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01:25:53<TheTechRobo>Anyone know what Strawpoll is like with bans?
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01:44:20<TheTechRobo>cyrilio: interesting project!
01:44:23<cyrilio>sure no prob
01:44:27<cyrilio>definitely
01:45:51<TheTechRobo><systwi> Never mind, "Inspector" is blank.
01:46:08<TheTechRobo>That's actually happened to me before. It's usually solved by a reload. :/
01:46:58<TheTechRobo>cyrilio: what kind of resources are you looking for? I know nothing about NLP but I might be able to help...?
01:47:47<cyrilio>i can show you some preliminary work/dindings. Give me a sec to find the graphs
01:48:05<cyrilio>We looked at mentions of suicide in /r/drugs https://imgur.com/a/ljVljWg
01:48:13<TheTechRobo>systwi: Won't be that helpful, but what about Ctrl-U? In my experience it often works without the network. But if the site is still up and running, just with error messages, idk if that'll work.
01:48:59<cyrilio>we want to be able to give people asking for help more relevant automod or bot replies.
01:49:08<TheTechRobo>cyrilio: Oh, that makes sense.
01:49:15<TheTechRobo>Very good idea.
01:49:28<cyrilio>There are all kinds of diffferent reasons to ask for help and the standard canned responses are not always helpful
01:49:43<cyrilio>but also to better find Trolls
01:50:10<cyrilio>and lower our min karma requirements because we're better at detecting honest posts
01:50:31<cyrilio>we remove 4k posts and 11k comments a month
01:50:41<cyrilio>a lot seems to be false positive
01:51:00<TheTechRobo>cyrilio: What if one seemed to be but wasn't?
01:51:17<cyrilio>i dont understand
01:52:52<TheTechRobo><cyrilio> we remove 4k posts and 11k comments a month
01:52:52<TheTechRobo><cyrilio> a lot seems to be false positive
01:53:00<TheTechRobo>Does that mean you remove posts if they seem to be fake?
01:54:26<cyrilio>I think that we have to 'educate' subscribers better how to report and why it's important. Than what we do now, which is removing anything that might be trolling or harmful. Which is a ot. Like 13% of comments and 40% of posts
01:55:06<cyrilio>yeah or just asking stuff that with a simple google search can be answered
01:55:12<cyrilio>or rposts
01:56:22<cyrilio>or sorta off topic, but maybe not completely. And people with less than 100 karma can't post. So whatever they submit automatically gets removed
02:00:04<cyrilio>i just find it sad that people that just discover the subreddit arrre unable to become active just because of our archaic filtering system
02:00:32<cyrilio>the min karma level and account age
02:17:07<systwi>Thanks for the suggestion, TheTechRobo. The website is still up, but with an error page instead, as you correctly assumed.
02:17:20<systwi>I'm afraid to try it, heh.
02:18:20<systwi>Tested it on a different page, and I got a different output.
02:18:51<systwi>As in, the page loaded showed actual content, "Page Source" said nothing but "Bad Gateway" :-/
02:20:01<systwi>Yep, error page when checking page source on that dead site.
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02:42:34<cyrilio>well I'm off. Thanks for all the info and see you around
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08:40:27<Sanqui>> Maintenance work in progress.
08:40:27<Sanqui>>The game will be online again on 29.04.2021 at 14:05 .
08:40:29<Sanqui>famous last words
08:42:43<@OrIdow6^2>Sad but true
08:43:54<Sanqui>also
08:44:08<Sanqui>while procrastinating on studying for my finals, I'm archiving tons of online game websites and forums
08:44:13<Sanqui>it's honsetly bizarre just how many of these forums are being kept alive by "count to 1000/100000/a million" threads
08:44:18<Sanqui>this says something about forum culture
09:10:37<asie>i guess such threads are the easiest way to keep social bonds going
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12:58:11<audrooku|m>This is very far off-topic but there's a lot of very savvy individuals here so I thought I would ask.... (full message at https://matrix.hackint.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/hackint.org/idugBDbqfEqRzjZePQJxcyfp)
13:04:29<Sanqui|m>I would pick up mitmproxy
13:06:37<Sanqui|m>run the Discord client in a browser (Firefox or Chrome) and let the proxy capture all traffic (mitmproxy can handle saving HTTPS, WebSockets, and TCP flows), then parse/extract the video stream later (mitmproxy provides a Python API, I don't have experience with working with WebRTC video data, but the data should all be there in a raw form)
13:07:05<Sanqui|m>and the whole setup should be easier and more stable than "modifying a browser" :)
13:08:23<Sanqui|m>audrooku
13:18:22<audrooku|m>Huh. I thought mitmprox only supported http/s.
