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00:09:20<nulldata>So what it's saying is they need another hack after they come back lol
00:15:44<fireonlive>yep :P
00:15:59<fireonlive>another 🍓 and we're good
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02:26:50<nicolas17>I was downloading a file and it wouldn't go faster than 100Mbps
02:26:57<nicolas17>which is normal sometimes with this server
02:27:28<nicolas17>but even with "aria2c -x5", or downloading two different files and ensuring they were hitting different CDN IP addresses, the *total* speed refused to go past 100Mbps
02:27:34<nicolas17>turns out...
02:27:45<nicolas17>kernel: Generic FE-GE Realtek PHY r8169-0-200:00: Downshift occurred from negotiated speed 1Gbps to actual speed 100Mbps, check cabling!
02:27:46<nicolas17>kernel: r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Full (downshifted) - flow control rx/tx
02:28:24<nicolas17>I disconnected the cable between computer and router and connected it again
02:28:32<nicolas17>kernel: r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full - flow control rx/tx
02:28:51<nstrom|m>Heh that'll do it
02:29:38<systwi_>I think this is among most millennial-looking typefaces out there: https://www.ahintofhoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/hintofhoney-logo.png
02:29:55<systwi_>Just needs to say "live, laugh, love."
02:30:10<systwi_>Or "my world revolves around my cat."
02:30:44<systwi_>printed on the side of a teal and white coffee mug.
02:31:54<fireonlive>"throw me into the meat grinder"
02:32:04<fireonlive>"no funeral"
02:39:54<systwi_>Heh, sure. :-P
02:40:04<systwi_>For those edgier millennials out there.
02:40:09<fireonlive>:3
02:42:54<nicolas17>systwi_ fireonlive: https://i.redd.it/ojr9t76mfl691.jpg
02:43:04<fireonlive>:3
02:43:20<systwi_>Ohhhh, goodness. :-P
02:43:57<systwi_>TIL there's a lite.duckduckgo.com. Just searched with it by mistake, somehow.
02:47:23<TheTechRobo>DuckDuckGo HD Lite (with an in-app purchase to upgrade to DuckDuckGo HD+)
02:48:39<systwi_>Haha, why not. :-P
02:49:54<fireonlive>i use brave search to yahoo ecosia to duckduckgo bing then use bing to google and then enter my web search query on google
02:51:32<fireonlive>not sure what rewby's up to, but i'm picturing him at a rave tonight
02:51:37<fireonlive>🎵🎵🎵
02:51:58<TheTechRobo>Hopefully having some well-deserved rest
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03:00:33<nicolas17>fireonlive: https://twitter.com/browserdotsys/status/1692703630665621837
03:00:34<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/browserdotsys/status/1692703630665621837
03:00:52<fireonlive>oh no nitter is broken again
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03:01:19<fireonlive>nicolas17: true true
03:01:21<fireonlive>:3
03:01:31<nicolas17>>.<
03:03:17<fireonlive>,, foreach chan {#archiveteam-ot #archivetam-bs} { channel set $chan -nitter }
03:03:18<eggdrop>error 1: no such channel record -2ms-
03:03:22<fireonlive>o
03:03:26<fireonlive>i hate tcl
03:04:20<fireonlive>aanyways tis off again
03:05:42<fireonlive>mostly because if orgot how tust it
03:05:43<fireonlive>to ue it
03:07:41<fireonlive>i should make an actual on/off for it at some point but i'm too tired now
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03:07:45<fireonlive>:3
03:16:20<fireonlive>/msg nickserv set password $ET?!B9h?+RG_G(pFlPX[cF"7hDIi[1w
03:18:21<systwi_>/msg NickServ SET PASSWORD hunter2
03:18:40<systwi_>Is my password censored to you guys? :-P
03:32:22<HP_Archivist>No, it's not, systwi
03:32:26<HP_Archivist>Lol
03:32:36<HP_Archivist>Change that password ^
03:33:01<HP_Archivist>Type that in the hackint channel
03:33:45<fireonlive>HP_Archivist: http://web.archive.org/web/20230714161217/http://bash.org/?244321
03:34:01<systwi_>Oh, I was just about to paste: https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1zaefg/why_does_everyone_respond_hunter2_when_people/
03:34:12<fireonlive>:3
03:34:22<systwi_>Hehehe.
