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00:45:08<nicolas17>joepie91|m: browsers are platforms, *websites* are using too much RAM, not browsers
00:48:03<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/edcc35ebaa4ed91f/image.png
00:48:04<fireonlive>not bad
00:48:09<fireonlive>though i did just reload it an hour or so ago
00:48:10<fireonlive>lol
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01:01:47<joepie91|m>nicolas17: exactly
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03:32:56<nicolas17>pabs: I think it's gonna be over for Beeper and others soon
03:33:35<nicolas17>there's signs that connection to the Apple push notification service will start requiring hardware attestation
03:34:15<nicolas17>hardware attestation on consumer devices should be outlawed smh
03:36:07<fireonlive>:o
03:36:14<fireonlive>hmmmm
03:36:24<fireonlive>but it's pretty cool~
03:37:27<@JAA>No. No, it is not.
03:38:46<nicolas17>I think an employee's laptop attesting that it's the Correct Laptop and it's running an Approved OS and its security features haven't been tampered with, in order to access corporate resources, is acceptable
03:39:30<nicolas17>I think consumer device attesting that it's original hardware with original firmware in order to talk to the manufacturer's cloud is not acceptable
03:40:12<fireonlive>hmm that's fair
03:40:25<fireonlive>i did have my business hat on :3
03:40:34<nicolas17>(and fucking Google tried to bring that kind of stuff to the web)
03:40:44<fireonlive>they did!
03:41:29<fireonlive>i think it got shot down tho
03:44:03<fireonlive>oh right i remember everyone pummelling that guy's repo
03:50:51<nicolas17>meanwhile in Android land https://androiddev.social/@MishaalRahman/112016942153534074
03:52:19<fireonlive>oof
03:57:53<@JAA>Yeah, Google isn't any better with regards to this.
04:01:58<fireonlive>Ask HN: Did you encounter any leap year bugs today? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554539
04:02:18<fireonlive>"Heard from a friend in China: the age calculation portion of the app to schedule a marriage certificate had a bug ..." ~ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554915
04:03:52<@JAA>Nice
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04:11:59<imer>ive run tests on the only code i’ve produced that does date stuff for the next 10 years or so *knocks on wood*
04:12:34<imer>monthly subscription handling is surprisingly tricky if you add on pro rated upgrades and such
04:13:10<nicolas17>imer: I saw a meme suggesting feb 29 is a great day to do annual subscriptions and hope the software doesn't handle the edge case
04:13:17<nicolas17>"renews next feb 29"
04:14:49<pabs>nicolas17: TBH I am *really* surprised Apple allowed non-attested devices to access their services at all :)
04:15:15<nicolas17>pabs: they were doing DRM-grade obfuscation rather than hardware attestation
04:16:03<nicolas17>also iCloud for Windows is a thing and it uses push notifications internally, so they can't gate APNS as a whole behind attestation
04:16:04<imer>i had to write custom handling for those cases since the builtin “add 1 month” would mess up sometimes and move the renew date forwards
04:16:12<nicolas17>but specific services...
04:16:30<imer> not as bad as a free year but yeah
04:19:52<pabs>iCloud for Windows seems like a weird thing to do for a walled garden company
04:20:25<nicolas17>if they don't do it, people will use Dropbox instead of iCloud Drive, can't have that :P
04:20:45<pabs>yeah I suppose there are network effects to contend with
04:21:12<pabs>just ban Dropbox in Safari though? ;)
04:25:19<nicolas17>I wonder if anyone would find "iCloud Drive for Linux" useful
04:25:35<nicolas17>due to Windows, they can't block that with attestation
04:27:50<fireonlive>*copies something random to clear buffer*
04:27:54<pabs>python3-pyicloud exists in Debian
04:28:02<pabs>so I am guessing yes
04:28:12<fireonlive>hmm
04:29:00<pabs>I think there are lots of Linux users with iPhones, given the whole imobiledevice stuff, it is kind of ok to do that, you don't need Windows or macOS for some things
04:29:40nicolas17 has a guess about how pyicloud works, goes to verify it
04:30:08<fireonlive>apple must block these people immediately
04:30:22<fireonlive>such debauchery is too much even for me! :P
04:31:42<nicolas17>yep, it uses the icloud.com web app's API
04:32:41<fireonlive>nice
04:34:45<nicolas17>pabs: there's lots of Linux users with iPhone who would *love* to use Continuity features, but I'm increasingly losing hope of that being doable
04:39:27<fireonlive>continuity is quite nice...
