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| 00:49:50 | <fireonlive> | anyone remember the incident where the AWS CLI and others printed pro-ukraine messages to their consumers because of dependency hell and one of those dependency or sub-(sub-)dependencies deciding to print that to std(out|err)? |
| 00:51:29 | <fireonlive> | there was that one package that looked for people in .ru and .by and tried to wipe their hard drives.. https://snyk.io/blog/peacenotwar-malicious-npm-node-ipc-package-vulnerability/ |
| 00:51:51 | <@JAA> | Yeah, just found that one as well. |
| 00:52:25 | <fireonlive> | supply chain management talks really blew up around then |
| 00:52:45 | <@JAA> | This maybe? https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/third-npm-protestware-event-source-polyfill-calls-russia-out/ |
| 00:53:32 | <fireonlive> | oh maybe! |
| 00:54:46 | <fireonlive> | github links for above https://github.com/Yaffle/EventSource/issues/202 https://github.com/Yaffle/EventSource/commit/de137927e13d8afac153d2485152ccec48948a7a |
| 00:55:38 | <fireonlive> | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30963600) |
| 00:56:00 | <fireonlive> | IIRC it was either anyone who updated the aws cli recently, or used one of their dev/nightly or something branches |
| 00:56:04 | <fireonlive> | but memory super fuzzy lol |
| 01:00:36 | <fireonlive> | https://blog.sonatype.com/npm-libraries-colors-and-faker-sabotaged-in-protest-by-their-maintainer-what-to-do-now |
| 01:00:39 | <fireonlive> | colors and faker? |
| 01:01:35 | <fireonlive> | `Developers contributing to well-known OSS projects, including Amazon’s Cloud Development Kit (aws-cdk), Facebook’s Jest, Javascripting project, and Node.js Open CLI Framework, were all impacted and expressed concerns as to if ‘colors’ had been hijacked. |
| 01:01:35 | <fireonlive> | Around the same time, colors’ developer Squires mockingly posted on GitHub: “It's come to our attention that there is a zalgo bug in the v1.4.44-liberty-2 release of colors.` |
| 01:01:37 | <fireonlive> | ye |
| 01:01:54 | <fireonlive> | got my three letters after aws confused i guess lol, unless cli depends on cdk :p |
| 01:02:47 | <fireonlive> | ah yes i do remember 'pay me or fork this' |
| 01:02:59 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 01:03:10 | <@JAA> | Yeah, the colors/faker incident was interesting. |
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| 01:07:53 | <fireonlive> | 'supply chain security' is an interesting problem :D |
| 01:08:03 | <fireonlive> | and yeah for sure |
| 01:10:56 | <@JAA> | Just pin the entire dependency tree. Generates job security since it needs to be constantly updated. |
| 01:11:37 | <fireonlive> | haha for sho |
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| 02:43:51 | <imer> | "Excess Flood" does the lounge not do proper pacing? lol |
| 02:46:54 | <fireonlive> | hm it does for me |
| 02:46:59 | <fireonlive> | at least joining channels on reconnect |
| 02:47:17 | <fireonlive> | but for like pasting text, absolutely not |
| 02:49:13 | <fireonlive> | you have a lot of on-reconnect commands perhaps? |
| 03:03:50 | <imer> | nah, only 2 |
| 03:04:16 | <imer> | it worked 2nd try without changing anything thankfully, so dunno |
| 03:11:14 | <fireonlive> | o odd |
| 03:11:15 | <fireonlive> | oh* |
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| 05:00:09 | <fireonlive> | $ find ~/tomove -type f | wc -l -> 4 540 999 -> kill me :D |
| 05:00:59 | <fireonlive> | at least that's started now though and soon i can murder the thing that "was only going to be up for like a week, two at max": up 112 days, 1:00 |
| 05:01:11 | <fireonlive> | nothing more permanent than a temporary..? |
| 05:01:24 | <@JAA> | `find -type l | wc -l` → 4176526 |
| 05:01:27 | <@JAA> | Me too, thanks. |
| 05:02:44 | <@JAA> | My file system has been unhappy about this for some time now. |
| 05:04:37 | <@JAA> | And yes, this was also a temporary fix, a couple years ago. lol |
| 05:05:13 | <fireonlive> | X_X |
| 05:06:44 | <fireonlive> | all those symlinks scare me |
| 05:06:48 | <fireonlive> | but :3 |
