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01:33:24<audrooku|m>nirv: What're you trying to do?
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05:22:47<nirv>okay. I think the first rars are extracted now. 896GB excluding the 2~GB geocities folder. https://pastebin.com/ZW7mtyuf
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07:54:44<nirv>nirv@debian:~/ExtractedGeo$ tar xf --directory /home/nirv/ExtractedGeo2 > /home/nirv/ExtractedGeo/extracted5.log tar: --directory: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
07:54:51<nirv>ok you son of a bitch linux
07:54:59<nirv>I'll just extract you where the fuck you are
07:55:41<nirv>nirv@debian:~/ExtractedGeo$ tar xf > /home/nirv/ExtractedGeo/extracted5.log tar: Old option 'f' requires an argument.
07:55:42<nirv>....
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08:00:20<nirv>if you successfully extracted those second set of files, how did you do it? tar xf in any variation isn't working
08:00:37<appledash>You need to specify the file you want to extract
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08:10:37<nirv>but the files have no extension.
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08:12:01<nirv>if I wild card it I know something else is going to go wrong
08:12:30<nirv>almost 1 month and the only thing that has worked is rewby's recommendations. no website has been helpful at all. not even the geocities site that talks about the very torrent
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08:25:37<h3ndr1k>You just executed "tar xf" with no further arguments, what is that supposed to do? You forgot the archive after -f
08:25:58<nirv>extract the whole folder the way 7zip did
08:26:19<nirv>this is what I used for the first .001 set: find . -type f -iname "*.7z.001" -exec 7z x -aos -o/home/nirv/ExtractedGeo {} \; > /home/nirv/ExtractedGeo/extracted4.log
08:26:25<nirv>but those had extensions.
08:26:28<nirv>this set doesn't
08:26:30<nirv>and it's tar.
08:26:46<nirv>I'm finding sites like https://www.computerhope.com/unix/utar.htm
08:26:50<nirv>which don't show me what I need
08:27:24<nirv>rewby said even these tips are wrong. https://blog.geocities.institute/archives/498
08:31:42<nirv>yup
08:31:53<nirv>all the comments are deleted on that site, but I found some here. https://web.archive.org/web/20160405121316/https://blog.geocities.institute/archives/498
08:32:00<nirv>lots of people have trouble with this
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08:36:21<nirv>I know it's lazy but if you could just give me the answer, I could do it and then make a video and save tens of others from this pain
08:36:53<nirv>I really wanted to go through the material but at this point I almost feel that preventing others from putting up with this shit is MORE IMPORTANT
08:40:22<@OrIdow6>Why is the presence or absence of extensions important?
08:41:39<nirv>it seems every single tar command wants an extension
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08:42:11<@OrIdow6>What do you mean, "wants"?
08:42:34<nirv>xamples: tar -cf archive.tar foo bar # Create archive.tar from files foo and bar. tar -tvf archive.tar # List all files in archive.tar verbosely. tar -xf archive.tar # Extract all files from archive.tar.
08:42:57<nirv>all examples everywhere in --help for tar and on the other all have an extension
08:43:00<nirv>.tar
08:43:02<nirv>.tar.gz
08:43:04<nirv>whastever
08:43:14<nirv>so you never dealt with this geocities set yet?
08:43:15<nirv>try it. I dare you
08:43:23<nirv>I dare you to download and extract it without an issue
08:44:05<@OrIdow6>I joined ArchiveTeam 10 years after that was made
08:44:18<nirv>https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6353395/Geocities_-_The_PATCHED_Torrent
08:44:21<nirv>have at it
08:44:26<nirv>it's a lot of fun *CRAZY EYES*
08:44:28<@OrIdow6>It's not my fault
08:45:10<nirv>at this point I just want to extract it and make a freaking virtualbox image for people to download
08:45:14<nirv>so they don't have to go through this
08:45:29<@OrIdow6>As far as I know the GNU tar utility does not care about extension
08:45:35<nirv>well
08:45:38<nirv>give me a command to try
08:45:42<nirv>and I'll show you HOW BAD IT IS
08:45:43<nirv>in fact
08:45:47<nirv>I'll stream live and show you
08:45:48<nirv>how bad it is
08:45:51<@OrIdow6>I don't know what you're trying to do
08:45:52<nirv>even though I'm at work right now
08:45:56<nirv>extract files
08:46:09<nirv>these files. https://pastebin.com/ZW7mtyuf
08:46:24<nirv>over 850GB
08:46:43<nirv>there is one folder in that list there just called "geocities"
08:46:52<nirv>I assume that's where all of these tars are going to extract into
08:46:56<nirv>I PRESUME. I could be wrong
08:48:21<@OrIdow6>If you want to see you can do "tar --list --file [name of file]" and it will list its contents
08:48:37<nirv>you want me to do that for all 30,000 files or however many is there?
