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00:25:47<fireonlive>:) i'd be happy with 500/500 or 1000/1000 ig
00:25:51<fireonlive>it's more about the bursty loads
00:25:54<fireonlive>...
00:26:01<fireonlive>you know what i mean
00:26:11<@JAA>fireonlive: Init7 is a nice provider. 10G and 25G, free router choice, active in the net neutrality politics, etc.
00:26:20<fireonlive>ooh very nice
00:26:34<@JAA>Both plans at the same price, by the way, just higher setup cost for 25G due to the optics.
00:26:50<fireonlive>it's like teksavvy in canada... sorta kinda. they're just a quasi-reseller (given access to last mile) though
00:27:00<fireonlive>ah, that makes sense
00:27:00<@JAA>There's also a 1G offer, which is quite a bit cheaper nowadays, used to be the same price as well.
00:27:32<fireonlive>mine's a few hundred/month
00:27:50<@JAA>I'm not currently using them due to life circumstances. But will again as soon as possible. They're awesome.
00:28:23<fireonlive>:) hope things get better
00:28:25<@JAA>10G and 25G is CAD ~96/month.
00:28:31<fireonlive>damn!
00:28:47<@JAA>1G ~71
00:28:49<fireonlive>yeah i'd be all over that lol
00:29:49<fireonlive>we did get unlimited though which was lovely :)
00:29:57<@JAA>The 1G offer has no free router choice, but at that price, that's fair enough.
00:30:14<@JAA>And the Fritz!Box routers are okay in my experience.
00:32:58<fireonlive>ah, Fritz!Box i've sorta heard of those
00:33:10<@JAA>The thing with 10G and 25G is that I don't own a single piece of hardware that can do more than 1G anyway. So it's kind of useless.
00:33:12<fireonlive>yeah at that point it's not too bad just to do a one off buy of a router
00:33:33<fireonlive>mm unless you had a few boxes crunching at 1G maxing it out then no point
00:34:39<@JAA>Yeah, and space close to where the router needs to sit.
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00:38:17<@JAA>Or run a fat strand of ethernet cables across the apartment. Sounds fun.
00:57:51<fireonlive>i posited that i could run them along the ceiling
00:58:01<fireonlive>then i tried that and wow did it look dumb
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01:36:39<myself><fireonlive> on the spot 'what should i call myself here' is fun <-- solved that in 1 :D
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02:51:50<fireonlive>:D
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03:36:55<pabs>that_lurker: I am doing an AB job for the Tor forums, will re-do it after to capture the redirects
03:38:30<fireonlive>https://labs-web-bay.vercel.app/ if anyone cares about a) LTT b) LTT Labs c) wants to see the website linus leaked
03:39:09<fireonlive>SPN doesn't seem to like the outlinks and i'm not supposed to be on the laptop lol
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18:24:31<fireonlive>Debian 12 bookworm released: https://www.debian.org/News/2023/20230610
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18:30:10<@JAA>Aaaaand wget-at's build process, which was just bumped to bullseye days ago, is already outdated again. lol
18:34:35<nicolas17>I have been saying I should update to bookworm for months >.>
18:35:34<nicolas17>unlimited procrastination power
18:43:38<fireonlive>x3
18:44:07<fireonlive>i run fedora everywhere and frequently ignore or forget to remind myself about the release emails
18:44:21<fireonlive>then i go oh shit i’m how far behind
18:51:50<@JAA>Oh right, not only wget-at, also all the project images.
18:52:14<@JAA>(Which makes sense since mixing glibc versions could be *fun*.)
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18:58:47<@rewby>JAA: Doesn't half of our stuff still run on buster?
18:59:12<@JAA>rewby: Not anymore since this week!
18:59:12<@rewby>And then the parts still on wheezy or jessy
18:59:34<@rewby>I'm sure you know exactly which box I mean
18:59:43<@JAA>:-)
18:59:53<@rewby>JAA: Oh huh. Did we get the zstd version verified then as well?
19:00:03<@rewby>I know some zstd versions can be wonky on workers
19:00:10<@JAA>That's not even that bad. There's still a Ubuntu 12.04 box in use.
19:00:20<@JAA>It builds zstd 1.4.4 from source.
