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| 00:28:23 | <fireonlive> | poor nicolas17 and his shitty modemrouter |
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| 00:30:47 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: time to put that piece of shit into bridge mode :D |
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| 00:48:38 | <Dango360> | the official pokemon forums has opened up https://community.pokemon.com/en-us/ |
| 00:49:45 | <Dango360> | hilarity ensues https://imgur.com/a/IRq4gTz |
| 00:50:00 | <Dango360> | someone elses imgur link btw |
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| 00:57:17 | <fireonlive> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0OvLVyX0AAumn6?format=png&name=orig |
| 00:58:55 | <@JAA> | Time to archive those forums before they get wiped or something. |
| 00:59:07 | <fireonlive> | i was just thinking that |
| 00:59:14 | <fireonlive> | those are not going to last very long lol |
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| 01:01:18 | <fireonlive> | forum-dl doesn't seem to like it |
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| 01:01:26 | <fireonlive> | but JAA won't take my warcs anyways uwu |
| 01:01:30 | <fireonlive> | 🥺 |
| 01:01:33 | <fireonlive> | 😢 |
| 01:01:34 | <thuban> | ok, i beat that password game |
| 01:01:46 | <thuban> | evil, would not play again |
| 01:01:56 | <fireonlive> | :D |
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| 01:02:35 | <fireonlive> | i wonder if archivebot would chew on that |
| 01:06:09 | <fireonlive> | https://community.pokemon.com/en-us/discussion/5184/which-pokemon-would-you-eat-for-lunch |
| 01:06:19 | <fireonlive> | so they just released this to the world and went 'we don't need no moderation' |
| 01:06:23 | <fireonlive> | then went home for the day? |
| 01:16:12 | <Dango360> | seems to only be a few hours old; i'm guessing they're having a lunch break |
| 01:16:31 | <Dango360> | the shock they're gonna have when they come back |
| 01:19:31 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/nuT9n/1688519952.png |
| 01:19:34 | <fireonlive> | who up rn |
| 01:22:56 | <Dango360> | i think that AT should have a page checking for upcoming or new websites/services; a "lifewatch", if you will |
| 01:33:49 | <fireonlive> | we could raise funds by having a betting pool on when we think the service will die |
| 01:33:50 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 01:37:21 | <Dango360> | google's services would be easy to bet on |
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| 01:41:53 | <fireonlive> | haha yep |
| 01:44:38 | <@JAA> | I wiped one of my OVH servers and powered if off. Now OVH emailed me that there's an incident with my server. :-) |
| 01:45:08 | <JTL> | "Self inflicted" |
| 01:55:26 | <imer> | gotta say though, that is amazing if your server actually just up and kills itself. wake up in the morning and there'll be an email "yeah a tech did a hard reset and it booted" (assuming that's still how that works, no issues with my sole remaining dedi in years) |
| 01:55:51 | <fireonlive> | JAA: was that the spendy old one you were meaning to move off of? |
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| 01:56:55 | <fireonlive> | i just started data transfer for the one i want to get rid of eventually.. so that's one part of a few :d |
| 02:01:34 | <@JAA> | imer: At least on OVH proper, you can configure what you want them to do, but yes, that can happen. This one is actually still an old SYS server, and the options are more limited there. |
| 02:02:02 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: No, an AB pipeline with failed RAM that has since been replaced by a slightly cheaper and better machine. |
| 02:02:05 | <fireonlive> | soyoustart! |
| 02:02:14 | <fireonlive> | JAA: ah :) |
| 02:02:31 | <fireonlive> | ahh, dedis and failing hardware lol |
| 02:02:47 | <@JAA> | Fun corrupted SQLite DBs and whatnot. |
| 02:02:57 | <fireonlive> | oooof |
| 02:03:11 | <fireonlive> | when your sqlite corrupts you know something is super fucked up |
| 02:03:12 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 02:03:15 | <@JAA> | The new server has ECC RAM and twice the disk space and is a bit cheaper. Not going to complain. :-) |
| 02:03:22 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 02:03:36 | <@JAA> | Well, the new server pair, actually. |
| 02:06:13 | <@JAA> | Incident resolved: client disabled monitoring. |
| 02:06:14 | <@JAA> | :-D |
| 02:06:35 | <TheTechRobo> | JAA: I think this is the first time I've ever seen you use ":-D" |
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| 02:14:08 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
| 02:14:22 | <fireonlive> | time to grep my logs |
| 02:15:21 | <fireonlive> | yup, first time |
| 02:15:51 | <fireonlive> | <commemorative_plaque.jpg> |
| 02:16:21 | <flashfire42> | Not including archivebot or? I see JAA use those emoticons all the time |
| 02:16:45 | <fireonlive> | first time they've given us the D |
| 02:17:14 | <flashfire42> | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 02:17:50 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 02:19:39 | <TheTechRobo> | It's always :-) |
| 02:20:22 | <fireonlive> | just wait until he PMs you :-@ |
| 02:22:44 | <@JAA> | Just the first time in your logs. :-P |
| 02:23:17 | <@JAA> | Looks like my last uses were over on Libera though, and the last one here on hackint was two years ago. |
| 02:23:30 | <jamesp> | :D |
| 02:23:34 | <jamesp> | :P |
| 02:23:52 | <jamesp> | I used a D then a P in each respective case |
| 02:24:05 | <jamesp> | like you would see in plaintext IRC |
| 02:24:45 | <TheTechRobo> | I do emoticons kinda weirdly. I do :P and :D, but then I picked up :-) from JAA because :) looks... off to me |
| 02:24:48 | <fireonlive> | too much room and gloom here with all the websites shredding data |
| 02:24:54 | <fireonlive> | doom* |
| 02:25:00 | <fireonlive> | need an AT fiesta |
| 02:25:19 | <jamesp> | sometimes we just need to break out some fun like we usually do, so we do it here |
| 02:30:30 | <fireonlive> | https://www.engadget.com/googles-updated-privacy-policy-states-it-can-use-public-data-to-train-its-ai-models-095541684.html |