03:34:43<HP_Archivist>Lol
03:35:44<systwi_>I like how the last line from Cthon98 shows both "*******" and "hunter2."
03:38:15<fireonlive>hmmm bash.org's old old modapp shows josh&bash.org for the email; and the email is google workspace
03:38:25<fireonlive>anyone want to give joshy a polite email asking about it lol
03:39:06<fireonlive>cc nicolas17
03:39:26<fireonlive>email for bash.org sits on google workspace now*
03:40:04<systwi_>There was an easteregg about this in SUPERHOT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEkviDwseik&t=17m42s
03:42:23<fireonlive>lol nice
04:13:07<fireonlive>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QLNPnzeCds&t=40s
04:13:08<fireonlive>??
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04:32:53<fireonlive>https://x.com/swiftonsecurity/status/1692739067933319526?s=12
04:34:27<systwi_>Heh, a low-blow there re: that tweet. :-P
04:34:51<systwi_>Pretty accurate with that video too.
04:35:31<systwi_>We're sorry...that you expect this much of us.
04:45:57<fireonlive>https://mkx9delh5a.execute-api.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/c984bacc7e33eb44/image.png
04:46:46<fireonlive>always a brief pause while it loads the preview and I hope its the right image
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05:14:38<systwi>Hehe, clever
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06:14:56<fireonlive>https://mkx9delh5a.execute-api.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/e937a8c388df10f4/image.png
06:14:59<fireonlive>:(
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07:02:37<flashfire42>https://www.tumblr.com/blog_auth/50 cant say I have ever seen that before. Blog authorization?
07:04:12<fireonlive>night all, there's the bee movie in #fire-spam
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07:45:34<fireonlive>hot local singles*
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08:27:02<thuban>flashfire42: that's been a feature for a long time
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13:10:50<Notrealname1234>Just checked the logs and found out arkiver JAA Exorcism and qyxojzh were laughing about me in the archiveteam channel, why? you can check the logs to see if i really got a response or not.
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13:13:44<petrichor|m>is there a reason why the main #archiveteam room on Matrix has no room name or addresses? it just appears like a gigantic private group chat
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13:14:03<petrichor|m>yet it's bridged to irc just fine, same as this one
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13:17:37petrichor|m uploaded an image: (108KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/c883ddcd4b07479f9907a6a1568da16759dda412/Screenshot_20230819-141632.png >
13:17:47<petrichor|m>vs this...
13:18:12petrichor|m uploaded an image: (106KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/e324a46378188bb1bb7e8fc61771715b7f72aa54/Screenshot_20230819-141651.png >
13:18:13<@kaz>Notrealname1234: because if you leave a channel, most people assume you are not going to read logs to work out if someone replied to you
13:18:19<@kaz>like walking out of a room after asking a question
13:19:32<Notrealname1234>kaz they didnt even check the logs for 18th august 2023. (my first try is there, but i didnt get a response.)
13:19:48<@JAA>Notrealname1234: I saw your message yesterday, and you also left minutes later then.
13:20:08<@JAA>We have no way of knowing that you read logs. Many people drop by and then vanish never to be seen again.
13:20:15<@JAA>So I don't waste time replying to people who have left.
13:20:30<Notrealname1234>JAA its because i cant wait.
13:21:41<@JAA>Well, ok, but now at least you understand why you don't get responses then.