| 05:07:32 | <@JAA> | At least they aren't symlink → symlink → symlink → symlink → ... |
| 05:07:44 | <nicolas17> | I did that once |
| 05:08:11 | <@JAA> | It is one of those things you only do once. :-P |
| 05:08:59 | <nicolas17> | 8->7->6->5->4->3->2->1, then I create file 1 and all files show up as 1 when I read them, then I create file 4 and half the files show up as 1 and half as 4 |
| 05:09:09 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 05:09:10 | <nicolas17> | works great for stuff like animation frames, it's like it has a lower frame rate |
| 05:09:18 | <nicolas17> | THE PROBLEM IS |
| 05:09:49 | <nicolas17> | ELOOP when there are too many such links >.> |
| 05:10:01 | <nicolas17> | so yeah, one of those things you only do once |
| 05:10:08 | <fireonlive> | løøps |
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| 05:11:50 | <that_lurker> | https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/a567aa8df3b8404f/DidYouSayLoops.jpg |
| 05:12:47 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 05:29:13 | <flashfire42> | https://forum.warthunder.com/t/eurofighter-typhoon-da7/9578/4 AGAIN |
| 06:05:46 | <imer> | lol |
| 06:10:51 | <BPCZ> | Why is it always the most insufferable ones that are like. BA in finance, hacker boot camp, 6 month data analysis, 15 month senior node.js dev, 17 month node.js DevOPs, 3 years lead software engineer, 2 years AWS software engineering manager. Posting about how 200k is nothing |
| 06:12:34 | <fireonlive> | 'i snort 200k every day' |
| 06:15:46 | <BPCZ> | Invariably they live in LA or Seattle and post about how being a landlord is the only way to make real money |
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| 06:52:30 | <fireonlive> | -+rss- Grumpy Website: https://grumpy.website/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37303554 |
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| 17:01:53 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ: happy Google Cloud Next day :p |
| 17:03:29 | <fireonlive> | “yahoo is migrating over 500M mailboxes with 500PB of data to GCP” lol |
| 17:03:43 | <nyany> | wcgw |
| 17:08:23 | <nicolas17> | hope they use object storage |
| 17:08:58 | <nicolas17> | I'm sure the *vast* majority of mailboxes are abandoned and can go to archive-tier storage |
| 17:11:59 | <nstrom|m> | yahoo mail is terrible, gets so much spam and very poor spam auto detection |
| 17:12:04 | <fireonlive> | ah yes for sure |
| 17:12:14 | <fireonlive> | i think they already did some purging too |
| 17:12:28 | <fireonlive> | and username/namespace reuse(!) |
| 17:14:44 | <BPCZ> | I’m shocked yahoo had 500PiB of storage |
| 17:15:15 | <BPCZ> | So weird to think that project was probably a full team to support the transition on both sides |
| 17:16:09 | <fireonlive> | yeah o_o |
| 17:16:26 | <fireonlive> | i wonder what kind of deal they cut too |
| 17:17:06 | <nicolas17> | yeah, cloud services like GCP and AWS like tell you it's all unlimited but reality is you *can't* just upload 500PiB and get your billion dollar bill |
| 17:17:58 | <@JAA> | Just order five snowmobiles? |
| 17:18:17 | <nicolas17> | JAA: at that scale they'll need advance notice for the storage, not just the transfer |
| 17:19:01 | <nicolas17> | I heard Google has an internal codename "bigfoot" for Apple as a storage customer |
| 17:19:03 | <@JAA> | How much advance notice though? Getting a Snowmobile takes a while anyway. |
| 17:19:26 | <@JAA> | And it's a 'contact us to order one' thing, too. |
| 17:19:29 | <BPCZ> | nicolas17: I’ve talked about that heavily |
| 17:19:36 | <nicolas17> | and as fireonlive said, at that scale you also negotiate a billing deal too :P |
| 17:19:37 | <BPCZ> | All of iCloud is on gcp |
| 17:19:45 | <@JAA> | Yeah, true. |
| 17:19:48 | <nicolas17> | BPCZ: it's not |
| 17:19:49 | <nyany> | I have a semi related joke about storage... How many OVHCloud technicians does it take to replace a dead disk? |
| 17:19:59 | <nicolas17> | it's oddly scattered between GCP and Azure and AWS |
