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00:39:39<nulldata>RedHat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE
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02:23:32<pabs>some responses to the RH post: https://lwn.net/Articles/936405/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36484385
02:23:32<pabs> https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/im-done-red-hat-enterprise-linux https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36479882
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03:09:11<systwi>Does anyone know of a way to omit a specific file in a specific path from the results printed by `find`?
03:09:51<systwi>I'm trying to print all files in a directory, and one file in a sub-sub-subdirectory needs to be omitted. Just that one singular file.
03:12:18<systwi_>`find /absolute -not -iname '/absolute/path/to/bad/file.txt'` doesn't seem to work.
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03:18:53<byteofwood>maybe pipe it into awk? https://stackoverflow.com/a/30948232
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03:20:07<byteofwood>e.g. find ... | awk '!/\/absolute\/path\/to\/bad\/file\.txt/'
03:20:14<byteofwood>idk if i got that escaping right
03:22:22<byteofwood>wait are your `find` outputs not absolute paths?
03:23:52<pabs>systwi_: sounds like you want -iwholename
03:24:18<pabs>or grep -v :)
03:24:19<@JAA>systwi_: -iname matches only the filename portion and case-insensitively. I'd use -path.
03:24:43<@JAA>Note that all of these match a pattern, not a string.
03:26:30<systwi>Thanks for the help, everyone. So, in reality, I don't see any paths. I use `-exec myCommand {} \;` in that same command, and pabs's `-iwholename` worked magnificently. :-)
03:27:41<systwi>I also realised that I should be using `-wholename`, but I suppose it doesn't exactly matter since my FS is case insensitive (both "file" and "FILE" cannot exist).
03:27:48<systwi>and the filename is all numbers. :-P
03:27:51<pabs>apparently -wholename/-iwholename is less portable than -ipath/-path, so best use the latter
03:28:03pabs didn't know about -path before
03:28:44<systwi>Ah, interesting. I had tried -path before but it didn't work. I'll switch to that again and see if maybe I made a mistake before.
03:28:55<systwi>*I don't see any paths but they are absolute
03:29:44<@JAA>I think -wholename is a GNUism but not sure.
03:31:01<systwi>It works on my BSD version of `find`. :-)
03:31:34<systwi>The only version information I can seem to get it to return is "September 28, 2011" in the manpages, assuming it's referencing the same binary.
03:32:30<@JAA>Interesting, the GNU man page lists GNU features and also has a 'Also occurs in' column there with no mention of BSD for -{,i}wholename.
03:32:45<systwi>`-path` worked perfectly. I realised I wasn't specifying the absolute path when I had tried it last time, only the relative one.
03:33:00<@JAA>Ah, yup
03:33:44<systwi>Huh, interesting. `find --version` and `find -V` just return the syntax -- no version.
03:33:58<systwi>Which leads me to believe it's the BSD version.
03:34:34<systwi>(this is also on OS X which includes BSD utilities by default, and `find` was included by default)
03:34:51<@JAA>What about `find -version`?
03:35:02<@JAA>find is weird and has single-dash long options.
03:35:32<@JAA>Although the GNU version accepts --version as well.
03:35:35<systwi>Good thinking, but no dice. Just says `illegal option -- v`. :-P
03:35:42<@JAA>lol
03:41:02<systwi>Okay, I went above and beyond. :-)
03:41:13<systwi>I dropped the binary into a hex editor and found this string, among others:
03:41:14<systwi>$FreeBSD: src/usr.bin/find/main.c,v 1.23 2011/12/10 18:11:06 ed Exp $
03:41:34<fireonlive>Info: inode 21163303 (3/1579): Unicode name "arn" in directory could be confused with "am".
03:41:46<fireonlive>thanks xfs_scrub that's a .... useful?? message
03:41:53<fireonlive>o_O
03:43:32<@JAA>Keming is hard.
03:43:58<systwi>Not something I would expect a tool like `xfs_scrub` to report. Doesn't sound like that follows the Unix philosophy.
03:45:05<fireonlive>seems to only do it in verbose mode
03:45:12<fireonlive>(where it also lays out the phases)
03:45:21<fireonlive>but yeah indeed not very unixy
03:46:12<byteofwood>i could see that being useful to alias to `ls` but it doesnt seem like it is a standalone thing
03:46:23<fireonlive>Unicode name "Al" in directory could be confused with "AI".