| 02:30:49 | <fireonlive> | sorry here’s more sadness :D |
| 02:32:47 | <BPCZ> | You will be forcibly trained into the algorithm |
| 02:33:37 | <jamesp> | Better way to read the article: http://frogfind.com/read.php?a=https://www.engadget.com/googles-updated-privacy-policy-states-it-can-use-public-data-to-train-its-ai-models-095541684.html |
| 02:34:38 | <jamesp> | they're granted full access to scrape data, but we're banned from scraping our favorite videos |
| 02:36:14 | <@JAA> | The training will continue until morale improves. |
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| 03:00:44 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ: train me daddy |
| 03:00:46 | <BPCZ> | You must watch the ads to consume the google media now or we’ll blacklist your entire IP |
| 03:00:50 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 03:01:17 | <BPCZ> | Avoiding YouTube ads will mean loss of gmail privileges |
| 03:01:29 | <@JAA> | Please drink a verification can. |
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| 03:01:53 | <fireonlive> | can the verification can have some thc in it 🥺 |
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| 03:03:24 | <BPCZ> | adrafinil only |
| 03:03:58 | <BPCZ> | You must be a productive monkey and feed the silicon beast with your brain output |
| 03:04:00 | <fireonlive> | :( |
| 03:05:13 | <fireonlive> | soon all our day jobs will be identifying traffic lights |
| 03:07:05 | <BPCZ> | My day job is live testing the child detection algorithms on SFs streets. |
| 03:07:07 | <BPCZ> | I keep telling my boss they need to start paying a base of 600k because people aren’t having enough kids to keep up with the ones we lose to testing |
| 03:08:04 | <fireonlive> | time to start a breeding farm |
| 03:08:17 | <BPCZ> | Elon is a child maximalist though so he allots 12 hours off for the mother to birth or 16 hours if it’s one of his |
| 03:12:00 | <fireonlive> | how much can we expect his seed to rain down? |
| 03:13:42 | <BPCZ> | Well he has over 30 kids now |
| 03:16:58 | <fireonlive> | jeez |
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| 03:43:33 | <fireonlive> | "ZFS 2.2.0 (RC): Block Cloning merged" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36588240 :o |
| 04:09:00 | <BPCZ> | 😬 |
| 04:09:57 | <BPCZ> | Knowing the pain behind the deployment of this stuff at scale and how much data shops have lost already I look forward to those same shops having more guns to point at their feet |
| 04:10:44 | <BPCZ> | Maybe don’t run a 12 wide z2 vdev in production |
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| 04:11:34 | <imer> | or.. do.. but have backups |
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| 04:14:50 | <fireonlive> | what's a.... bac..kup? |
| 04:16:36 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: https://i.imgur.com/kOudr.jpg |
| 04:16:57 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 04:17:32 | <BPCZ> | imer: what if I told you that was the backup system |
| 04:18:06 | <BPCZ> | Never did find out if the data they lost made it to tape |
| 04:18:18 | <fireonlive> | LTT? |
| 04:18:27 | <fireonlive> | scrubs are for scrubs? |
| 04:18:30 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 04:18:40 | <BPCZ> | Na IBM related crap |
| 04:18:44 | <fireonlive> | ah |
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| 04:36:25 | <fireonlive> | so the way telegram handles formatted text is kinda.... special |
| 04:36:43 | <fireonlive> | your bot sends it html or whatever and the message comes back as plain text with something like this: https://bpa.st/CKD3E |
| 04:36:53 | <fireonlive> | offset, length, type |
| 04:36:57 | <fireonlive> | o_O |
| 04:38:32 | <thuban> | tumblr does something similar internally for span-level formatting |
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| 04:38:48 | <thuban> | (the block-level formatting is even wackier) |
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| 04:41:11 | <fireonlive> | huh interesting |
| 04:41:19 | <fireonlive> | i guess it..works |
| 04:41:44 | <BPCZ> | The curse of backward compatibility |
| 04:42:28 | <thuban> | (i wrote an alternative frontend and i keep having to revise the post renderer to account for increasingly bonkers elements... and that's not even touching the dozens of _inherently_ ambiguous or nonsensical possibilities in the data structure.) |
| 04:43:21 | <fireonlive> | o_o jee |
| 04:44:01 | <thuban> | (does tumblr make any effort to validate post creation? idk lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) |
| 04:45:28 | <fireonlive> | they made efforts to purge porn >:( |
| 04:54:27 | <imer> | BPCZ: not the *only* backup though.. right? riight? |
| 04:54:27 | <imer> | and yeah the whole ltt thing was just bad. lol |
| 04:55:11 | <fireonlive> | at least they're using trunas or something now i guess.. |
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| 05:03:48 | <imer> | so, fun fact. apparently you can crash pihole by doing too many dns queries? I don't quite understand how that works https://github.com/pi-hole/docker-pi-hole/issues/571 |
| 05:04:00 | <imer> | sounds like bad software to meee |
| 05:04:59 | <imer> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/W8YKy/2023-07-05_07-04-28_yfmbSPw8kh.png and yeah it's #//'s fault |
| 05:05:31 | <imer> | "i should use local dns to not spam public resolvers, thats a great idea" *local dns randomly stops working* |
| 05:06:02 | <BPCZ> | imer, they were technically a TSI site so even telling me about the dataloss in the first place was lol |
| 05:06:45 | <BPCZ> | but knowing how these systems work there's a lot of single data loss petabytes for these things that are only protected by like a halogen system if that |
| 05:07:09 | <imer> | must not be very valuable data then :D |
| 05:07:26 | <BPCZ> | just science shit |
| 05:08:07 | | BPCZ remembers the 250PiB of science shit NASA put into a public S3 bucket |
| 05:08:09 | <BPCZ> | oh god |
| 05:08:47 | <fireonlive> | a million queries haha |
| 05:09:36 | <fireonlive> | but yeah it shouldn't just crash like that |
| 05:09:43 | <fireonlive> | BPCZ: those cloud bills 🤩 |