13:21:48<@kaz>Odd to expect that people reply to your demands immediately in that case
13:22:52<Notrealname1234>JAA atletas until i forget (which i do commonly) (:troll:)
13:23:06<Notrealname1234>gosh autocorrect
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14:24:34<Exorcism>petrichor|m: quit and rejoin, normally this should fix it
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14:46:37<nukke>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F316VxsXoAAi71i?format=jpg&name=large
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14:47:33<nukke>what a dummy
14:48:19<nstrom>maybe it's just me but matrix bridge seems to be having some issues atm
14:54:04<nulldata>https://www.reuters.com/technology/canada-demands-meta-lift-ban-news-allow-fires-info-be-shared-2023-08-18/ - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
14:57:38<nstrom>baffling. what does Canada expect when they enact a draconian law like that
14:59:34<imer>a similar thing has played out in various contries in europe and australia I think now to varying degrees of success?
14:59:36<nstrom>they want to restrict the free flow of information, they got what they asked for
14:59:55<imer>usually doesn't result in a permanent news removal though
15:00:21<TheTechRobo>Ugh why did Vultr feel the need to change their UI
15:01:43<pabs>Facebook is probably better without news anyway
15:03:45<nstrom>I have no horse in the race, not canadian nor do I have a facebook account or care what goes on in that platform
15:03:57<nstrom>the Canadian law seems poorly thought out though regardless of if it was done with good intentions
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17:35:33<DigitalDragons>can't believe i'm siding with meta of all things
17:36:55<@JAA>Don't forget the cage fight.
17:36:58<@JAA>Weird timeline for sure.
17:40:25<Barto>prolly someone found a sport almanac with future events, and we forked from there
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19:31:17<nicolas17>fuuuuuuck
19:31:39<nicolas17>a year ago I asked for product recommendations on twitter
19:31:43<nicolas17>someone replied
19:31:51<nicolas17>they have since deleted their account
19:34:40<fireonlive>:(
19:35:56<Barto>first time? :)
19:36:40<nicolas17>no
19:36:49<nicolas17>>_<
19:37:17<nicolas17>wtf clipboard pasting isn't working on whatsapp web
19:37:40<fireonlive>what’sapp with that!
19:42:07<@rewby>WhatsApp can go die in a hole. I just wish it wasn't mandatory in this country
19:49:56<fireonlive>12:14:11 PM -+rss- Iraq Blocks Telegram, Leaks Blackhole BGP Routes: https://www.kentik.com/blog/iraq-blocks-telegram-leaks-blackhole-bgp-routes/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37191332
19:50:22<fireonlive>i’m sure rpki isn’t even a glimmer in anyone at my isp’s eyes, just like ipv6 isn’t
20:15:50<BPCZ>ipv6 is actually getting enterprise traction
20:16:30<BPCZ>For better or worse with some of the routing schemes I’ve seen from software developed for k8s first deployments
20:18:00<@rewby>RPKI is a nice idea, but genuinely doesn't help too much for many cases
20:18:11<@rewby>It's better than nothing though
20:18:58<BPCZ>I would much rather see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_data_networking take off
20:19:09<BPCZ>Death to IP
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20:51:25<@rewby>BPCZ: I honestly doubt that'll take off. Just reading the first bits of the wiki page tells me that it's likely not going to scale to the internet
21:08:33<nukke>anyone else a mad fan of adhesive? https://keanova.nl/cdn/shop/products/907x1200.jpg?v=1680874617&width=823
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21:14:46<BPCZ>rewby: it can overlay IP as a distribution mechanism
21:15:28<BPCZ>Why wouldn’t it scale in your mind?
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21:15:41<@rewby>BPCZ: The stateful forwarding plane.