| 17:21:01 | <BPCZ> | All I’ve been told for sure is Apple pays ~1 billion a year on cloud storage. That being split across the 3 tracks given they’re probably replicating on all of them |
| 17:21:43 | <nicolas17> | afaik when your iPhone uploads something, it sends a request to Apple servers (on Apple datacenters) |
| 17:22:03 | <nicolas17> | and gets a presigned URL and other info for one of those cloud object storage services |
| 17:22:13 | <nicolas17> | then uploads the content directly there |
| 17:22:35 | <BPCZ> | Yeah, and that’s apple forcing them to all direct bid against each other |
| 17:22:42 | <@JAA> | nyany: Do tell. :-) |
| 17:23:18 | <nyany> | JAA: none, they have no technicians |
| 17:23:37 | <BPCZ> | nicolas17: I was told fairly straight up that apple has 10EB just in GCP |
| 17:24:11 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 17:24:43 | <BPCZ> | But getting any real number out of those people is hard |
| 17:25:28 | <BPCZ> | I only have the joy of dealing with 2EB of HDD in my job right now with another 3EB in ?? Planning |
| 17:25:41 | <BPCZ> | The scaling issues of lots of drives sucks so hard |
| 17:25:56 | <@JAA> | Wow, OpenSSH *finally* got a patch to defend against keystroke timing attacks. |
| 17:26:09 | <BPCZ> | BSD-ware |
| 17:26:24 | <@JAA> | Only about 4 decades late, but nice. |
| 17:26:41 | <nyany> | JAA: I was notified of the fault almost an hour ago, was sent an email saying there was an intervention scheduled |
| 17:26:50 | <nyany> | But it's still just sitting there in limbo |
| 17:28:07 | <nyany> | The funny thing is, I knew something was up when I walked into this so I took a backup while the server was still powered on. I was only notified of the fault when I rebooted to reinstall Debian |
| 17:28:18 | <nyany> | thank god for common sense! |
| 17:28:22 | <@JAA> | nyany: When transfer was down the other day due to some apparent hardware issue in the blade chassis, Scaleway took their sweet time to fix that. The incident was only created several hours after the outage started, and it was only marked resolved after ~33 hours (though stuff started working again a bit earlier). |
| 17:29:42 | <nyany> | damn |
| 17:32:55 | <fireonlive> | 10EB, damn |
| 17:33:15 | <fireonlive> | also scaleway pls |
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| 17:48:09 | <nyany> | JAA: Well, it's a good thing I didn't have anything better to do with my day! |
| 17:49:18 | <nyany> | I'd love to have seen the power on hours on the disk. Server has been running for about 9 years ish |
| 17:53:47 | <fireonlive> | i wonder what % of that 10EB is dick media :p |
| 17:54:59 | <nyany> | 6.9%. |
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| 18:00:39 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 18:01:33 | <fireonlive> | i’m surprised it’s so low! |
| 18:01:48 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: it's not the size it's how you use it |
| 18:02:03 | <fireonlive> | 😉😌 |
| 18:02:55 | <@JAA> | Speaking of which, how is Louis's cockring repair going? |
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| 18:05:40 | <@JAA> | Oh, there was another stream, missed that. |
| 18:07:59 | <fireonlive> | ooh |
| 18:08:08 | <fireonlive> | Google is advertising AlloyDB (and AlloyDB Omni) as a drop-in postgres replacement o_O https://cloud.google.com/alloydb/omni |
| 18:08:10 | <fireonlive> | never heard of it |
| 18:08:13 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 18:08:55 | <@JAA> | > Pricing |
| 18:08:59 | <@JAA> | Aaand I'm no longer interested. |
| 18:09:01 | <fireonlive> | ah, it’s paid/licensed even on your self run version |
| 18:09:02 | <fireonlive> | yep |
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| 18:15:33 | <fireonlive> | GCP casting major shade on azure lol |
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| 18:25:14 | <fireonlive> | “we provide a secure by design, secure by default cloud platform to run your business on. the importance of this strong foundation cannot be overlooked. according to clownvulndb.org [he meant cloudvulndb.org lol] - a community based website tracking cloud vuln. and security issues - GCP had 75% fewer critical and high severity vulnerabilities |
