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00:50:16<fireonlive>I forgot you could use BotServ to replace ChanServ's always-there presence haha (and provide 'fantasy commands' like !op or !kick): https://i.postimg.cc/4xDmRCHg/image.png https://i.postimg.cc/mgztnZDj/image.png
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01:15:39<fireonlive>https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/08/ios-17-link-tracking-protection/ ooooh?
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03:58:51<fireonlive|s>lmao oops
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04:26:08<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/jgamblin/status/1666541272876580864?s=12
04:26:19<fireonlive>physical replacement! lmao
04:36:50<pabs>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-09/abc-five-year-plan-to-accelerate-digital-transition/102460122
04:37:01<pabs>(moving away from TV/radio)
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04:37:38<fireonlive>interesting
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05:02:27<fireonlive>https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/issues/4659
05:02:52<fireonlive>oh christ, acme.sh vulnerable to command injection. need a malicious CA but wow
05:05:06<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/mholt6/status/1666920303279349760?s=12
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08:28:41<@rewby|backup>fireonlive: This was found because a CA is doing it
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11:45:59<joepie91|m>this is why we can't have nice things
11:50:55<@JAA>simp_le always seemed to me like the better option at the time when I was still using such scripts. But nowadays, there are several HTTP servers that have ACME built in, so all you need to do is set the domain in a config file.
11:51:38<@JAA>(Don't get me started on the madness that is certbot.)
11:57:57<@JAA>Looks like HiCA pulled down everything already. :-|
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13:13:16<hexa->this will certainly hit dev-security-policy anyway :)
13:13:37<hexa->in fact it already has
13:14:23<hexa->oh no, they're not a CA themselves
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13:35:53<myself>DeltaWhy: so, the first thing I ran into with bufferbloat, was using my ISP's published specs for speed, and just popping those values into the SQM config. Everything sucked. I had to take my real speedtest values, knock about 10% off them, and use those, et voila,smooth and pretty.
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13:38:06<DeltaWhy>what shaper do you use? I'm running opnsense on a pcengines router, so I think my hardware shouldn't be an issue. I have (advertised) 400/20Mbit cable
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13:41:04<myself>oh I was mistaken earlier when I mentioned fq_codel, I'm using cake.
13:41:24<hexa->cake++
13:42:47<myself>(I'm on openwrt, on a cheapass QCA956X router on 30/5 cable.) I have my speeds set to 28000/4900 in the SQM settings.
13:43:16<DeltaWhy>I don't have that option. I have weighted fair queue, FIFO, deficit round robin, qfq, flowqueue-codel, and flowqueue-pie
13:43:50<myself>pie sounds like a cake derivative, try that
13:44:08<myself>(the baked goods school of traffic optimization)
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13:47:28<DeltaWhy>I think the latency thing was a fluke, I've been trying different settings and went back to the original settings and got similar latency to what I saw without shaping enabled. still seeing a major drop in speeds though without much improvement in bufferbloat
13:53:00<myself>That's odd, I wonder if you've got competing mechanisms trying to manage the same queue or something, I don't know how opnsense works. If it's satisfactory everything turned off, then just turn it off I guess.
13:53:40<DeltaWhy>I am on wifi currently, I wonder if my wifi AP has its own shaping
13:57:51<DeltaWhy>doesn't look like it, but it has a setting for 'airtime fairness'. not sure if that's relevant - I have a mix of wifi 5 and 6 devices on the network but the laptop I'm on is wifi 6
13:58:37<myself>conceptually related but shouldn't interact, since that portion of the link is over and done with before your WAN SQM settings come into play.
14:00:50<DeltaWhy>yeah I think I'm gonna just leave it off for now. if you have some links that explain this stuff though I might look into it more later
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14:02:50<myself>I'm new to it myself, just followed the first tutorial I found. It's helped a few other folks, you're the first to have bad results and I'm out of my depth for troubleshooting.
14:10:47<DeltaWhy>I haven't had any major problems with video calls and such, just thought it was worth seeing if I could improve things with a few minutes tweaking. my biggest issue is when I need to copy large files up to servers for work, which is just a pure bandwidth issue
14:11:44<DeltaWhy>I have only one ISP available, and even their business plans cap out at 35Mbit upload :( my last house had municipal fiber and it was amazing
14:12:36<DeltaWhy>I should probably just upgrade to the 1000/35 plan
14:12:50<@JAA>Oof that ratio
14:14:05<DeltaWhy>the worst part is my two neighboring towns both have municipal fiber, but mine doesn't. maybe I should get into local politics lol
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15:14:41<Hans5958>We should update quote of the moment, especially since LLM bros literally make all APIs imaginable to be handicapped
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15:44:36<fireonlive>dev.security.policy is some kf
15:44:54<fireonlive>of* my favourite drama reading
15:44:57<fireonlive>haha
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19:57:15<that_lurker>https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-forum-migration/ Tor Project to self host their forums
20:03:03<@JAA>There is now real official confirmation that Stack Exchange is suspending its data dumps: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing (answer by Jody Bailey, CTO)
20:03:18<@JAA>Er, -bs (where the Tor stuff belongs as well!)