03:46:35<fireonlive>Unicode name "HI" in directory could be confused with "Hl". etc etc
03:46:36<fireonlive>lol
03:47:36<fireonlive>oh and Unicode name "psl.vim" in directory could be confused with "ps1.vim" < might be powershell :D
03:50:02<fireonlive>macos has some odd thing about not updating some of the coreutils because of a license change I think?
03:50:33<fireonlive>i hear that's also why they swapped to zsh as default
03:51:06<fireonlive>wow Quora is even more hot garbage than before
03:51:14<@JAA>Yup, they're still shipping Bash 3.
03:51:20<fireonlive>need Quora+ subscription to even expand past the first answer
03:52:08<byteofwood>I wonder if spoofing the user agent to googlebot might let you see everything
03:52:10<thuban>https://quetre.iket.me/about
03:52:50<@JAA>It's due to GPLv3. Apple doesn't like the pattern grant IIRC.
03:52:53<thuban>(not a bypass, but...)
03:52:54<fireonlive>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/UfQ9w/quorasucksevenmorehardnotpornipromise.png
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03:53:50<fireonlive>thuban: interesting!
03:53:52<fireonlive>thanks
03:54:38<@JAA>I love that its FAQ section works correctly with JS disabled. :-)
03:55:28<@JAA>And also in general they seem to care about non-JS users.
03:56:13<fireonlive>seems like a no for googlebot bypass
03:56:23<fireonlive>(i tried Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html) Chrome/114.0.0.0 Safari/537.36)
03:56:40<byteofwood>ah
03:56:50<byteofwood>what about cookies maybe just clear them?
03:57:20<@JAA>Reddit claims you can throw them into Google Translate: https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/ywml2b/found_a_way_to_bypass_quora_plus_paywalls_its/
03:57:28<fireonlive>hmm nope
03:57:57<fireonlive>https://www-quora-com.translate.goog/Why-does-Mac-OS-X-have-outdated-versions-of-Shell-and-Coreutils?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
03:58:00<fireonlive>seems they fixed that
03:58:05<fireonlive>darn thing lol
03:58:40<byteofwood>I just noticed quora was excluded from archive.org. didnt know that
03:58:45<fireonlive>oh wow lol
03:59:16<fireonlive>they have a _whole_ explanation about it in /robots.txt
03:59:30<fireonlive>https://www.quora.com/robots.txt - https://bpa.st/W5MKO
03:59:40<fireonlive>bpa.st has the relevant section
03:59:42<fireonlive>it's... a read
04:00:16<fireonlive>at least they put up some sort of something
04:00:48<@JAA>Hmmm... https://github.com/NitinN77/quora-plus-bypass
04:01:07<thuban>JAA: there's an open-source anti-ddos program that, if a user loads a protected page with javascript disabled, presents a form with instructions and a shell command for providing the equivalent proof-of-work. :)
04:01:31<@JAA>thuban: Oh, nice, I'd love to see that!
04:02:23<thuban>haproxy-protection https://gitgud.io/fatchan/haproxy-protection (but their gitlab host is down right now)
04:02:59<systwi>Correct, JAA. I've heard the same thing, re: Apple and GPLv3.
04:03:23<@JAA>Ah, they use argon2, clever.
04:04:12<fireonlive>oh searching gplv3 and apple brought this up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20102640
04:04:32<fireonlive>ooh interesting repo jaa will have to try
04:05:13<@JAA>argon2id to be precise, which makes sense.
04:05:35<fireonlive>software heritage hs it: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/browse/origin/directory/?origin_url=https://gitgud.io/fatchan/haproxy-protection.git
04:05:42<fireonlive>oh i guess you found that jaa
04:06:14<@JAA>fireonlive: Looks like archive.$tldoftheday gets past the Quora paywall, by the way: https://archive.is/2oFnP
04:06:35<fireonlive>ooh thanks :D
04:06:45<fireonlive>sooo many tlds lol
04:06:59<fireonlive>i guess they do some extra playwright stuff for everything?