08:48:40<nirv>Sure, I've got EIGHT YEARS.
08:49:30<nirv>geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/street-captains-members.html geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/street-captains-minutes.html geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/websites.html geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/survey.html geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/vp-logo.jpg geocities/us.geocities.com/viewpointrova/treasurer-reports.html geocities/us.geocities
08:49:30<nirv>.com/viewpointrova/workshops.html
08:49:35<nirv>yup it's gonna be /geocities
08:50:29<nirv>okay. so what do you htink the command will be to extract every single file as right now
08:50:44<@OrIdow6>cat * | tar -x
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08:51:02<nirv>ok did it
08:51:10<nirv>the terminal isn't updating. I always love this
08:51:13<nirv>so if it prompts me something
08:51:18<nirv>I CAN'T SEE IT
08:51:25<nirv>how do you guys put up with this weird shuit?
08:51:34<@OrIdow6>cat * | tar -vx would list (IIRC) what is being extracted
08:51:34<nirv>why doesn't it update like a real OS?
08:51:49<nirv>well it's already fucked isn't it?
08:51:54<@OrIdow6>Just stop the command
08:51:55<nirv>if I stop it
08:51:58<nirv>files are going to be fucked
08:52:01<@OrIdow6>Remove whatever's in geocities/
08:52:05<@OrIdow6>And the restart with -v
08:52:06<nirv>I can't
08:52:16<nirv>because the .001 original files already extracted about 2GB in /geocities
08:52:19<nirv>see what I mean dude?
08:52:21<nirv>this is the worst shit ever
08:52:32<@OrIdow6>I don't understand why that prevents you from stopping it
08:52:38<nirv>okay
08:52:48<nirv>so there were already SOME files in /geocities right?
08:52:58<nirv>I JUST extracted a few more into /geocities right
08:53:04<nirv>I don't know which files went there just now
08:53:05<nirv>but some did
08:53:11<@OrIdow6>Hm
08:53:12<nirv>I can't just delete the new ones extracted
08:53:21<nirv>so if I try this new cat * | tar -vx
08:53:31<nirv>I guess I can set it to overwrite?
08:53:59<nirv>ok well it's going
08:54:00<nirv>fuck it
08:54:21<@OrIdow6>I think the default behavior is to overwrite, trying to check
08:54:51<nirv>it's going. no prompts yet
08:55:24<@OrIdow6>Are you getting output?
08:56:36<nirv>well
08:56:39<nirv>I'm at work vbut I put uyp a sylkhejillgq3hw
08:56:40<nirv>https://youtu.be/RS0fCNo_4Qc
08:56:41<nirv>there
08:56:51<nirv>going to get video when it explodes (which it will)
08:57:35<nirv>I just know virtualbox is going to have a 2TB limit hdd even with the dynamic hdd I selected
08:57:46<nirv>and I'll have to start over. but that's okay. your command seems to be working
08:57:51<nirv>ahahah WAIT
08:57:52<nirv>nope
08:57:53<nirv>it just stopped
08:57:54<nirv>SEE?
08:57:55<nirv>holy FUCK
08:58:00<nirv>ALWAYS something
08:58:01<nirv>every time
08:58:45<nirv>there's no way it just extracted 850+GB
08:58:56<nirv>so what the fuck DID it extract? maybe 15GB if that
08:59:06<nirv>hi linux. why do you suck so bad?
08:59:25<nirv>I challenge anyone here to successfully extract this archive.
09:02:14<nirv>cat * | tar -vx <-------- doesn't extract every archive in the folder even though just looking at the command it suggests it will actually work
09:02:24<nirv>* generally means ALL. Wildcard. ALL.
09:06:42<nirv>I want to give up so bad
09:07:32<nirv>if someone could please, I beg you, download the patched geocities archive. extract all of it. delete the rars and keep only the geocities folder with all the data. archive that Virtual machine disk and put that somewhere for us to download. It will be over 1TB
09:07:48<nirv>but I will GLADLY download 400+GB extra from the torrent to not have to go through this. nothing I do works.