| 18:25:14 | <fireonlive> | since 2020 than one of the major cloud providers and 60% fewer vuln. than the other major cloud provider." "we're not built on a legacy foundation nor are we legacy-first in terms of our core services... and the consequence of a legacy-first innovation approach is clear when you see how often how other infrastructures are being exploited." |
| 18:25:19 | <fireonlive> | cc BPCZ lol |
| 18:27:04 | <nicolas17> | ehh |
| 18:27:29 | <fireonlive> | it's corporate auto-fellatio of course |
| 18:27:30 | <fireonlive> | but lol |
| 18:28:24 | <nicolas17> | azure certainly has some "legacy" |
| 18:28:52 | <nicolas17> | but they had several security issues that were just them fucking up and not to blame on legacy foundations |
| 18:37:35 | <fireonlive> | does the recent mailbox ticket thing count as not legacy |
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| 18:56:24 | <fireonlive> | could all the companies wishing to Yahoo! themselves please form an orderly, spaced out line thanks |
| 19:19:49 | <BPCZ> | fireonIive: it’s just them sucking themselves off on stage. |
| 19:24:09 | <fireonlive> | seemed like it |
| 19:24:57 | <fireonlive> | they got claps though which i guess boosted their ego :p |
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| 19:31:14 | <BPCZ> | Some middle managers is going to be promoted to L7 |
| 19:31:18 | <BPCZ> | Very important show |
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| 19:31:50 | <nicolas17> | and abandon the project they're currently bragging about |
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| 19:32:06 | <BPCZ> | Google is turning into modern IBM |
| 19:32:30 | <BPCZ> | The only way to be promoted is when people die or you lift 2 levels above your weight |
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| 20:07:59 | <fireonlive> | :( |
| 20:08:27 | <fireonlive> | new-feature/launched focused google sucks donkey balls |
| 20:08:35 | <fireonlive> | 🏀🏀 |
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| 20:21:04 | <BPCZ> | Everyone I know who’s young does no more than 5 years at google before running away to somewhere that will pay them super well |
| 20:24:28 | <BPCZ> | Meanwhile plenty of people I know at the end of their careers join to rehash the last decade of work they did elsewhere |
| 20:30:31 | <fireonlive> | sounds like a healthy well-balanced well-run company |
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| 22:01:24 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067236365714083960/1146190585653362888/README.md |
| 22:01:37 | <nicolas17> | Apple left source code docs behind in the last beta XD |
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| 22:05:16 | <fireonlive> | xD |
| 22:05:18 | <fireonlive> | interesting! |
| 22:05:32 | <fireonlive> | github.siri; i guess they segment it quite a bit |
| 22:05:40 | <fireonlive> | versus just one hub for all depts |
| 22:06:17 | <nicolas17> | or it's still a fragmented mess due to siri initially being an acquisition? lol |
| 22:06:24 | <nicolas17> | who knows |
| 22:06:34 | <fireonlive> | ahhh could be |
| 22:06:43 | <fireonlive> | i forgot they bought that for a minute |
| 22:06:59 | <nicolas17> | they do segment stuff quite heavily, but one would expect they could just trust repo ACLs for that |
| 22:07:14 | <fireonlive> | yeah you'd think |
| 22:07:34 | <nicolas17> | I saw an interview with ex-Apple people who worked on the first iPhone |
| 22:07:52 | <nicolas17> | one guy worked on the touch screen hardware |
| 22:07:55 | <nicolas17> | and it was like |
| 22:08:12 | <nicolas17> | do we get touches on the OS driver? okay you're done at that point |
| 22:08:27 | <nicolas17> | the first time he saw the "pinch to zoom" gesture was at the public announcement |
| 22:08:41 | <nicolas17> | that amount of siloing is *crazy* |
| 22:09:23 | <nicolas17> | almost nobody had seen the iPhone hardware and software together |
| 22:09:36 | <flashfire42> | I forgot siri wasnt developed in house originally |