13:18:22<audrooku|m>I haven't had a ton of luck with getting mitmprox to run (or my browsers to not throw a fit about certificates...)
13:18:22<audrooku|m>But I'll give that a shot, thanks.
13:20:22<Sanqui|m>If you're lazy, you can test it with `--ignore-certificate-errors`, mitmproxy should check the certificates for you.
13:20:34<Sanqui|m>But the right thing to do is to use mitmproxy's root certificate of course.
13:20:47<Sanqui|m>(that's for Chrome)
13:21:46<Sanqui|m>(combine with `--proxy-server=[mitmproxy address]`)
13:22:50<Sanqui|m>mitmproxy itself is interactive, but if you want to make a simple dump using the CLI, you can run `mitmdump -w capture.mitmdump`
13:23:31<Sanqui|m>I use Chrome (controlled with Puppeteer) and mitmproxy to capture and later read Discord traffic (HTTPS and WebSocket, but not WebRTC) in https://github.com/Sanqui/discard2.
13:25:05<audrooku|m>Wow thank you. I'll take a look at that. I didnt know about mitmdump, that seems ideal.
13:27:05<audrooku|m>Oh oops... i conflated mitmproxy and warcprox
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13:32:04<Sanqui|m>oh yeah, warc anything cannot handle websocket or tcp
13:32:07<Sanqui|m>* websocket or arbitrary tcp
13:34:08<Sanqui|m>BTW, I report on Discord archival developments in #discard:hackint.org. I have plans to work on Discard2 more after I graduate (in 2 weeks hopefully)
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14:31:51<HP_Archivist>join/ #discard
14:31:53<HP_Archivist>oops
14:33:05<HP_Archivist>Sanqui|m - what's the channel name? I joined and there's nobody in there
14:33:26<@Sanqui>HP_Archivist: it is #discard
14:33:45<@Sanqui>not literally #discard:hackint.org, but "#discard on hackint.org"
14:34:03<HP_Archivist>Lmao. All good, thank you
14:34:21<HP_Archivist>I look forward to future Discard2 updates
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18:01:04<@JAA>Sanqui, audrooku|m: To be clearer, WARC only actually supports HTTP/1.1. Even 0.9 and 1.0 isn't supported, although some tools still write it in violation of the spec. So yeah, it's *great*.
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18:02:16<@JAA>Some tools also rewrite HTTP/2 data as /1.1 FoR COmPaTibIliTY.
18:07:20<@Sanqui>*cry*
18:08:23<audrooku|m>Pain
18:11:49<Jake>😞
18:13:11<@JAA>As with warcio, the real problem there is that the people doing this don't see it as a problem.
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18:57:05<programmerq>Does archiveteam run brozzler at all in conjunction with archivebot perhaps? I believe brozzler is what the web.archive.org/save interface uses. It looks like brozzler can be set up to use a distributed queue/worker type system, which could be super helpful for certain archive projects like news article archives or whatnot-- especially since it has youtube-dl integration and
18:57:07<programmerq>could theoretically grab video content on a news article (depending on the provider)
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18:57:38<@JAA>We do not, but that would be on-topic.
18:58:38<programmerq>I figured it might be at slightly off-topic if the answer was that archiveteam did not use it.
19:07:15<systwi>https://izismile.com/2020/08/31/oh_the_sweet_early_days_of_the_internet_23_pics_1_gif.html
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20:36:43<h3ndr1k>You would think that giant companies like PayPal would figure out encodings and stuff. But no, they sent me an SMS that I sent "&euro;100 EUR" to someone. Why is there HTML in an SMS... Quality Control? Software Testing?
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21:55:42<systwi>Isn't just "100 EUR" sufficient? All ASCII, no special characters. Gets the job done fine imo.
21:58:53<@JAA>EUR €100€ EUR, just to cover all possible arrangements of where the sign goes. :-)
22:11:26<h3ndr1k>&amp;euro;
22:12:42<@JAA>%26amp%3Beuro%3B
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