09:09:27<nirv>I think the material is worth going through, and I really want to do it. I was pretty involved in geocities. I even have VHS video from 1997 of me editing my geocities website. https://youtu.be/Ie8cRy3rJ1k?t=946
09:11:14<@OrIdow6>When the tar command stopped did it say anything?
09:11:24<nirv>no
09:11:25<@OrIdow6>Or did it just list the last file and then stop
09:11:41<@OrIdow6>Hm
09:12:24<nirv>look
09:12:27<nirv>here is the moment it stopped
09:12:27<nirv>https://youtu.be/78UOCsVPj5Q?t=74
09:21:18<@OrIdow6>Are you sure you did "cat *" and not something else?
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09:42:11<nirv>cat * | tar -vx
09:42:14<nirv>exactly that
09:43:07<nirv>if there's any doubt I just pressed up in the terminal to show last command
09:43:07<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872443255281844236/950327652206673931/unknown.png
09:44:11<nirv>I'm at work so I can't do a lot right now but maybe it'd be better if one of you could download and try extracting it yourself
09:44:26<nirv>and when you finally, finally claw, scratch, and bite your way to a real, working method of extracting the entire archive
09:44:29<nirv>let us know
09:45:03<nirv>I'm seriously more focused right now on making this reproducable so anybody can get the archive and do it. because right now, unless you're an expert like many of you here, nobody can do this.
09:45:30<nirv>I have 2 more 18TB hard drives coming in the mail right now
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09:47:15<nirv>OrIdow6, that ar.geocities.com is the first file in the folder btw. it's 6.2GB. I assume the command you gave me only extracted that one then stopped
09:53:08<nirv>there has to be a wildcard tar command that actually works and keeps going though
09:53:15<nirv>it's all unintuitive to me
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09:53:33<nirv>to me, it's totalcommander, alt+F9 and done. easy. extracted.
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09:53:42<nirv>linux? GEW%YEW%T#%GQ# {} & 45 HIKE
09:53:44<nirv>yeah, that's normal.
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10:13:32<nirv>ls * | xargs -n1 tar zxvf
10:13:34<nirv>?
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10:22:15<nirv>tar -x --skip-old-files -f * --directory "/mnt/debian5tb/geo" > /mnt/debian5tb/oh.log
10:22:16<nirv>nope
10:22:27<nirv>ls *.tgz | xargs -n1 tar zxvf
10:22:28<nirv>nope
10:22:36<nirv>nope. nope. nope. nope. it isn' possible
10:23:45<nirv>hi everyone. here is 1TB of geocities files. how do actually extract and view the data? sorry. you're going to need two PhDs in Linux to view them. Have a nice day
10:25:33<nirv>ok. obtained my PhD in linux. still can't extract the geocities archive.
10:25:33<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/950338320842514432/unknown.png
10:42:22<nirv>print `tar -C /mnt/debian5tb/geo -xf $tarname`; > /mnt/debian5tb/oh.log
10:42:23<nirv>nope
10:42:28<nirv>print `tar -C /mnt/debian5tb/geo -x $tarname`; > /mnt/debian5tb/oh.log
10:42:30<nirv>also nope
10:54:40<nirv>tar: option requires an argument -- 'f'
10:54:52<nirv>how about FUCK you, linux? you unintuitive piece of swill
10:57:58<nirv>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/GeoCities_Project
10:58:10<nirv>no mention of how fun trying to extract the files is.
10:58:31<nirv>welp, I guess this archive is only for 3 people on the planet then
11:02:27<appledash>I think you should take a step back and clear your head and have another shot when you're less frustrated
11:08:02<nirv>I was hoping to start the extraction before I went to work so my PC could be actually doing something
11:08:48<nirv>all of the comments on the geocities archive page have been deleted so I'm having to use wayback machine. then I'm trying them and they're not working.
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11:24:38<nirv>AHAHAHAH
11:24:56<nirv>I was just extracting some folders using doublecommander and now the machine just randomly reboots
11:25:00<nirv>this is so great
11:25:14<nirv>I really should be recording all this
11:25:20<nirv>it's COMEDY GOLD
11:25:23<nirv>NOTHING works at all
11:39:51<@rewby>I extracted the tars by just cd-ing to /geocities and running: for i in * ; do tar xvf $i ; done
11:40:08<@rewby>Also, tar xf will just overwrite stuff that's already there
11:40:14<@rewby>so no worries about interrupting it and starting again
11:45:14<nirv>ok. it seems to actually be gpong using doublecommander
11:45:47<nirv>on a cell phone vncing into home pc
11:45:59<nirv>just trying to get the pc working
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11:48:30<nirv>so youre all done rewby?