21:15:50<@rewby>Consider that the internet is quite... large
21:15:53<@rewby>With a lot of volume
21:16:05<@rewby>A lot of it tends to end up going through surprisingly few routers
21:16:38<@rewby>Routers handling 100s of gigabits aren't uncommon. Terabits are also not unheard off in the really big transit networks
21:16:44<BPCZ>That’s just a routing mechanism that already is running the existing for routers
21:16:52<@rewby>Consider that every packet needs the router to maintain state
21:16:55<BPCZ>The discovery mechanism isn’t the data transit mechanism
21:17:35<@rewby>I'm talkinga bout the data transit mechansim though
21:17:43<@rewby>Because that's literally what the page you linked to says needs to maintain state as well
21:18:09<@rewby>"The PIT state at each router supports forwarding across NDN's data plane, recording each pending Interest and the incoming interface(s), and removing the Interest after the matching Data is received or a timeout occurs. This per hop, per packet state differs from IP's stateless data plane. Based on information in the FIB and performance measurements, an adaptive forwarding
21:18:10<@rewby>strategy module in each router makes informed decisions about: "
21:18:15<@rewby>Literally, that does not scale
21:18:18<@rewby>In the slightest
21:18:28<@rewby>Not at the 100s of gigabits or terabits scale
21:18:46<@rewby>You'd need an insane amount of ram chips with stupid amounts of bandwidth to make any of that work
21:19:04<BPCZ>Sec
21:19:10<@rewby>" differs from IP's stateless data plane." IP is stateless for a reason
21:19:23<@rewby>You genuinely can't do state at these scales without it becoming stupidly expensive
21:19:46<@rewby>And like, sure, you can carry NDN over ip
21:20:00<@rewby>But your argument was that you wanted IP to die in favor of NDN
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21:31:00<BPCZ>rewby: ok so you don’t need to persist data state in routers. The interest entry is the content hash not the content. But also the routers don’t need to persist all interest entries just hot routes. A lot of the writing on this is shit because 1) Wikipedia and 2) the system is designed to work over any backend including itself so you can have data persisting routers or stateless routers
21:31:00<BPCZ>depending on the size of the network
21:31:41<@rewby>The interest entry is still a problem
21:31:49<@rewby>A few bytes per packet still adds up at this scale
21:32:03<@rewby>millions of packets per second is not unusual
21:32:10<BPCZ>Again, not needed at core routing scale
21:32:12<@rewby>Not even on small stuff
21:33:07<@rewby>I remain unconvinced until someone figures out a hardware router for this. FPGA is acceptable.
21:33:19<@rewby>Based on a cursory google, I can only find software implementations
21:33:33<BPCZ>Because it’s still a research product
21:33:43<BPCZ>Project*
21:34:27<@rewby>I understand that. But also, I see a lot of things here that to me feel like a repeat of past things
21:35:01<@rewby>I'll ignore the encryption parts, because I don't particularly care.
21:35:09<@rewby>Although I can imagine IoT people hating those parts
21:36:43<BPCZ>Do you also hate QUIC
21:37:03<BPCZ>TCP/UDP forever no improvement or alterations
21:37:06<@rewby>As an archivist: Yes. As a computer person: no
21:37:47<@rewby>I fully accept we need to make progress. But if there's *any* lesson to be learned from ipv6: New stuff needs to be compatible with old stuff if you want the internet to adopt it.
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21:38:24<@rewby>As for NDN, running it below IP (or an IP replacement) doesn't make sense to me
21:38:46<@rewby>I get that they wanna shift focus to where data lives rather than where machines live
21:38:50<@rewby>But the fact is: data lives on machines
21:39:05<@rewby>Granted, there is not a 1:1 correlation like there used to be
21:39:25<@rewby>But in the end, you are trying to move data from computer A to computer B
21:39:42<@rewby>So I think it makes more sense to do this at layer 4 or something
21:39:54<@rewby>In fact, layer 3's existence is quite interesting in and of itself
21:40:27<@rewby>Created to solve the problem of "well, we've given each device a unique address. But how are we going to actually move data to these addresses without having massive routing tables"
21:41:19<@rewby>But also, from my experience working with researchers: They don't talk to the engineers implementing things often enough. They like their ivory tower of papers they can cite a bit too much
21:41:48<@rewby>There's a lot of things out there and issues people have discovered and solved that you can't find in IEEExplore or Nature
21:41:58<@rewby>And they tend to forget that
21:42:52<@rewby>They're generally nice people who try to improve the world and the state of human knowledge
21:42:58<@rewby>But I find them often a bit out of touch
21:43:57<@rewby>I see some of the stuff that is considered an advanced research project and go like "this already exists. And it works better than what you've constructed"
21:44:33<@rewby>That said, sometimes I see something and go "holy crap that's amazing"
21:45:32<@rewby>But I think I'm on a tangent here
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22:00:56<nulldata>https://mastodon.cloud/@ritchey_de/110918269896910348 - very shocking
22:06:00<nukke>"how much power can this cable provide?" "yes."