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| 05:22:09 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/mXdX8/4thofjuly.mp4 |
| 05:22:20 | <fireonlive> | happy 4th of july to you americans |
| 05:22:48 | <fireonlive> | idk why but /inline/ didn't work :p |
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| 14:10:28 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: inline works fine for me on the MP4. |
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| 14:45:19 | <qwertyasdfuiopghjkl> | works for me too |
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| 15:36:44 | <fireonlive> | ah ok! must have been a safari thing |
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| 18:53:37 | <jasonswohl> | @A so....... there was an LTT "incident" mentioned. In "my time" of watching about years or so, there have been at least two, and its an absolute miracle that there have not been more....When i started watching, their "archive" was a pile of portable HDDs in an unused bathroom...... lmfao |
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| 19:04:31 | <fireonlive> | i do remember the bathroom pile of HDDs in the langley house lol |
| 19:04:40 | <fireonlive> | literal just internal HDDS |
| 19:04:52 | <fireonlive> | in piles on top of the toilet and such |
| 19:05:02 | <fireonlive> | (water was off they say but yeah) |
| 19:08:40 | <fireonlive> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EMhR6cUN8Y&t=905s |
| 19:08:44 | <fireonlive> | found the link :) |
| 19:10:04 | <fireonlive> | better ts: https://youtu.be/_EMhR6cUN8Y?t=880 |
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| 19:11:28 | <fireonlive> | it's everything you imagined and more :D |
| 19:16:56 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive yeah, such good times. I had already started working helpdesk and stuff right around then, so basically the whole time has just been entertaining cringe. Lots of fun, occasionally genuinely informative. And, of course WAN Show! |
| 19:22:34 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
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| 20:12:22 | <jasonswohl> | soooo im having myself some special derpage going on at the moment trying to get anon SFTP service running on my ubuntu seed box....... Any chance someone could give me an example /etc/vsftpd.conf file for reference? |
| 20:15:29 | <@JAA> | vsftpd doesn't support SFTP, does it? |
| 20:15:41 | <fireonlive> | i just searched it it doesn't seem so |
| 20:15:45 | <@JAA> | I'm pretty sure it's exclusively an FTP server. |
| 20:15:51 | <@JAA> | So FTP and FTPS, but no SFTP. |
| 20:16:50 | <jasonswohl> | using winscp it allowed me to connect via sftp with a username |
| 20:16:52 | <@JAA> | Anonymous SFTP also doesn't sound like a great idea in general to me. |
| 20:17:06 | <jasonswohl> | not something i'd leave open 24/7 :) @jaa |
| 20:17:28 | <fireonlive> | hmm you sure it's not just connecting to your existing ssh server? |
| 20:17:47 | <jasonswohl> | oooo, w/ the username i was using, sounds about right fireonlive |
| 20:17:57 | <jasonswohl> | when i try with the FTP account it give me...... |
| 20:17:59 | <@JAA> | Yeah, SFTP is always SSH. |
| 20:18:31 | <jasonswohl> | access denied |
| 20:19:13 | <jasonswohl> | and, i tried plain ole FTP, but got access denied, even though the firewall is completely off, and set (via webmin) and check UFW status to accept all connections |
| 20:19:14 | <fireonlive> | if you want something easy peasy lemon squeezey there's always rclone serve: https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_serve/ |
| 20:20:28 | <jasonswohl> | so, i could use that to via FTP serve lets say a SMB share anon? |
| 20:23:26 | <fireonlive> | i mean technically rclone seems to support SMB |
| 20:23:34 | <fireonlive> | could just be a local directory as well |
| 20:24:09 | <fireonlive> | but vsftpd if you already have it installed would probably work fine (depending on what you're doing... something over the lan?) |
| 20:24:23 | <jasonswohl> | ok, imma stubornly keep prodding at trying to get vsftpd to work for a bit, then if i give up.... will use that |
| 20:25:07 | <jasonswohl> | i'm using this so when the need arrises friends of mine can u/l or d/l stuff to/from me (download is very rare, as most of the time its just on my plex server anyway) |
| 20:25:57 | <jasonswohl> | and, i'd normally just give them creds to RDP to another box and u/l that way, but RDP uploads are shitty at best as i think we all know |
| 20:26:57 | <jasonswohl> | AND, if it's at all a comfort, the box i'd allow anon access has absolutely no access to my "prod" network, just my minecraft server, and my transmission ubuntu host |
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| 20:35:09 | <fireonlive> | (you should probably set a random password) |
| 20:35:20 | <fireonlive> | (things scan the internet looking for open servers and fill them up/do bad things) |
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| 20:41:35 | <jasonswohl> | its a fairly complex pass that i have set. I gave up on trying to get ftp user to be able to use it, just going to port forward ssh, and set allowed IP (love PFsense :) ) |
| 20:46:52 | <fireonlive> | "With plugins, GPT-4 posts GitHub issue without instructions to" oh my lord |
| 20:47:03 | <fireonlive> | via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36605806 |
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| 20:47:23 | <fireonlive> | the chat URL been deleted (or chat.openai is very slow/down?) but IA saves the day: https://web.archive.org/web/20230705194308/https://chat.openai.com/share/ed8044da-22c5-4c5e-ba82-4353f67d553f |
| 20:48:03 | <fireonlive> | issue it made (just SPN'd it) https://github.com/RVC-Project/Retrieval-based-Voice-Conversion-WebUI/issues/503 and the reddit post: https://old.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/146xl6u/this_is_scary_posting_stuff_by_itself/ |
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| 20:48:18 | <fireonlive> | maybe giving it access to your github account isn't the best idea :D |
| 20:49:13 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, i'm not scared of like say "Judgement Day" happening anytime soon, but it does seem like we've started to at least build pandoras box fireonlive |