11:53:42<nirv>i like dounlecommander
11:53:50<nirv>its like totalcommander for win
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12:19:58<nirv>hahaha it crashed again
12:20:00<nirv>holy fuck
12:21:14<T31M>I am close to finishing the dl, just out of curiosity how there can be a week long thread already here on this :^)
12:21:15<nirv>look at this shit
12:21:19<nirv>https://youtu.be/TEzTM9DP-2Q?t=2952
12:21:25<nirv>chugging along nicely and then kerput
12:21:46<nirv>it's pure comedy
12:22:38<nirv>I want to know why it just arbitrarily stopped.
12:22:47<nirv>How about you work, linux? Why can't you work like a normal computer?
12:24:00<T31M>GUIs are most of the time not very great at showing what actually went wrong :/ ... Haha depends whats a "normal computer" for you
12:25:18<nirv>without the GUI, I'm skeptical I can even get the files extracted. I'm about to try rewby's: for i in * ; do tar xvf $i ; done
12:25:33<nirv>I'm going to record this shit too because I KNOW it's going to blow up.
12:25:45<nirv>I have never been stuck 3+ weeks on extracting an archive ever
12:26:01<nirv>although this is the biggest archive I ever tried to extract
12:27:44<nirv>I have to figure out where I can sneak in a directory there
12:28:13<nirv> for i in * ; do tar xvf --directory /mnt/debian5tb $i ; done
12:29:33<ThreeHM>Should be tar -C /mnt/debian5tb -xvf $i
12:31:35<@rewby>^
12:31:36<nirv>Try 'tar --help' or 'tar --usage' for more information. tar: You must specify one of the '-Acdtrux', '--delete' or '--test-label' options Try 'tar --help' or 'tar --usage' for more information.
12:31:37<nirv>nope
12:31:58<@rewby>for i in * ; do tar -C /mnt/debian5tb -xvf $i ; done
12:32:02<nirv>for i in * ; do tar -C /mnt/debian5tb xvf $i ; done
12:32:06<nirv>oh
12:34:11<nirv>you're laying on heavy greek language
12:34:16<nirv>but it seems to be working
12:35:05<nirv>I'm just gonna watch the livestream of this nightmare
12:35:09<nirv>I'm not even touching my PC anymore
12:35:09<nirv>https://youtu.be/WIizviY-Qko
12:35:14<nirv>explosions inc
12:39:59<T31M>I geuss not beneficial that my raid is resyncing while I unpack this but oh well... will check in back later once its extracted the split 7z in the GEOCITIES folder :)
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13:14:58<@rewby>T31M: most of the sites seem to be in the UPPERCASE and LOWERCASE folders I think
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13:22:21<nirv>dave cutler sure is right
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13:22:40<nirv>compooters only do what you say not what you mean
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13:59:01<Niklink>computers were a mistake, join the butlerian jihad
14:11:01<nirv>dude I downloaded 2 linux books the other day
14:11:10<nirv>and I can't find even PART of the command rewby gave me
14:11:11<nirv>UNIX_and_Linux_System_Administration_Handbook_by_Trent_R._Hein.pdf
14:11:16<nirv>EA_HowLinuxWorks3rd_03032021.pdf
14:13:34<ThreeHM>What part of that command were you looking for? tar?
14:14:06<nirv>no not tar. just things like "for i in" or "$i ; done" or even "i in *"
14:14:11<nirv>nothing. 0. zilch
14:14:19<h3ndr1k>man bash
14:15:01<ThreeHM>Yeah, that's a one-line shell script, so technically not a command
14:15:54<nirv>it may be, but I honestly think if the geocities archive is anything like how you guys release other things, it's too inaccessible to be really preserved
14:16:15<nirv>things are only preserved when they're relatively easy to get at. and this by far was not easy.