04:39:29<fireonlive>:(
04:42:57<fireonlive>i never thought i'd do this
04:42:57<fireonlive>but
04:43:00<fireonlive>Apple--
04:43:00<eggdrop>[karma] 'Apple' now has -2 karma!
04:43:05<fireonlive>😢
04:58:29<fireonlive>TF DID I JUST FIND?!
04:58:33<fireonlive>NSFW: https://vimeo.com/68837137
04:59:04<fireonlive>does jimmy know?
04:59:34<fireonlive>2.1 million views... he might?
04:59:35<fireonlive>o_O
05:00:34<@JAA>lol
05:01:52<@JAA>Oh, he definitely knows.
05:01:59<@JAA>https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_interviews_painter_Pricasso_on_his_art_and_freedom_of_expression
05:02:32<fireonlive>oh! so he does
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05:02:39<fireonlive>>Wales called it "harassment" and a succession of deletion discussions ensued.
05:03:00<@JAA>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jimmy_Wales_by_Pricasso.jpg
05:03:07<fireonlive>a way more involved level of 'tribute'
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05:03:34<@JAA>That's one of the longest deletion discussions I've seen, I think.
05:03:53<nicolas17>the fuck
05:04:04fireonlive wonders what the '(Redacted)'s were lol
05:04:10<fireonlive>wow yeah that's long
05:05:04<fireonlive>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Reaper_Eternal "Your edit to Pricasso DR" "This is your first and only warning."
05:05:42<fireonlive>amazing
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05:17:57<fireonlive>https://notbyai.fyi/ < huh
05:18:02<fireonlive>via bottom of https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/29/linux-manual-pages/
05:19:04<fireonlive>>Not By AI for Business
05:19:08<fireonlive>>Free for personal use under the License Agreement.
05:19:23<fireonlive>>Purchase the Badges
05:19:28<fireonlive>>$12.99 /mo
05:19:30<fireonlive>-_-
05:24:49<@JAA>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/t6Se2/ivf.jpg
05:24:56<@JAA>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/4dgvQ/rick-castle.gif
05:29:28<DigitalDragons>fireonlive: who needs to pay for that when I can have AI make my not by AI badge? https://irc.digitaldragon.dev/uploads/c7f2a2071c2d1d6c/image.png
05:30:01nicolas17 stabs DigitalDragon
05:30:59<DigitalDragons>>:D
05:31:46<fireonlive>DigitalDragons: :D
05:32:13<fireonlive>JAA: o___O
05:38:13<fireonlive>-+rss- Docusign just admitted that they use customer data to train AI: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1763124892986474689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39558365
05:38:14<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/nixcraft/status/1763124892986474689
05:38:15<fireonlive>nice.
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06:13:09<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/846e3f7ea4c79913/image.png
06:13:15<fireonlive>lesss email more emale pls
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07:17:57<that_lurker>https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1763124892986474689
07:17:57<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/nixcraft/status/1763124892986474689
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07:27:09<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>screenshot: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/XUdCH/1.png ( https://nitter.privacydev.net/pic/orig/media%2FGHfgu_aWIAApe8p.jpg https://support.docusign.com/s/document-item?language=en_US&bundleId=fzd1707173174972&topicId=uss1707173279973.html&_LANG=enus )
07:28:55<fireonlive>ooof
07:28:59<fireonlive>that's going to end well
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07:35:01<that_lurker>Might be a good idea to grab that FAQ site as they most likely will change it
07:38:57<fireonlive>hello world: do not google “pear of anguish”
07:39:13<fireonlive>goodbyyyyeeeeee~
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07:42:44<@JAA>> It is possible that it could have been used to extract juices from fruit.
07:42:50<@JAA>All is fine, fireonlive. :-)
07:43:59<fireonlive>:)
07:44:12<fireonlive>sounds plausible!
07:44:16<@JAA>There are so many 'this is totally a medieval torture device, trust me bro' things out there, it's quite funny.