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| 20:52:00 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive https://imgur.com/LFWf1WV |
| 20:52:23 | <fireonlive> | :) |
| 20:53:32 | <jasonswohl> | so far the only issue i've had is trying to get NAT to work through VPN (isolated network is forced to use VPN) cant seem to get NAT to work via using the VPN pub ip |
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| 21:23:14 | <FavoritoHJS> | so, i wonder if there is media that would potentially last more than >20 years with little maintenance... |
| 21:23:30 | <@rewby> | Stone tablets |
| 21:23:50 | <FavoritoHJS> | atm all i can think of is some shenanigans with black-and-white film |
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| 21:25:29 | <@rewby> | Even that will go bad eventually unless stored *just so* |
| 21:25:31 | <@rewby> | And even then |
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| 21:27:15 | <FavoritoHJS> | at least it's been confirmed to work (see: you can look at old films) and unlike magnetic tape you can _see_ if it's bad |
| 21:28:13 | <@rewby> | That's still survivorship bias |
| 21:28:21 | <@rewby> | Consider that a lot of tape has gone bad over the years |
| 21:28:36 | <@rewby> | And film too |
| 21:29:21 | <jasonswohl> | rewby FavoritoHJS once apon a time there was such a thing as archival DVDs that were slated to be able to last 100 years |
| 21:29:37 | <@rewby> | Yeah I don't believe that |
| 21:29:43 | <@rewby> | We've seen what happens to cds and dvds |
| 21:30:04 | <jasonswohl> | and, if you were in a real big pince/parranoid, i spose you could print hexadecimal text in an optimal OCR font, and.....do it that way |
| 21:30:10 | <jasonswohl> | @rewby 100% agreed |
| 21:30:30 | <@JAA> | LTO is intended to have a shelf storage lifetime of 30 years IIRC. |
| 21:30:31 | <FavoritoHJS> | iirc what tends to kill cdr's is the dye decaying, so if you avoid that you could get more shelf life |
| 21:30:41 | <jasonswohl> | https://www.mdisc.com/ |
| 21:30:42 | <FavoritoHJS> | but not 100 years except in ideal conditions |
| 21:30:54 | <FavoritoHJS> | the plastic will probably decay in that time |
| 21:30:59 | <@JAA> | Blu-rays probably easily last decades, unless you use one of those weird ones with organic dyes. |
| 21:31:28 | <@JAA> | (M-Disc Blu-rays are a scam.) |
| 21:31:33 | <@arkiver> | organic dye? |
| 21:31:43 | <@arkiver> | didn't hear about that and a bluray, any info on that? |
| 21:31:48 | <fireonlive> | ah i heard about that |
| 21:31:58 | <fireonlive> | the 'not real M-Disc's or something |
| 21:32:12 | <@JAA> | BD-R LTH use organic dyes. |
| 21:32:24 | <jasonswohl> | havent looked into that "tech" in a long long time |
| 21:32:25 | <@JAA> | All other Blu-rays don't. |
| 21:32:53 | <@JAA> | The entire argument about why M-Discs last longer is the replacement of organic dyes with inorganic ones which are more stable. Which makes sense for DVDs and is complete bullshit for Blu-rays. |
| 21:33:05 | <fireonlive> | there's this this channel I poke at every now and then: https://www.youtube.com/@PeriscopeFilm |
| 21:33:49 | <nicolas17> | https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2023/07/05/why-does-the-u-s-copyright-office-require-libraries-to-lie-to-users-about-their-fair-use-rights-they-wont-say/ |
| 21:33:54 | <fireonlive> | all their stuff is licensed.. but there's exceptions anwyays they go around trolling for old film and scan what they can but yeah there's a lot that doens't make it https://periscopefilm.com |
| 21:34:05 | <razul> | How long should Blurays last? |
| 21:34:09 | <@JAA> | BD-R LTH exists only so that manufacturers could reuse some of their DVD equipment. I'm not even sure they're considerably cheaper. |
| 21:34:28 | <@arkiver> | ah interesting |
| 21:35:04 | <@JAA> | razul: There's nothing official I think, but somewhere between decades and a couple centuries are numbers I've seen. |
| 21:35:32 | <@JAA> | Well, some manufacturers have claims of course. |
| 21:35:42 | <@JAA> | The harder issue will be finding a working Blu-ray drive in 2200. |
| 21:35:51 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive i've enjoyed an amount of hours from the periscope channel |
| 21:36:03 | <jasonswohl> | JAA omg.....right?! |
| 21:36:46 | <fireonlive> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhJIIhxng_A 'Last year the Periscope Film team performed an emergency rescue of a gigantic collection of films — right before they headed to a landfill. Today we're sharing the story of this herculean effort, and about what we do in general, the how and the why (in case you were curious!).' |
| 21:36:47 | <@JAA> | In general, data preservation in the form of 'just stick it in a time capsule and never touch it again' doesn't work at scale yet. |
| 21:36:57 | <fireonlive> | lots of stuff just runs off to the landfill it seems lol |
| 21:36:59 | <@arkiver> | not yet no |
| 21:37:08 | <@JAA> | There are technologies for it, but $$$$$$$$$$ or so. |
| 21:37:26 | <@arkiver> | also specs usually stay preserved, but it might be very expensive to manufacture another bluray drive reader if almost all others are gone/dead |
| 21:37:27 | <fireonlive> | interestring that the inorganic ones don't make a difference |
| 21:37:36 | <jasonswohl> | for the preservation is indeed expensive especially for older formats |
| 21:37:42 | <fireonlive> | but yeah, finding a bluray drive and something to use it way later... |
| 21:37:54 | <fireonlive> | s/use/interface with/ |
| 21:37:57 | <jasonswohl> | very interesting indeed, i'd imagine its something along the lines of the wavelength/tolerances needed |
| 21:38:44 | <jasonswohl> | arkiver yeah, exactly. Sure, we knew how they used to be built..... but mfging them again is an entirely other story |
| 21:38:46 | <@JAA> | Arch Mission is one that got some publicity a few years ago when it was shot into space with the first Falcon Heavy. |
| 21:38:52 | <@JAA> | Something something '5D storage' |
| 21:39:46 | <jasonswohl> | JAA prett cool |
| 21:39:56 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: What do you mean by 'inorganic ones don't make a difference'? |