04:07:31<@JAA>They definitely use something browser-based. Accounts are involved on some sites, and there's a lot of trickery.
04:07:33<fireonlive>apparently download zip has been broken for many years 'due to structures changing' ... curious about that
04:07:48<fireonlive>ye i saw reddit uses some 'nathan' user which occasionally gets messages
04:08:07<@JAA>TIL, I just saw that the ZIPs were 404s for quite some time but never looked into why.
04:09:05<@JAA>Fortunately, the snapshot pages are essentially script-free, so you can just Ctrl+S it. Or SingleFileZ.
04:09:30<fireonlive>https://blog.archive.today/post/623883809154383872/the-download-zip-button-has-been-giving-a-not
04:09:35<fireonlive>since 2019 apparently
04:09:41<fireonlive>well, end of 2019
04:09:59<fireonlive>they seem to use tumblr's 'ask me' for everything
04:10:18<fireonlive>ah :) yeah that works
04:10:39<@JAA>'in few weeks'
04:10:56<@JAA>Yup, I have a few of those things on my todo list as well.
04:12:07<fireonlive>haha yeah...
04:12:17<fireonlive>where does the time go šŸŽµ
04:46:18<nicolas17>JAA: there's more than the patent grant
04:47:02<nicolas17>the GPLv3 anti-tivoization clause doesn't really trigger for apps on the app store, because it's mainly for pre-installed software like the OS
04:47:33<nicolas17>(with some tricky wording to avoid loopholes of "well it's not *really* preinstalled, it's installed on first boot!" that hardware manufacturers could try to pull)
04:47:51<nicolas17>stuff included with macOS or iOS are very much covered by that clause
04:48:30<nicolas17>and especially for iOS that would be a problem, Apple would need to let customers modify those GPLv3 components and get them installed on an iPhone
05:05:51<fireonlive>oh interesting; i didn't know a requirement to install was part of it
05:15:14<nicolas17>the TiVo digital video recorder used the Linux kernel
05:15:45<nicolas17>and they fully complied with the GPLv2, they published the exact source code they used, and you could compile it, modify it, distribute the result, etc
05:16:19<nicolas17>however the TiVo hardware checked for a digital signature to ensure only an OS signed by TiVo Inc would boot, so you couldn't actually load a modified Linux kernel into it
05:19:40<nicolas17>in the GPLv3, cases like this require the distributor to provide all necessary Installation Information
05:19:50<nicolas17>> ā€œInstallation Informationā€ for a User Product means any methods, procedures, authorization keys, or other information required to install and execute modified versions of a covered work in that User Product from a modified version of its Corresponding Source.
05:20:25<fireonlive>ahhhh
05:20:45<fireonlive>yeah no bueno with iOS and even macOS in some cases (SIP?)
05:21:48<nicolas17>JAA said Apple *also* didn't like the patent-related provisions of the GPLv3, so that may be enough to rule it out from Mac as well
05:22:01<fireonlive>ah true
05:22:38<fireonlive>the only winning move for them was not to play i guess lol
05:23:46<nicolas17>it's still a bit unclear if GPLv3 apps can go in something like the apple app store... and I refuse >10 year old citations as an answer since the app store terms have changed many times in that period
05:24:37<fireonlive>yeah 10 years is a bit long
05:24:51<fireonlive>would the developers' private keys be included.. eh... hmmmm
05:24:55<fireonlive>v_v
05:25:31<fireonlive>they'd be revoked and blocklisted in about 3.5 seconds too so
05:25:32<fireonlive>lol
05:26:18<nicolas17>and I say that because there's a FSF blog post about it from 2010 which everyone links because it's the only thing they find on google
05:26:58<fireonlive>can we all agree google is so trash ~lately lol
05:27:20<fireonlive>but not like anything better has come along ig
05:27:23<nicolas17>yes
05:27:31<nicolas17>but also I think there *isn't* a more modern analysis of the issue
05:27:34<fireonlive>though i haven't really fiddled with search.brave.com
05:27:43<fireonlive>hmm yeah probably not
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07:06:16<systwi_>fireonlive: Hehe, I think that was me who sent that Tumblr message. I recall that feature not working and feeling bummed out about it.