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20:45:25<icedice>ehmry: And can get worse depending on how it's enforced
20:46:02<ehmry>if Wired says telegram is a russian conspiracy than what does that make signal
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20:48:22<icedice>Unable to provide any useful user data
20:48:23<icedice>https://signal.org/bigbrother/cd-california-grand-jury/
20:48:42<icedice>"Unix timestamps for when each account was created and the date that each account last connected to the Signal service."
20:48:54<icedice>That and the phone number
20:49:16<icedice>Which they'd already need to know to request the useless data
20:49:18<ehmry>americans kill based on metadata, by their own admission
20:49:25<icedice>True
20:49:37<ehmry> so fuck signal
20:49:51<icedice>I prefer Session anyway
20:50:22<fireonlive>i'm not too sure how a created and last connected timestamp would help them
20:50:25<fireonlive>but idk much
20:51:03<icedice>SimpleX Chat and Cwtch also look good
20:52:00<that_lurker>matrix is good and even better if you self host it
20:52:31<icedice>Last connected could maybe be used for correlation, but people using Signal already give it their phone number and have a tracking device beaming out their location 24/7 so not sure how much good any metadata-based correlation does
20:52:39<ehmry>i do like simplex
20:53:07<fireonlive>i do use matrix with a couple friends (defedrated) but we are really on the edge of our seats hoping for elementx to be released
20:53:40<fireonlive>the lack of share sheet etc on iOS and somewhat clunky makes it hard for the friends to use it on anything but the desktop
20:53:42<icedice>Session, SimpleX Chat, and Cwtch are the only ones I know that address the metadata problem
20:54:01<@JAA>Isn't Matrix's E2EE quite ridiculous?
20:54:09<fireonlive>yeah E2EE also causes a lot of problems
20:54:15<fireonlive>lol
20:54:21<that_lurker>fireonlive Fluffychat is a good element alternative
20:54:22<fireonlive>failure to decrypt, message problem
20:54:36<fireonlive>and i think kinda weird/not super audited/to standard?
20:54:37<icedice>There might have been another one, but that one beams out all messages via every user or something like that, so collecting all messages is trivial and if the encryption is breakable then rip
20:54:57<fireonlive>tbh sometimes i wish i just set up something like 'the lounge' (thanks to whoever recommend that) and charybdis
20:55:12<fireonlive>(or the new hotness ircv3 server)
20:55:22<icedice>Matrix seems like a decent Discord alternative
20:55:43<fireonlive>that_lurker: thanks! i'll look into it
20:55:44<icedice>Signal is good for family members and people you know IRL
20:56:03<icedice>Might even be possible to talk some folks into using it instead of WhatsApp
20:56:26<icedice>fireonlive: Convos looks pretty nice as well
20:56:30<@JAA>Yep, that's what I use it for. I've convinced quite a few so far.
20:56:32<fireonlive>tks!
20:56:35<icedice>The Lounge is probably better though
20:56:43<fireonlive>JAA: from the pure crypto standpoint it's had some people going hmmm at it. usability with element is.. laughable at times
20:56:45<that_lurker>fireonlive I'm currently using thelounge and it's working amazingly. Can be on multiple servers simulteniously
20:57:01<that_lurker>switched to it from znc
20:57:04<@JAA>It's far from perfect, but it's the least bad option for generic non-techy people I think.
20:57:12<@JAA>(Talking about Signal)
20:57:12<icedice>Yeah
20:57:45<fireonlive>does anyone else find it impossible to google for matrix/synapse/element stuff
20:57:47<icedice>Session is probably the most functional anonymous end-to-end encrypted messenger
20:57:57<fireonlive>i have X problem.... now i'm fighting my search engine
20:58:02<@JAA>I do hope they get rid of the phone number requirement at some point. It's been taunted before.
20:58:13<fireonlive>agreed.
20:58:14<@JAA>But I also get why it's there.
20:58:23<icedice>Go to the GitHub repo and search in the issues
20:58:44<fireonlive>(matrix/synapse was set up as we wanted to have our own 'chat server' but also have like channels and bots and.. this was before I was back on IRC)
20:58:46<@JAA>I know. I've spent hours reading various Signal issues.
20:58:57<fireonlive>(and discord/telegram/etc sounded yucky and 'not private enough')
20:59:03<@JAA>Including all the ones on why they don't do a FOSS/F-Droid release etc.