| 21:40:01 | <jasonswohl> | then again we have the records sent out on the voyagers :) |
| 21:40:19 | <fireonlive> | oh you said that swapping out organic dyes on bluray is bs |
| 21:40:47 | <@JAA> | Yeah, because there are no organic dyes on Blu-rays to swap out. |
| 21:40:54 | <@JAA> | Except on those weird discs nobody uses. |
| 21:41:16 | <fireonlive> | ah! |
| 21:41:49 | <@JAA> | DVDs used organic dyes, so replacing them is what made M-Disc DVDs so much more stable. |
| 21:42:00 | <fireonlive> | when bluray came about i had stopped using optical media whatsoever |
| 21:42:18 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive just about the same here |
| 21:42:21 | <@JAA> | Blu-rays don't (except for LTH), so M-Disc Blu-rays might as well just be normal Blu-rays from a decent manufacturer. |
| 21:42:21 | <fireonlive> | osc. dvd for an os install maybe but yeah |
| 21:42:38 | <jasonswohl> | JAA do blu ray disks not use organic dyes? |
| 21:42:57 | <@JAA> | That's what I've been saying for ten minutes, yes. |
| 21:43:13 | <jasonswohl> | JAA my bad :( thought as much |
| 21:43:17 | <@JAA> | BD-R LTH are the only Blu-rays that use organic dyes, so avoid them if you care about longevity. |
| 21:43:38 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive the second i realized i could install from USB.....never burned a dvd again for os install :) |
| 21:43:50 | <@JAA> | But you'd probably have to search for them specifically to even find them these days. |
| 21:43:57 | <@JAA> | I haven't come across any in quite some time. |
| 21:43:58 | <@rewby> | Always have a flashdrive with netboot.xyz on it with me |
| 21:44:04 | <jasonswohl> | JAA fair enough and def good to know |
| 21:45:30 | <jasonswohl> | rewby is that the one that allows selecting specific ISO to boot from on same flash drive? |
| 21:45:37 | <@JAA> | Searching Amazon for "BD-R LTH" returns normal BD-Rs, so yeah... :-) |
| 21:45:53 | <@JAA> | More of an obscure fun fact these days I guess. |
| 21:45:55 | <@rewby> | jasonswohl: No. It's a special flashdrive that can netboot basically any linux or windows installer |
| 21:46:33 | <@rewby> | Personal favs on their list are the debian, ubuntu and arch isos |
| 21:46:40 | <@rewby> | The arch one especially is a great debug tool |
| 21:46:46 | <jasonswohl> | rewby opened in a tab ty for info |
| 21:47:01 | <jasonswohl> | @jaa i'd say we all love those types of facts |
| 21:47:34 | <@JAA> | rewby: Neat, unless you're trying to debug a network issue, I guess. |
| 21:48:29 | <@rewby> | JAA: Network issues can best be debugged from within the main OS of a m achine. But this is very useful if you're handed a box and told "make the drives work" or "fix this bootloader" or "this needs an OS" |
| 21:48:42 | <@rewby> | arch isos in particular are personal favorite debugging tools |
| 21:48:46 | <@rewby> | Drop you straight into a shell |
| 21:48:52 | <@rewby> | Has a ton of useful tools built in |
| 21:48:57 | <@rewby> | Can easily fetch more |
| 21:49:07 | <@JAA> | I remember fighting with a machine where the OS didn't want to boot when the network card was installed. :-) |
| 21:49:08 | <@rewby> | And loads itself into a ramdisk |
| 21:49:13 | <@rewby> | So very nice over slow ipmis |
| 21:49:20 | <razul> | Finally someone who knows about netboot.xyz. It is awesome. |
| 21:49:31 | <@rewby> | JAA: Ah yes, but then you're not debugging a network issue, but a hardware issue |
| 21:49:32 | <razul> | pxe over internet, such an awesome concept. |
| 21:49:52 | <@JAA> | But yeah, definitely looks useful, and it's tiny, so I'll throw it on one of those ancient tiny USB sticks I have lying around anyway. |
| 21:49:56 | <@JAA> | Thanks! |
| 21:50:00 | <jasonswohl> | i tried to have a friend boot from my FOG server over S2S once......... didn't go well lol |
| 21:50:04 | <@rewby> | Yeah, it's like 10MB at most |
| 21:50:06 | <@rewby> | Very small |
| 21:50:11 | <@rewby> | I have it on a 500MB drive |
| 21:50:21 | <@JAA> | https://boot.netboot.xyz/ipxe/netboot.xyz.img is under 2 MiB. |
| 21:50:33 | <@rewby> | All it is is ipxe that chainloads the rest of the UI from their central server |
| 21:50:36 | <jasonswohl> | thats actually super cool |
| 21:51:03 | <razul> | I have never not had it work. |
| 21:51:13 | <@rewby> | I have once, but it was on hardware that was screwy |
| 21:51:24 | <@rewby> | Like, very screwy |
| 21:51:34 | <@rewby> | It couldn't load an OS from any disk eitehr |
| 21:51:37 | <fireonlive> | ah that's nice :) |
| 21:51:46 | <@rewby> | But is very much a tool to just have on hand |
| 21:52:02 | <fireonlive> | there was some other tool that just went PXE as well... ventoy? |
| 21:52:03 | <@rewby> | When deploying new servers at work, netboot.xyz all the way |
| 21:52:18 | <fireonlive> | https://www.iventoy.com/en/index.html |
| 21:52:21 | <@rewby> | (Mind you, I don't spin up physical often, most of it's virtual) |
| 21:52:32 | <fireonlive> | yee mostly virtual these days too |
| 21:52:39 | <@rewby> | (I have... maybe 10 physical servers. Not enough to warrant a custom PXE setup.) |
| 21:52:41 | <fireonlive> | for servers anyways :D |
| 21:52:50 | <razul> | You can also host your own Docker and build it so it boots from that with netboot.xyz |
| 21:53:04 | <razul> | https://netboot.xyz/docs/selfhosting/ |
| 21:53:08 | <@rewby> | The new physical system is very spicy, but I'm not finished setting that up yet |
| 21:53:12 | <fireonlive> | i should check that out |
| 21:53:28 | <@rewby> | But having a tray of ram on your desk and realizing "this is 1.5TB of ram in my hands" is an experience |
| 21:53:33 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 21:54:19 | <razul> | At my previous job, we had a VM with 1.5TB, that's as weird as that. |
| 21:54:41 | <@rewby> | Another good time was the time I did some freelance work doing a rack build and realising the router I was disassembling (I needed inside pics for insurance because reasons) was 25k |
| 21:55:00 | <@rewby> | Like, bruh, we didn't even turn it on before taking it apart |
| 21:55:06 | <@rewby> | (I may have made a Dave Jones reference) |
| 21:55:22 | <jasonswohl> | rewby thats awesome |