22:09:47<Barto>wtf
22:11:14<@rewby>nukke: No the ones that can provide "yes" power are powersafe connectors
22:11:23<fireonlive>does anyone else's 'unique z-library' subdomains just redirect to https://zlibrary-ca.se now?
22:11:31<@rewby>It's what the event industry uses to attach generators to power distribution
22:11:35<@rewby>Rated for 500A
22:11:38<@rewby>At 480V
22:11:55<@rewby>Now that's what I consider "how much power?" "yes"
22:12:19<fireonlive>for real fun grab on to bare wires with wet hands
22:12:25<fireonlive>(wet, salty)
22:12:30<@rewby>They're designed to be safe for that actually
22:12:35<@rewby>Again, event industry
22:12:37<fireonlive>damn
22:12:39<@rewby>think music festivals and stuff
22:12:44<fireonlive>ah yeah
22:13:17<fireonlive>temporary 'fairgrounds'
22:13:29<@rewby>I've seen them in use more at music festivals
22:13:36<fireonlive>rewby: was I right and were you at a rave last night :p
22:13:36<@rewby>Where you have many kilowatts of lighting and audio
22:13:40<@rewby>I was not
22:13:46<fireonlive>ah darn :3
22:14:08<@rewby>I do, however, know people who work in the music festival industry
22:14:14<fireonlive>:)
22:14:31<fireonlive>you're everything everywhere all at once it seems, rewbs
22:14:33<@rewby>And that lot use a serious amount of power
22:14:39<@rewby>?
22:14:45<@rewby>What do you mean everything everywhere?
22:15:21<fireonlive>lots of industries
22:16:12<@rewby>My hobbies include: Retro computing, (Phone) Telecoms, Computer Networking, Homelabbing, Electronics and Event Audio/Lighting
22:16:25<@rewby>I'm also employed as a sysadmin
22:17:31<fireonlive>:)
22:17:47<@rewby>Oh and trains
22:17:50<@rewby>I do quite enjoy trains
22:17:58<@rewby>Planes are also very fascinating
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22:18:47<fireonlive>something quite safety critical as that is quite interesting
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22:19:23<@rewby>I also am wanting to get into metal machining. But that's a thing for later
22:19:45<fireonlive>just be safe there :p
22:20:41<@rewby>As I said, for later
22:22:51<fireonlive>mm
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22:53:55<nulldata>Just to round it out, what about Automobiles? :P
22:59:19<fireonlive>:P
22:59:27<fireonlive>sup nulldata đź‘€
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23:17:43<nulldata>*looks up* a ceiling and a light
23:19:04<fireonlive>:3
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23:36:23<@arkiver>Notrealname1234: where did i laugh? you send me bits of logs over PM, i don't see my nick having send out a message in those
23:37:18<@JAA>arkiver: You didn't, you were just pinged there, and they misread.
23:37:50<@arkiver>Notrealname1234: so, since you're not sticking around but apparently reading logs, i'm not a big fan the way you phrased your question
23:38:28<@arkiver>regarding the "why the heck" did i laugh about you, while i don't see myself laughing about you in the pieces of logs you pasted to me
23:39:03<@arkiver>politeness going out the door recently
23:41:25<@arkiver>hmm. or statistically just more people at Archive Team, and rude people stand out, hence seemingly less politeness
23:47:00<fireonlive>:(
23:57:19<nulldata>Trolls and rude people, while minority, tend to be the most vocal on the Internet sadly
23:58:44<nulldata>Thank you for all you do arkiver!
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