19:00:20<@rewby>Which one's that?
19:00:39<@rewby>Oh archivebot isn't iot
19:00:42<@rewby>*it
19:03:45<nicolas17>D:
19:04:11<nicolas17>my raspberry pi is on debian stretch
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19:06:44<@rewby>I just realised my autotarget systems are still on buster
19:06:56<@rewby>I should upgrade them
19:12:16<@JAA>Oh right, one of my servers is also still on jessie.
19:12:43<@JAA>https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/503/249/9e2.jpg
19:13:20<fireonlive>oops
19:13:31<@JAA>It's been slated for decomm for at least a couple years now. :-P
19:13:34<fireonlive>xP
19:13:42<fireonlive>'i'll do it one day!'
19:13:48<fireonlive><2 years later>
19:13:50<@JAA>That's the spirit. :-)
19:13:54<fireonlive>:3
19:15:00<that_lurker>JAA whats the uptime on that
19:15:31<that_lurker>Everyone needs at least one +1000 day uptime server that runs on hopes and dreams
19:15:51<@JAA>up 2179 days
19:16:28<@JAA>Yeah, can't disturb that number either. :-)
19:16:30<imer>updated some stuff to bookworm already and no complications so far
19:16:36<imer>JAA: oh god
19:17:03<@JAA><this_is_fine.png>
19:17:15<fireonlive>haha
19:17:27<fireonlive>i remember long ago everyone was like uptime is the best look how big it is this is amazing
19:17:38<fireonlive>now shorter is better, but availability is king
19:19:08<fireonlive>oh lord, memories of the epeen system uptime irc scripts people used just came flooding back
19:19:53<nicolas17>and the uptime records website
19:20:00<@JAA>I seem to remember a bug where Windows (Server?) would crash after like 50 days due to an int overflow in the number of milliseconds since boot.
19:20:17<nicolas17>JAA: lots of individual apps would mishandle that too
19:20:40<fireonlive>also, an airplane!
19:20:42<@JAA>I expect shitty code in random apps. At the time, I didn't expect shitty code in Windows.
19:20:46<fireonlive>737 max?
19:21:03<fireonlive>literally had to reboot systems if the planes computers passed a certain uptime iirc
19:21:27<@JAA>Oh yes, found it, 787s.
19:21:47<fireonlive>ah!
19:21:52<nicolas17>GetTickCount() function in Windows wraps around after 49.7 days
19:22:08<nicolas17>many apps fail to handle that correctly
19:22:14<@JAA>And the Windows thing I remembered was 95 and 98.
19:23:02<@JAA>https://web.archive.org/web/20110720060900/http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q216641/
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19:32:08<fireonlive>ohh right
19:32:22<fireonlive>i miss win2k and XP somewhat
19:32:51<fireonlive>anything before they started stuffing candycrush up my bottom
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19:50:42<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/JustJake/status/1667478906591666176
19:50:44<fireonlive>o_O
19:51:17<imer>sounds like google alright
19:51:54<imer>you would think if you were a paying customer instead of just eyeballs to watch ads they'd care..
19:52:26<joepie91|m>oh no, there's no support if you're a paying customer either
19:53:08<fireonlive>you need the premium support package at $999,999/year
19:53:28<fireonlive>*then* you'll get a shiny piece of paper to wipe your ass with
19:53:32<fireonlive>:)
19:55:01<joepie91|m>and of course the predictable replies to that tweet going "you will need sysadmins if you're gonna host it yourself!" which a) somehow elides the existence of an entire pre-existing hosting industry that offers everything from hardware-managed to software-managed services without cloudycloud bullshit, and b) bizarrely assumes that you somehow *don't* need a sysadmin for working with cloudycloud shit - it's just a sysadmin with a different
19:55:01<joepie91|m>title and who only knows how to work with proprietary vendor jank instead of standard Linux environments...
19:55:24<joepie91|m>I continue to be amazed by how Amazon, Google etc. have seemingly just completely eliminated the concept of a "hosting provider" from the collective consciousness
19:56:11<fireonlive>'dedicated server? is this 2009?'
19:56:17<fireonlive>'we're *cloud native*'
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20:20:58<fireonlive>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274437
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