| 21:55:26 | <fireonlive> | ayyy Dave Jones! |
| 21:55:34 | <@rewby> | Don't turn it on, take it apart! |
| 21:55:37 | <fireonlive> | :) |
| 21:55:43 | <jasonswohl> | most expensive i ever handled was a fairly fully loaded 12th gen vrtx |
| 21:55:59 | <fireonlive> | https://www.youtube.com/@EEVblog for the rest of ya |
| 21:56:31 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive love that channel! did you see the vids about the deep space network?! |
| 21:56:43 | <fireonlive> | haven't yet :3 |
| 21:56:46 | <fireonlive> | but looks interesting |
| 21:57:23 | <jasonswohl> | extrodinarily so IMO. TIckles all of the points, mechanical, electronic, and space |
| 21:58:25 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
| 21:58:57 | <@rewby> | I want an vrtx eventually |
| 21:59:04 | <@rewby> | I just love the concept of multinode systems |
| 21:59:36 | <jasonswohl> | rewby i'm in the same camp, but, have kinda learned a bit of a hatred of dell b/s |
| 21:59:45 | <@rewby> | What's so bad about dell? |
| 21:59:46 | <fireonlive> | 'UPDATE: SpongeBob’s Sailer Mouth was not in the #NickelodeonGigaLeak Nor on Nick's Servers its most likely on a physical tape and or destroyed' oh no |
| 21:59:49 | <@rewby> | Significantly better than HP |
| 21:59:57 | <@rewby> | Supermicro is really nice. But expensive in EU |
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| 22:00:31 | <jasonswohl> | rewby i've only ever dealt w/ 11th gen in homelab, or 12th gen stuff for work, really cumbersome, can be a pain to do upgrades |
| 22:00:42 | <razul> | You also have IBM Power, but it's expensive as hell as well. |
| 22:00:42 | <@rewby> | jasonswohl: Trust me. HP is significantly worse |
| 22:00:56 | <jasonswohl> | rewby fair enough upgrades for me are a ways off, have to do research |
| 22:00:57 | <jamesp> | fireonlive: is sailer mouth a lost episode? |
| 22:01:04 | <jasonswohl> | rewby good to no |
| 22:01:29 | <@rewby> | jasonswohl: HP locks their updates behind a paywall. Dell will just give you updates and drivers with the service tag |
| 22:01:47 | <@rewby> | And sure, the idracs have licensing stuff. But that's easy to hack around in a homelab setting |
| 22:01:55 | <@rewby> | HP has that too, but harder to break |
| 22:01:56 | <jasonswohl> | rewby yeah, got an HP switch awhile ago.......... same shiz |
| 22:02:09 | <fireonlive> | jamesp: it's one where the characters swear a lot, and they couldn't really make the 'takes' work without actually swearing (they were always going to censor it but it didn't flow well) |
| 22:02:20 | <@rewby> | Supermicro is pretty nice. Their stuff is mostly generic and just works. But also, expensive in EU |
| 22:02:47 | <@rewby> | There's like 5 companies that vend supermicro here |
| 22:02:52 | <@rewby> | And at least one of them I know is shit |
| 22:02:59 | <jamesp> | oh. definitely wouldn't fit for a kid show anyway |
| 22:03:03 | <fireonlive> | jamesp: but the voice of spongebob confirmed that they actually did all do a giant cursing session and the 'uncensored version' has been sought after ever since |
| 22:03:07 | <fireonlive> | indeed |
| 22:03:15 | <@rewby> | Because I took delivery of a supermicro from them and uh... There were loose screws banging around the inside, parts of it weren't installed properly, etc |
| 22:03:36 | <jasonswohl> | thats some BS |
| 22:03:38 | <@rewby> | On a multinode chassis didn't even install the nodes in the right slots |
| 22:03:46 | <fireonlive> | rewby: o_O wow |
| 22:03:48 | <jamesp> | maybe that's why it didn't end up in the leak, because it was probably too much |
| 22:03:52 | <@rewby> | Sure, technically you can put any node in any slot |
| 22:04:00 | <fireonlive> | jamesp: could be ye |
| 22:04:04 | <@rewby> | But if you tell us "these macs are gonna be in these slots" |
| 22:04:19 | <@rewby> | then the provisioning system is gonna be upset when the wiring doesn't match up |
| 22:04:34 | <jamesp> | unless someone finds the tape (unless it snapped) then leaks it on the internet |
| 22:04:36 | <fireonlive> | the leaker (500GB in total) didn't just do a torrent dump; just kinda drip fed stuff slowly from what I can make out |
| 22:04:38 | <FavoritoHJS> | leaker: you cannot handle the spongebob swearing episode |
| 22:05:38 | <fireonlive> | it was posted on the Internet Archive after as a complete kinda collection but ofc it was DMCA'd right away |
| 22:05:58 | <jasonswohl> | of course it was |
| 22:06:01 | <fireonlive> | root cause seems to be.... opendirectory on a nick server lol |
| 22:06:09 | <fireonlive> | but not sure |
| 22:06:53 | <@rewby> | It's gonna be fun next week actually. New interns will get to discover the small lab I've built on a table. The numbers on those servers tend to blow people's minds |
| 22:07:24 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
| 22:07:31 | <fireonlive> | sounds like a fun workplace |
| 22:07:39 | <@rewby> | Well, they start next week |
| 22:07:44 | <@rewby> | and our office isn't that big |
| 22:07:52 | <@rewby> | So you can't really escape my corner of server |
| 22:08:02 | <@rewby> | I'm still going to build a box fort |
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| 22:08:18 | <@rewby> | I have a literal pile of boxes that all of it came in |
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| 22:08:31 | <nicolas17> | do you have a cat too? |
| 22:08:34 | <@rewby> | No |
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| 22:08:37 | <@rewby> | we're not hurricane electric |
| 22:08:58 | <nicolas17> | waste of perfectly good boxes :( |
| 22:09:08 | <@rewby> | I'm gonna make a fort out of them |
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| 22:09:30 | <@rewby> | Need to get the servers all provisioned first |
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| 22:09:40 | <nicolas17> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321387496707719170/1124578348073492480/Screenshot_20230701_005042_Twitter.jpg |
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| 22:09:45 | <fireonlive> | oof. cramp city |
| 22:09:45 | <fireonlive> | better book your poop time |