07:06:34<systwi_>I think about it regularly when using archive.today.
07:06:44<fireonlive>:D
07:06:47<systwi_>It sounds like my writing, citing "quite some time."
07:06:54<fireonlive>yeah i eye it up every now and then
07:07:06<fireonlive>wondering if it'll just disappear one day
07:07:10<systwi_>Using a capital T in "the," quotes around the different names, ending in a period. :-)
07:07:23<systwi_>Yeah, me too.
07:07:26<fireonlive>ooh
07:07:29<systwi_>I still click it often in hopes it works.
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07:07:54<fireonlive>reading a letter from yourself 4 years later
07:08:11<systwi_>Pretty sure that's me. It sounds just like it. :-)
07:08:17<fireonlive>:)
07:08:34<systwi_>But at the same time, disappointing that it's still broken.
07:08:38<fireonlive>yeah :(
07:08:41<systwi_>For the time being I've used SingleFile on Firefox.
07:08:59<systwi_>Or create a WARC of the page with `grab-site`.
07:09:09<fireonlive>i wonder what the architecture looks like behind that site
07:09:30<fireonlive>seems like one person's hobby project i suppose, but still
07:09:31<systwi_>Good question. I believe it's some form of headless Chrome.
07:10:08<systwi_>What makes me curious is, how can the owner change assets on the pages without needing to redownload the page?
07:10:16<systwi_>s/redownload/recapture/
07:10:44<systwi_>For example, I've asked them to expand comment fields on web sites, which requires the comments to load in after the fact...and they load. o_O
07:10:57<systwi_>Even when the page is long-since dead.
07:11:01<systwi_>Black magick, I say.
07:11:06<systwi_>:-P
07:11:17<fireonlive>:O
07:11:24<fireonlive>neat!
07:11:47<systwi_>Indeed. :-D
07:11:55<fireonlive>data was already there I guess... just reprocessed it .. somehow lol
07:11:58<fireonlive>cool though :)
07:12:27<systwi_>I suppose, yeah, hehe. I'd really love to know how it's done.
07:12:37<fireonlive>same :)
07:12:48<systwi_>:-)
07:13:55<fireonlive>https://archive.ph/X6h6M
07:14:02<fireonlive>looks like it's Chromium at the least
07:14:08<systwi_>Thanks for linking to that, by the way, fireonlive. I never ended up seeing their response, and now I have. :-)
07:14:19<systwi_>I figured it was caught in a spam filter and tossed out.
07:14:21<fireonlive>ah! glad i could show you it
07:14:24<systwi_>Checking your link.
07:14:28<systwi_>:-)
07:14:30<fireonlive>=]
07:14:59<fireonlive>plugins on Google Chrome(ā„¢) for Mac show "Plugins PDF Viewer, Chrome PDF Viewer, Chromium PDF Viewer, Microsoft Edge PDF Viewer, WebKit built-in PDF" for me for that page
07:15:24<systwi_>Ah, okay, so I was close: Chromium instead of Chrome.
07:15:42<fireonlive>ye, they're quite close in nature
07:16:10<systwi_>Firefox on Win10 shows "PDF Viewer, Chrome PDF Viewer, Chromium PDF Viewer, Microsoft Edge PDF Viewer, WebKit built-in PDF."
07:16:12<fireonlive>user-agent is kinda weird; probably fixed
07:16:20<systwi_>Agreed, yeah.
07:16:21<fireonlive>ah interesting
07:16:41<systwi_>Err, LibreWolf technically. :-)
07:17:02<systwi_>I haven't use anything Chromium-based since about 2020 with Brave.
07:17:31<systwi_>Interesting indeed, that it reports I have those viewers installed...I don't. :-S
07:17:39<systwi_>Not to my knowledge.
07:17:44<fireonlive>could just be pretending to have them
07:17:57<systwi_>Anything Edge-related was ripped out years ago on here. :-P
07:17:57<fireonlive>kinda how ~every web browser proclaims to be "Mozilla/5.0"
07:18:11<systwi_>Oh, yeah, that could be it.
07:18:45<systwi_>LibreWolf also tries to blend in with the crowd, and maybe the majority of browsers have those installed, and therefore reports to web sites as having them.