20:59:13<fireonlive>JAA: those are fun issues
20:59:14<@JAA>Well, there is a FOSS version these days, but it's pretty bad.
21:00:09<fireonlive>i think signal is not very third party client friendly either
21:00:14<fireonlive>to the point of maybe banning you?
21:00:24<fireonlive>but it's been a while and memory is fuzzy
21:00:28<icedice>Sounds like Discord
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21:01:12<fireonlive>yeah.. discord is..... fun
21:01:30<fireonlive>technically me running discordchatexporter is 'self botting' and can get my account banned
21:01:40<@JAA>Yeah, they dislike third-party clients. As long as their client is open-source though, they can't do too much about it.
21:01:42<fireonlive>or heck even running something in the console on the browser
21:02:00<@JAA>And if they make it closed-source, they'll undermine their entire project.
21:02:16<fireonlive>every so often i take a little json dump of that pushpull reddit thing just in case reddit nukes it or whatever
21:02:30<icedice>fireonlive: If it's a browser extension or userscript it might be allowed, I guess?
21:02:34<fireonlive>i never thought i'd find myself rooting for jsonl, but i root for it now lol
21:02:45<@JAA>JSONL is awesome, I love it.
21:02:54<fireonlive>i've grown to :)
21:03:05<fireonlive>discordchatexporter makes all messages in one giant array
21:03:12<icedice>fireonlive: I'm in contact with the PushPull dev
21:03:13<fireonlive>and i'm like :( why
21:03:29<fireonlive>you'll find me on that discord too! just not as fireonlive haha
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21:04:00<nicolas17>I remember archiving twitch chat as one giant json array
21:04:09<icedice>I'm no longer there in case Reddit forces Discord to ban users in that Discord like Sony did with anime piracy Discords
21:04:09<fireonlive>i joined here and i was like uhhhhhh... nickname.. nickname... archiveteam...
21:04:09<nicolas17>for VODs
21:04:15<fireonlive>things are on fire....
21:04:19<icedice>I only chat with the dev anyway
21:04:21<fireonlive>and it usually happens live
21:04:21<@JAA>Chances are they don't know any better. Quite a few people I've talked to simply had no idea what JSONL is.
21:04:34<fireonlive>and thus fireonlive was born
21:04:44<fireonlive>googoogaga
21:04:45<fireonlive>etc
21:04:51<nicolas17>until I tried VODs from a Twitch channel with a lot more viewers and chat activity
21:04:59<nicolas17>and my script would just run out of memory
21:05:13<fireonlive>oof
21:05:25<fireonlive>JAA: yeah I was only made aware of it recently via pushshift i think!
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21:05:54<@JAA>fireonlive: Same here. Or well, yours is much more creative than mine. I wanted to run a project, had to come up with a nickname, and chose JustAnotherArchivist. That was too long for IRC (EFnet has stupid limits), so JAA. And it stuck.
21:06:32<icedice>I was in a similar situation when I was 15 and needed a username for a online project
21:06:34<fireonlive>ah! :)
21:06:49<icedice>Ended up disliking it a few years later, so I abbreviated it then
21:06:54<fireonlive>on the spot 'what should i call myself here' is fun
21:07:07<icedice>Easy enough for online friends to recognize me and I don't hate it anymore
21:07:15<fireonlive>oh good
21:07:50<icedice>Someone else already took that user tag on Discord though :/
21:08:05<fireonlive>ah boo, the lounge hides the early messages from IRC like maxlength of nick
21:08:10<nicolas17>fireonlive: https://cad-comic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/cad-20030630-b8fa2.x65831.jpg
21:08:40<fireonlive>:3
21:09:26<@JAA>That's how my software dev projects start.
21:09:37<icedice>Post Malone got his stage name from a rapper name generator
21:09:50<nicolas17>JAA: you have to pick a name *and a license*
21:09:52<nicolas17>/o\
21:10:05<BigBrain>chose this one after starting reddit warriors a year ago. was watching memes on reddit, there was a "its big brain time" meme and now i am here
21:11:02<nicolas17>I remember an imgur post that said "I was trying to pick a username when making an account and everything seemed to be taken, until I realized,"
21:11:13<nicolas17>and the gif for the "ain't nobody got time for that" meme
21:11:23<nicolas17>posted by user: timeforthat
21:12:10<icedice>Trying to find a Proton Mail username that isn't already taken is harder than you'd think
21:12:17<icedice>Unless you go completely random
21:13:25<that_lurker>my old username had finnish word in it, so it was hard for English speakers to pronounce. Then when I made a new one I was lurking on a lot of channels on multiple platforms so this nick came to life
21:16:27<icedice>Terve
21:16:35<fireonlive>=]
21:17:25<that_lurker>:P
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21:23:27<fireonlive>wow CC0 is quite lengthy vs a MIT-0
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