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| 22:10:01 | <@rewby> | But yeah, 50gbps of network per server tends to blow the minds of people who have only ever seen 1g as "high speed" |
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| 22:11:01 | <fireonlive> | oof |
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| 22:12:09 | <@rewby> | Or the concept of having 120TB of raw storage |
| 22:12:13 | <@rewby> | Of just spinners |
| 22:12:21 | <@rewby> | And then the 6+TB nvme drives |
| 22:12:45 | <nicolas17> | *_* |
| 22:13:20 | <@rewby> | (I'm building a 3 node ceph+openstack cluster) |
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| 22:13:25 | <@rewby> | (It'll be nice and spicy) |
| 22:13:53 | <@rewby> | The ceph part also explains the 25G btw |
| 22:14:00 | <@rewby> | They say to use 10G at least |
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| 22:14:11 | <@rewby> | And the servers would ship with 10/25G nics at that point anyway |
| 22:14:18 | <@rewby> | and a 25G switch is not much more extra |
| 22:15:04 | <@rewby> | And to run another, slower, network for "internet" seemed pointless |
| 22:15:24 | <@rewby> | When I had at least one extra 25G nic per server and plenty of ports on the switch |
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| 22:18:26 | <jasonswohl> | rewby that's............awesome I could only wish to get to play with such things :) I only about 6mo ago upgraded to 10gb for my server, and backup server |
| 22:18:37 | <@rewby> | I mean, that's my work kit |
| 22:18:42 | <@rewby> | At home I still run 1G everything |
| 22:18:49 | <@rewby> | Although my colo has 10G |
| 22:19:26 | <@rewby> | But like, even my desktop is an old server |
| 22:19:34 | <@rewby> | I rock a T430 as a desktop :P |
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| 22:20:09 | <@rewby> | (A Dell T430 that is) |
| 22:20:10 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, i'd imagine EU prices, kind of suck. You have your own rackspace in a colo? thats pretty sick. I'm just too cheap. Although with elec prices and running an R510 another whitebox thats about the same age and a total of 14 platter drives, elec costs are getting there |
| 22:20:33 | <@rewby> | An R510 is significantly older |
| 22:20:38 | <@rewby> | And much more power inefficient |
| 22:20:42 | <razul> | rewby, where are you from in EU? |
| 22:20:46 | <@rewby> | NL |
| 22:20:48 | <jasonswohl> | lol :) rewby o yeah, quite a bit older |
| 22:20:49 | <fireonlive> | colo ^_^ |
| 22:20:59 | <@rewby> | My colo's a cheap 80/mo for all in |
| 22:21:05 | <@rewby> | That is network, power, etc |
| 22:21:16 | <fireonlive> | oh not bad |
| 22:21:29 | <@rewby> | And I have a second colo in a friend's rack where I pay very very little. |
| 22:21:33 | <fireonlive> | what do you have running there? |
| 22:21:34 | <jasonswohl> | rewby how much stuff do you have deployed? |
| 22:21:37 | <jasonswohl> | lol |
| 22:21:49 | <@rewby> | jasonswohl: Too much lolo |
| 22:22:13 | <razul> | Which colo? I've been with a colo as well in the past in NL, but can't get the name |
| 22:22:22 | <jasonswohl> | lolz, do you use an entire rack? |
| 22:22:30 | <@rewby> | fireonlive: At the moment it's an old HP DL160G6, I'm working on a box to replace it and also consolidate my homelab into it (currently my power pricing is rent included, not for much longer) |
| 22:22:41 | <@rewby> | The new box is very very nice |
| 22:22:48 | <jasonswohl> | wondering what HW you got runnin, cause just elec for the right loads.....might be worth it for me as it stands almost lol |
| 22:22:52 | <fireonlive> | ooh |
| 22:23:10 | <@rewby> | 2x E5-2680v4, 384G ram, 4x3T spinner + 2T nvme, 2x10G network |
| 22:23:29 | <jasonswohl> | nothing to sneeze at for sure! |
| 22:23:48 | <@rewby> | razul: I've got a U at Serverius |
| 22:24:12 | <@rewby> | But yeah, the new box is gonna be very very nice |
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| 22:24:23 | <@rewby> | I'm still trying to sort out some of the parts and software setup |
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| 22:24:54 | <@rewby> | I'm very much considering adding a https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_2xs_pcie to it |
| 22:25:05 | <@rewby> | It'd significantly simplify my software setup |
| 22:25:53 | <jasonswohl> | that looks pretty awesome, and only 1u?! |
| 22:25:58 | <@rewby> | 2U |
| 22:26:01 | <@rewby> | The old one is 1U |
| 22:26:18 | <@rewby> | The extra U makes it so much easier to fit stuff |
| 22:26:35 | <jasonswohl> | i can imagine |
| 22:26:57 | <jasonswohl> | if my desk wasn't such a mess RN...... |
| 22:27:10 | <@rewby> | Meanwhile my desktop is a 4U server, because lols |
| 22:27:12 | <@rewby> | Also cheap |
| 22:27:20 | <jasonswohl> | "cheap" :) |
| 22:27:44 | <jasonswohl> | i've been thinking about what i upgrade to from my R510 for ~2 years now but $ has been a bit tight |
| 22:27:50 | <@rewby> | 12 cores, 64G ram, 1T nvme, 8T hdd and a RTX3060TI, for under 500 euro |
| 22:27:52 | <@rewby> | That's fairly cheap |
| 22:28:15 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, agreed entirely |
| 22:28:23 | <fireonlive> | 4U desktop, nice |
| 22:28:39 | <@rewby> | Like, sure, it's an E5-2673v3 isn't the most modern cpu ever |
| 22:28:51 | <@rewby> | But it works amazingly well |
| 22:29:02 | <@rewby> | And it's still very respectable |
| 22:29:08 | <jasonswohl> | i'm rocking a phenom x2 8 core 16gm ram and a GTX970 in my desktop for now |
| 22:29:29 | <@rewby> | I used to live off of an laptop with an i7-6700HQ and a Quadro M1000M |
| 22:29:32 | <@rewby> | And 16G ram |
| 22:29:34 | <@rewby> | Yeahhhhh no |
| 22:29:38 | <@rewby> | Could not keep up anymore |
| 22:29:45 | <@rewby> | And when the cooling started to fail I had to get something else |
| 22:29:52 | <@rewby> | But I'd run it into swap regularly |
| 22:30:12 | <jasonswohl> | ah, that suks. And wow, a daily linux driver i take it? |
| 22:30:13 | <@rewby> | Even right now, my desktop is sat at 12G used. Doing very little |
| 22:30:16 | <@rewby> | Yep |
| 22:30:32 | <@rewby> | I spend my days doing sysadmin |
| 22:30:34 | <@rewby> | Easier on linux |
| 22:30:36 | <jasonswohl> | i've had 1/2 the desire to go about switching but...... lots of work |