07:19:01<systwi_>*blend in with the crowd by using a number of anti-fingerprinting methods
07:28:27<fireonlive>ahh
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12:38:24<VickoSaviour>is the blog.harvard.edu saved?
12:50:05<pabs>VickoSaviour: probably ask on #archiveteam-bs
12:50:22<VickoSaviour>oh, ok.
12:50:55<pabs>JAA: oh, opensource.com seems to be continuing not shutting down https://opensource.com/article/23/6/new-developments-opensourcecom
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15:57:24<@JAA>pabs: Oh great. I never got around to those downloads because I was having issues with some of the WARCs.
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17:02:05<@JAA>metaDedi's TLS cert expired a week ago. ._.
17:06:25<fireonlive>oop
17:06:53<@JAA>And they have HSTS, so you can't add an exception either without trickery.
17:07:07<fireonlive>you're not on chromium by chance are you
17:07:11<fireonlive>or a deriv
17:07:29<fireonlive>i believe firefox
17:08:44<@JAA>Firefox
17:08:49<fireonlive>in chrom(e|ium) *one* can type (at your own peril/if you know what you're doing blah blah blah) 'thisisunsafe' anywhere on the page to continue anyways for any interstitials
17:08:57<fireonlive>ah
17:09:00<fireonlive>right right
17:09:26<fireonlive>i don't think firefox has a similar incantation sadly
17:09:32<@JAA>IIRC, there's an extension that lets you bypass it.
17:10:11<@JAA>And you can also do some stuff in about:config and about:support.
17:11:28<fireonlive>looks like the bug never went anywhere https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404918
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17:12:37<fireonlive>and ah ye there's probably something to fiddle with there
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17:13:45<fireonlive>for those not in #tiki-kacka: I present to you, a server someone made that was powered by actual potatoes as an homage to all the potato servers we find in the wild: https://web.archive.org/web/20150331035733/http://d116.com/spud/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/20150331035733/http://d116.com:82/
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17:56:01<@JAA>Oh neat, the Seagate Exos X20 20 TB drives are among the cheapest per TB here currently.
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19:00:01<fireonlive>ooh
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19:00:38<fireonlive>i'm waiting for a a couple drives to come in to replace a couple drives showing read errors now :~(
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19:01:48<fireonlive>$300 1PB drives when? :3
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20:17:32<fireonlive>systwi_: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36491704
20:18:01<fireonlive>"macOS command-line tools you might not know about" for the other mac users/mac-curious
20:18:02<fireonlive>:p
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21:03:39<@JAA>fireonlive: Any day now, holographic storage is just around the corner!
21:04:02<fireonlive>:D
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22:12:29<nicolas17>fireonlive systwi_: a mac command for the list: networkQuality
22:12:45<nicolas17>oh it's in there x_x
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22:50:26<@hook54321>gah. need to decide if i should replace the screen on my laptop (~$60) or just get a new laptop
22:56:24<myself>Could do both. Replace the screen then sell it for a bit more than the screen cost, know that you've averted that amount of e-waste for the time being, and get a shiny new machine that pleases you.
22:56:52<jasonswohl>hook54321 i like myself's idea :)
22:56:56<jasonswohl>what kind of laptop?
22:57:19<@hook54321>lenovo ideapad
22:57:30<@hook54321>i sat on the screen on accident
22:58:05<jasonswohl>ooooo thats a bit rough. Yeah, i'd totally replace screen, if you still like it, just keep it, or fix/sell :)
22:59:51<@JAA>Oof
23:00:19<@hook54321>i really hate repairing laptops, thinking about just getting a new one and using this one for hosting something, idk
23:01:58<@JAA>I should really open my laptop and clean its ducts and fans, but yeah, same, hate it.
23:02:41<@hook54321>maybe i should just get a desktop and use a chromebook for when i actually need a portable device other than my phone
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23:30:31<thuban>JAA: last time i cleaned my laptop it dropped the idle cpu temp ~40Ā°C
23:31:28<nicolas17>WOW
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23:33:46<thuban>:<
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23:58:37<@JAA>thuban: You must have tortured that poor machine for years!
23:59:00<@JAA>- Sent from my masochistic laptop
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