smh |
| 04:07:43 | <fireonlive> | i think one did but people got buttmad |
| 04:07:49 | <fireonlive> | could be wrong though! |
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| 04:42:58 | <fireonlive> | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/google-vids-is-googles-fourth-big-productivity-app-for-workspace/ |
| 04:43:04 | <fireonlive> | Google Vids |
| 04:44:38 | <nicolas17> | > beagle, shibainu, quetzal, frigate, turaco, kakapo, cockatoo, puffin |
| 04:44:43 | <nicolas17> | these are codenames |
| 04:44:52 | <nicolas17> | what could be the next one in the list? |
| 04:45:41 | <nicolas17> | I'm looking through birds on wikipedia trying to figure it out (and it takes me 10000 HTTP requests to see if it's correct... assuming it's even deployed already) |
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| 05:15:53 | <fireonlive> | hmmm |
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| 12:38:33 | <nulldata> | XZ is back on GitHub https://github.com/tukaani-project |
| 12:51:57 | <imer> | https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/commit/77a294d98a9d2d48f7e4ac273711518bf689f5c4 > The other maintainer suddenly disappeared. |
| 12:51:58 | <imer> | :D |
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| 12:58:23 | <nyany> | hm, i wonder why |
| 13:21:45 | <f_> | nyany: I also wonder why. |
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| 14:19:34 | <@JAA> | That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point. |
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| 14:20:40 | <f_> | JAA: Meh. |
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| 14:35:07 | <nulldata> | 3 hosts of one of the affected SBNation podcasts did a live stream giving some information on what's going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aAWensLaYo |
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| 15:03:46 | <nukke> | Ok this is hilarious https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/04/twitters-clumsy-pivot-to-x-com-is-a-gift-to-phishers/ |
| 15:07:43 | <FireFly> | oh yeah, it really is |
| 15:08:37 | | @JAA likes space-twitter.com in particular. |
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| 15:51:01 | <steering> | i can't believe there was no one involved in that process who pointed out what a stupid idea it was. |
| 15:51:14 | <steering> | then again, if they had they probably would've been fired for hurting someone's ego.. |
| 15:58:39 | <nulldata> | https://www.today.com/video/whistleblower-claims-boeing-s-787-dreamliner-jets-are-flawed-208690245619 |
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| 16:00:53 | <nulldata> | Another whistleblower from the same plant that the one who was suicided worked at |
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| 16:47:14 | <fireonlive> | THANKS |
| 16:47:18 | <fireonlive> | -Jia Tan |
| 16:47:25 | <fireonlive> | 👏🏻 |
| 16:47:36 | <Notrealname1234> | what |
| 16:48:02 | <fireonlive> | from imer's link earlier https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/commit/77a294d98a9d2d48f7e4ac273711518bf689f5c4 |
| 16:48:47 | <fireonlive> | nulldata: wonder if this whistleblower will "commit suicide" |
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| 17:18:54 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/commit/780cbf29d5a88db2b546e9b7b019c4c33ca72685 |
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| 17:37:20 | <fireonlive> | https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1777505144709550302.html |
| 17:37:27 | <fireonlive> | on SoS |
| 17:37:50 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: awesome haha |
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| 18:43:05 | <fireonlive> | https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/08/ms_dos_easter_egg/ |
| 18:43:08 | <fireonlive> | boooo microsoft |
| 18:47:35 | <nyany> | lol |
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| 20:09:01 | <nicolas17> | oh I found the codename btw |
| 20:09:13 | <nicolas17> | > beagle, shibainu, quetzal, frigate, turaco, kakapo, cockatoo, puffin |
| 20:09:22 | <nicolas17> | the next one is peacock |
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| 20:09:40 | <Notrealname1234> | Peacock but remove pea |
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| 20:10:03 | <Notrealname1234> | Coc- |
| 20:10:34 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: 😵💫 |
| 20:10:43 | <fireonlive> | :P |
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| 20:25:05 | <nulldata> | https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/09/microsoft-employees-exposed-internal-passwords-security-lapse/ |
| 20:27:35 | <fireonlive> | https://support.google.com/a/answer/9105393 |
| 20:27:49 | <fireonlive> | >Alert retention |
| 20:27:49 | <fireonlive> | >Alerts are retained in the alert center for approximately 10 years. |
| 20:27:49 | <fireonlive> | >Note: Starting in April, 2024, the retention period for alerts will be 6 months. |
| 20:28:00 | <fireonlive> | "oof ouchie my storage usage" ~ google these days |
| 20:33:41 | <nulldata> | Google's trying to find lost storage in the couch cushions |
| 20:33:51 | <fireonlive> | haha yes |
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| 20:41:18 | <Notrealname1234> | For fireonlive: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/297/355/cb3 |
| 20:42:41 | <fireonlive> | 🥺 |
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| 21:08:38 | <kiska> | Damn US only sales https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/7b7f67baa87bc1c6/image.png |
| 21:09:54 | <fireonlive> | :( |
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| 21:33:07 | <nyany> | kiska: damn that's hot |
| 21:33:34 | <nyany> | imagine all the por - i mean imPORtant archiving stuff i could store on there |
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| 21:39:40 | <kiska> | :D |
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| 22:55:09 | <nulldata> | imPORtaNt* |
| 22:55:26 | <Notrealname1234> | important is what you say dummy |
| 22:56:12 | <nulldata> | It's a lot of storage for Linux ISOs. |
| 23:13:34 | <fireonlive> | nyany: droves of gay pornogrpahic material |
| 23:13:52 | <fireonlive> | 😸 |
| 23:14:13 | <fireonlive> | backup .+tube when |
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