| 22:10:09 | <nicolas17> | when the Swift language was announced, people joined #swift on freenode |
| 22:10:46 | <nicolas17> | and there were a few Apple employees there, who said they had learned about it at the same time as the public |
| 22:11:56 | <fireonlive> | lmao |
| 22:12:26 | <flashfire42> | I still remember the year in IT class where they put C++ textbooks on our purchase list and then when we bought this expensive ass textbook they were like "surprise we are actually going to be learning swift V2 and we dont know how it works properly either" |
| 22:12:39 | <fireonlive> | omg |
| 22:12:56 | <flashfire42> | because apple bought into the australian education department at that point and was offering everyone deals on fleets of ipads |
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| 22:13:14 | <flashfire42> | and nobody updated the textbook list from the previous year for IT |
| 22:13:18 | <nicolas17> | wtf |
| 22:13:29 | <fireonlive> | flashfire42: i didn't know you could iPads as fleets |
| 22:13:32 | <fireonlive> | :P |
| 22:13:40 | <fireonlive> | idk if that translates to AUS |
| 22:14:23 | <flashfire42> | I mean that the education department got bulk deals and then we basically paid them off over time with our school fees |
| 22:14:30 | <fireonlive> | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/718+ciLiNuL.jpg |
| 22:14:51 | <nicolas17> | x.x |
| 22:15:02 | <flashfire42> | they had the heaviest restrictions on them because they were school devices until you paid them off. |
| 22:15:19 | <flashfire42> | of course this was also around the time of the wireless keyboard exploit so we cracked that pretty quickly |
| 22:15:23 | <fireonlive> | ah ye, apple school manager |
| 22:16:15 | <flashfire42> | Restrictions profiles with a 4 digit code. Combine that with the wireless keyboard exploit and we got into them. They had to change the passcode every few months |
| 22:16:42 | <fireonlive> | haha |
| 22:16:56 | <flashfire42> | which was that connecting a wireless keyboard and attempting to put in the passcode didnt count as an attempt |
| 22:17:10 | <fireonlive> | silly apple |
| 22:17:16 | <flashfire42> | I dont remember exactly how long that worked for but it did indeed happen I am not hallucinating that I swear |
| 22:17:33 | <nicolas17> | so there was a tool that acted as a keyboard and bruteforced it? |
| 22:17:41 | <nicolas17> | or did you silly students type in thousands of codes manually? |
| 22:17:56 | <flashfire42> | manually. we had nothing better to do. we wanted to play our games on our ipads |
| 22:19:19 | <flashfire42> | They would also use the restrictions as a punishment. You were allowed 3 school approved games but if you were caught playing them in class they would delete the games and remove your app store access entirely. So they did that to the autistic kid as a punishment so he would play the educational games in class. fucker taught himself like 3 |
| 22:19:19 | <flashfire42> | languages using Education Perfect |
| 22:20:11 | <nicolas17> | lol |
| 22:21:18 | <flashfire42> | that boy had fingers that moved like lightning. used to play injustice gods among us in class and the first time we saw him playing it we thought he was having a fit but nah he was just tapping the screen lightning fast |
| 22:30:47 | <flashfire42|m> | Good times: used to snitch on obscure sites for the internet blocking systems so the IT department would ignore whatever the fuck I was doing |
| 22:36:09 | <fireonlive> | <joke about brown nose> |
| 23:08:38 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: https://www.apple.com/apple-events/ |
| 23:08:57 | <fireonlive> | via +rss- Apple Sep 2023 Event: “Wonderlust”: https://www.apple.com/apple-events/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37314892 |
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| 23:24:31 | <fireonlive> | https://x.com/aprime/status/1696597619936735568?s=12 “aprime” one of the linus media group editors departs the company |
| 23:24:32 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.net/aprime/status/1696597619936735568 |
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