07:47:33<fireonlive>xP
07:48:10<fireonlive>they do sell them in certain shops for modern fun uses
07:48:23<fireonlive>i mean juice extraction
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07:49:35<@JAA>:-)
07:52:06<fireonlive>:)
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12:13:53<nulldata>https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/01/elon-musk-sues-openai-and-ceo-sam-altman-over-contract-breach.html
12:36:37<joepie91|m>something something broken clock twice a day something
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17:20:34<fireonlive>https://x.com/peepaw_/status/1763376791861735583?s=12
17:20:35<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/peepaw_/status/1763376791861735583
17:20:39<fireonlive>oof
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19:37:35<fireonlive>weird, out of nowhere a bunch of people just started boosting the inactive "empress: core members" group
19:40:46<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/21ba240b8b01110c/image.png
19:53:34katia is now known as k
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20:38:19<fireonlive>https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/02/apple-expands-self-service-repair-for-mac/
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20:44:19<nulldata>Meh. Schematics (and open 'calibration' tools) or die.
20:45:24<nulldata>And stop having customs confiscate and throw out used parts.
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20:51:40<fireonlive>but they put an apple logo on it or something
20:51:42<fireonlive>:P
20:55:33<@JAA>*facepalm* https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/29/leaky-database-two-factor-codes/
21:18:27<@JAA>> [Empty comment from Monorail migration]
21:18:31<@JAA>Thanks, Google.
21:25:05<fireonlive>weird how we need third parties to.. send SMS between carriers
21:25:06<fireonlive>lol
21:25:36<fireonlive>and :o
21:25:39<fireonlive>they killed off monorail?
21:28:56<@JAA>Not sure if it's completely dead yet, but at least they're moving stuff off it, yeah.
21:29:13<@JAA>Chromium's issues were moved a month ago.
21:29:24<@JAA>https://blog.chromium.org/2024/02/chromium-issue-tracker-migration.html
21:29:40<@JAA>And re SMS 2FA, I've never understood how that could possibly be considered remotely secure.
21:32:03<fireonlive>yeah indeed
21:32:23<fireonlive>and ahh, off to issuetracker
21:32:26<fireonlive>hmm. end of an era
21:35:15<nicolas17>JAA: the worst thing is that many websites have 1FA
21:35:42<nicolas17>you get your second factor login code over SMS, but you can also reset your password via... a code sent over SMS
21:35:57<fireonlive>:D
21:41:08<@JAA>nicolas17: Oh yeah, that's great.
22:34:53<fireonlive>-+rss- Apple reverses course on death of Progressive Web Apps in EU: https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/01/apple-reverses-course-on-death-of-progressive-web-apps-in-eu https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39563618
22:34:54<fireonlive>-+rss- Apple backs off killing web apps, but the fight continues: https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/apple-backs-off-killing-web-apps/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39563982
22:35:15<fireonlive>Apple+-?
22:46:46<fireonlive>sorry i can't help you -> transfer/wait on hold -> sorry i cant help you -> transfer/wait on hold
22:47:51<fireonlive>at least the hold music changed to "lofi hip hop radio - beats to relax/be annoyed to" somewhere along the line
22:52:20<myself>I've been playing Tim Carleton's Opus No. 1 in the various Whatsamusic games and it always baffles people until they recognize it
22:56:51<fireonlive>^_^ love me some opus no. 1
22:58:48<fireonlive>looks like this american life stopped hosting their download? links to amazon.com now
22:59:07<fireonlive>but here's an mp3 version i downloaded in 2018 lol https://dl.fireon.live/irc/e4a62a7f16863ab4/(From%20This%20American%20Life)%20opus_number_one.mp3
22:59:51<fireonlive>5m40s!
23:01:41<fireonlive>came from this episode/show originally as an 'addon/show-extra download' i think: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/516/stuck-in-the-middle-2014/act-one-0
23:02:40<fireonlive>it has the backstory of the music in it as well for those interested
23:10:58<fireonlive>ah well for the logs spelunkers/posterity, here's the podcast episode/description/transcript too: https://dl.fireon.live/irc/d66018948d984319/This%20American%20Life%20-%20516%20-%20Stuck%20In%20The%20Middle%20(2014-01-17)%20-%20description.txt
23:10:58<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/89ffa5c48f4d7cce/This%20American%20Life%20-%20516%20-%20Stuck%20In%20The%20Middle%20(2014-01-17)%20-%20transcript.pdf https://dl.fireon.live/irc/fe5a353ef66bd6b4/This%20American%20Life%20-%20516%20-%20Stuck%20In%20The%20Middle%20(2014-01-17).mp3

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