14:17:01<nirv>I know more about computers and software than the average person, but even I couldn't get this collection. if I can't do it, millions of other humans will not be able to
14:19:54<nirv>all the searches I did never brought me close to what ultimately needed to be typed into terminal. that's bad
14:19:56<appledash>I'm 23 now. I did this when I was 13 and pretty bad at computers in general... just saying
14:20:42<nirv>appledash, but not even you had an answer as to how to extract the files. neither did any website I went to
14:20:59<nirv>all I came across were other people struggling with no final answer
14:21:31<appledash>I never said anything after it finished downloading because someone else was helping you and I didn't want to create a too many cooks situation :p
14:22:05<nirv>oh thanks a lot. I could have had more hair had you helped me, you know :P
14:22:11<nirv>now I'm bald. thanks a LOT
14:24:11<appledash>lol
14:24:54<appledash>Well I am now extracting
14:25:06<nirv>yeah me too. it seems to be the key
14:25:23<nirv>now there may be multiple ways of doing it, but if you search these commands, you don't find them online.
14:25:34<nirv>in fact, these commands may be the first time they've ever been typed, ever
14:25:39<nirv>I'm kidding around.
14:25:45<Niklink>pretty good point about the accessibility of preservation
14:26:52<Niklink>'is this backed up somewhere somehow'is always the fundamental question but there should always be concerns about the availability of the content, how easy it is to use, how easy it is to FIND if you're looking for it
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14:28:48<nirv>yup. I'm going to try to make this geocities collection much more accessible by putting a ready-to-go virtual machine file that people can just download and import into virtualbox or something
14:29:03<nirv>at least as an option
14:29:54<Niklink>if you think of something like flashpoint as compared to like, a huge folder of swf files on IA or something, it illustrates how much of a difference it can make
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14:30:24<ThreeHM>That's why all current AT projects can be browsed through the wayback machine
14:30:38<ThreeHM>No need to download or extract anything
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14:33:32<Niklink>yeah that's pretty good, although findability is an issue
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14:38:44<appledash>I'm decompressing the 7z archives, please hold...
14:41:54<nirv>appledash, when it's done, this is what it looked like for me. about 865GB~ https://pastebin.com/ZW7mtyuf
14:42:13<appledash>I seem to be going at about 10GB/minute
14:42:41<nirv>so it's a fairly clean extract except you have a geocities folder with like 2GB of random shit
14:42:52<nirv>which will blow up much bigger after the second extract
14:50:57<nirv>I can't believe double commander blew debian up. absolutely crashed it to hell. that blows my mind. I always thought linux was as tough as nails
14:51:15<nirv>and I've got video of it falling to pieces from a simple graphical file manager
14:51:46<nirv>*nascar tire screech and bending metal noises*
14:53:19<nirv>I have a programmer friend who occasionally asks my input on things he's working on. he knows that programmers need input from actual humans because what makes sense to them might not make sense to an average human
14:54:49<Niklink>my command line tool is super usable (only because I have every single flag etched into my brain from having developed it)
14:59:10<Niklink>good lord, 201 terabytes of unlisted youtube videos? I had such a hard go of it saving and reuploading 13 gigs worth
14:59:27<nirv>where did you get 201TB from?
14:59:50<Niklink>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/YouTube#Older_unlisted_videos_(July_2021)
15:01:01<nirv>I have at least 3TB of unlisted videos right now on my own channel. :/
15:01:36<nirv>oh man
15:02:06<nirv>so I'm extracting this geocities on a clean VDI file right now. no OS on it.
15:02:23<Niklink>yeah but I bet your internet goes faster than 1mbit
15:02:23<nirv>after it's extracted I have to think what I'm going to do to make it available to average people
15:02:52<nirv>sure does. wish my upload was faster than 42Mbps though
15:26:08<nirv>I don't know if I mentioned this, but I have already gone through some of the extracted geocities files a few weeks ago and found some really interesting things
15:26:28<nirv>I found a guy who literally scanned his license, social security card, and some other person effects to his geocities site.
15:27:28<nirv>but the best thing I found so far is a really cool tomcat drawing that I have no idea how someone did
15:27:49<nirv>here it is
15:27:50<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897901358999548004/944709616003067914/tomcat.gif
15:27:59<nirv>look how great that pixel art is, man.
15:28:01<nirv>it's beautiful
15:31:47<nirv>I don't know if anyone here knows it or not
15:31:52<nirv>but rewby is a goddamned Jedi
16:36:19<SketchTheCow>So, like, I'm not THRILLED someone decided to name their warrior LetsGoBrandon, but I also can't STOP them?