| 22:30:46 | <fireonlive> | i have 16GB used, and 22GB swap used at the moment |
| 22:30:49 | <fireonlive> | my laptop is crying in pain |
| 22:30:51 | <@rewby> | I've been on linux for like 8 years, if not more |
| 22:31:02 | <@rewby> | Yeah so, this is why having 64G is nice |
| 22:31:05 | <fireonlive> | the browser tabs can't hold on much longer |
| 22:31:08 | <@rewby> | I can just not give a fuck |
| 22:31:12 | <fireonlive> | yeah next laptop i'm maxing out the ram lmao |
| 22:31:14 | <jasonswohl> | i've done a bit of sysadmin, did a lil while as a unix admin but, mostly almost entirely its all been windows admin |
| 22:31:31 | <@rewby> | Ah yeah, I work in a linux and bsd shop |
| 22:31:32 | <jasonswohl> | lol fireonlive |
| 22:31:47 | <@rewby> | And my own stuff is all linux |
| 22:31:57 | <fireonlive> | i love my macos stuff uwu |
| 22:32:02 | <fireonlive> | but servers all linux |
| 22:32:09 | <jasonswohl> | i do run a couple ubuntu VMs (plex/transmission) |
| 22:33:16 | <jasonswohl> | this 2012R2 server i'm chatting from is sitting @9gb ram used, with nothing really going on at all other then a decent amount of chrome tabs, and utorrent |
| 22:34:03 | <fireonlive> | transmission only for getting the latest version of ubuntu the fastest you can, and helping others get ubuntu faster right? |
| 22:34:25 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive o yeah, of course, just linux isos :) |
| 22:35:28 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: The nice thing about running Linux rather than macOS is that you don't pay 150% Apple tax. ;-) |
| 22:35:54 | <@JAA> | I imagine a Macbook with maximum RAM is $$$$$. |
| 22:36:18 | <fireonlive> | yeaaaaah yikes |
| 22:36:22 | <fireonlive> | the ram upgrades are X_X |
| 22:36:22 | <jasonswohl> | @jaa 150% for apple ram tax is i think an understatement |
| 22:36:27 | <jasonswohl> | https://imgur.com/VKOgR7x |
| 22:36:35 | <jasonswohl> | getting fiber has helped w/ upload for sure :) |
| 22:36:42 | <@JAA> | I was thinking whole system, but yeah, the RAM pricing is funny. |
| 22:37:41 | <jasonswohl> | @jaa i actually saw an LTT vid awhile ago, when they were still intel, if you compared like spec to like spec, wasn't too much more for apple, but then start to do the upgrades and BAM! huge taxes |
| 22:38:02 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 22:38:14 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/WSiOT/1688596642.png |
| 22:38:25 | <fireonlive> | ^ upgrade prices on the new M2 air |
| 22:38:25 | <@JAA> | lol |
| 22:39:00 | <jasonswohl> | thats a bit nuts lol |
| 22:39:27 | <jasonswohl> | imo ram is slightly more justifiable nowadays as its on package isnt it? |
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| 22:40:29 | <fireonlive> | ye it's all in the chip |
| 22:40:33 | <@JAA> | All I need to upgrade my RAM is a screwdriver. |
| 22:40:36 | <fireonlive> | er the SOC |
| 22:40:48 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive right o |
| 22:40:54 | <fireonlive> | all i need to upgrade my mood is a screwdriver :D |
| 22:41:04 | <jasonswohl> | @jaa :) the way it should be of course |
| 22:41:17 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive lol! |
| 22:41:46 | <@JAA> | Although my laptop is actually slightly weird, it has 4 GB soldered to the board and another 8 GB removable module. |
| 22:42:04 | <jasonswohl> | JAA thats kind of fuckin weird. What is it?! |
| 22:42:23 | <@JAA> | ThinkPad T450s |
| 22:42:39 | <jasonswohl> | o man! :( |
| 22:42:44 | <@JAA> | It also has a built-in battery and a removable battery. |
| 22:42:45 | <@JAA> | Fun stuff. |
| 22:43:07 | <jasonswohl> | i have the non S lol! |
| 22:43:25 | <jasonswohl> | no longer my primary laptop though |
| 22:44:02 | <DigitalDragon> | Laptop: I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top |
| 22:44:26 | <@JAA> | Heh |
| 22:45:01 | <@JAA> | Ah right, the T450 is the slightly cheaper version. |
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| 22:46:13 | <@JAA> | It's still my main driver. One key broke recently, otherwise everything's perfect. |
| 22:48:34 | <Barto> | i still rock a good old t430 lol |
| 22:50:15 | <@rewby> | I'm rocking a different kind of T430 |
| 22:52:14 | <@JAA> | Huh, turns out I actually can't upgrade my memory because no suitable modules exist on the market. |
| 22:53:09 | <@JAA> | Or at least hard to find. |
| 22:54:20 | <@JAA> | Not that I need one, I'm fine with these 12 GB for something that's mostly just used to SSH into servers. |
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| 22:55:00 | <Barto> | rewby: Nice |
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| 22:58:43 | <@JAA> | Ok yeah, they do exist, but few and far between. It'd have to be DDR3L SODIMM single-stick 16 GB... |
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| 23:08:39 | <fireonlive> | JAA: hopefully not the space key :D |
| 23:09:14 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: No, one of the few redundant keys on the keyboard (shift), but still very annoying. |
| 23:09:48 | <@JAA> | Already replaced it though. :-) |
| 23:34:19 | <fireonlive> | ah :) |
| 23:35:38 | <fireonlive> | i still find myself opening apollo every so often :o |
| 23:35:44 | <fireonlive> | hard habit to break i guess |
| 23:35:55 | <jasonswohl> | fireonlive lolz, understandable |
| 23:37:15 | <fireonlive> | apparently i’ve had it for 5 years, so yeah 😅 |
| 23:37:42 | <jasonswohl> | yeah, that'll do it |
| 23:38:20 | <fireonlive> | buckle up, threads is now live in the US |
| 23:38:41 | <fireonlive> | oh, i can download it too i guess? interesting |
| 23:39:17 | <fireonlive> | https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/05/threads-metas-twitter-competitor-is-now-live/ |
| 23:39:59 | <fireonlive> | though i do like you can supposedly follow anyone on threads from mastodon etc |
| 23:40:43 | <fireonlive> | the app privacy page/what they collect page is very very long |
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| 23:56:25 | <fireonlive> | here's the full list because lol: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/2jhpY/threads-app-privacy-list.png |
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