16:36:49<SketchTheCow>I think when you have a confrontational-in-general username on the warrior, it kind of leads to fuckage
16:37:12<SketchTheCow>It's one thing if you're archiving, say, a Microsoft site that's shutting down and you make your name "FuckBillyG"
16:37:35<SketchTheCow>Anyway, that's the beginning and end of my noting it.
17:16:16<Frogging101>Who's brandon?
17:17:22<@rewby>I had to Google it. It's a US politics derogatory slogan.
17:17:45<Frogging101>ah I see
17:37:02<nirv>it's such a stupid saying, too
17:40:07<nirv>all these new phrases and sayings by the last two generations are embarrassing. "sketch" "sus" "bro" "tryna" "bruh" "no cap"
17:40:46<Niklink>that's just because you're not used to hearing them, homeslice
17:41:00<nirv>*drops shotgun from sleeve* say homeslice one more time
17:41:05<nirv>i'm kidding
17:43:18<@arkiver>SketchTheCow: which tracker
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17:51:42<painbow>of course I blue screened. of course
17:51:49<painbow>wouldn't ever want to finish geocities extraction would we
17:53:44<@arkiver>you blue screened on geocities extraction?
17:53:50<@arkiver>that's odd
17:54:03<@arkiver>(i assume the windows blue screen)
17:54:05<painbow>I blue screened messing around with windows XP in virtualbox trying to get the weird window dragging lag fixed
17:54:18<painbow>changing a few things caused my win10 host machine to blue screen
17:54:26<painbow>which fucked my debian virtual box that was open
17:54:39<painbow>whatever
17:54:45<@arkiver>makes more sense now
17:54:47<painbow>I wanted to upgrade my virtualbox a few versions anyway
17:55:06<painbow>I've never been so fucked trying to do something
17:55:16<painbow>I never blue screen in windows. now suddenly I do
17:56:27<painbow>now I'm not sure if the command overwrites, skips, or does what now? for i in * ; do tar -C /mnt/debian5tb -xvf $i ; done
17:56:43<painbow>probably none
17:57:08<painbow>i guess -xdf --skip-old-files
18:03:19<painbow>for i in * ; do tar -C /mnt/debian5tb -xkvf $i ; done
18:03:20<painbow>haha
18:03:42<painbow>well it's working but it's actually going through each file and skipping them. I guess that's okay, but it's going to be an hour at least before it's caught up with where it was
18:03:45<painbow>weeeeeee!
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19:40:40<Hobart>Is there a current page with details on what hosts / user-agents to whitelist for Wayback Machine snapshots?
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21:28:29<nirv>ahhahaah
21:28:43<nirv>my files are definitely in the geocities collection. I just found them. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/950505193169121290/unknown.png
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21:35:34<nirv>Niklink, I found my geocities files in the collection. pretty funny :D
21:35:48<nirv>nothing but pictures of my junk
21:35:51<nirv>(just kidding)
21:36:07<Niklink>darn, I was getting excited for a second there
21:36:22<nirv>ha ha ha. I did find my files though. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/950505193169121290/unknown.png
21:36:38<Niklink>dios mio
21:36:57<Niklink>see this is the positive side of photobucket's death
21:37:28<nirv>the information I wrote on my geocities page is actually pretty close to your name
21:37:34<nirv>I wrote a lot about the Sega Saturn NetLink
21:37:59<nirv>I had contacts at Sega of America and Planetweb. Direct pipeline to them and I'd relay that info to my little geocities site
21:38:34<nirv>until I became an editor at netlinkworld.com. a little fan site for the NetLink. A 28.8 modem that fit into the Sega Saturn and allowed you to get online (barely) through your television without a computer.
21:38:49<Niklink>but... why
21:39:21<nirv>well, the NetLink and Sony WebTV were devices that allowed people to get online without a computer in the mid 90s. Not all of us had the money to buy one. they were pretty expensive
21:40:01<nirv>so a small community of gamers was built around the NetLink because now that we're online, we were just waiting for games to support the modem. They eventually did -- only 5 games though.
21:40:19<nirv>It got very expensive to play those 5 games over modem-to-modem gaming. Long distance charges and all :(
21:40:31<Niklink>oh so it's actually a modem
21:40:37<nirv>ya
21:40:50<Niklink>huh
21:41:09<nirv>here I am using that NetLink in 1997 to WORK on my geocities site. yes, I actually recorded some vhs. https://youtu.be/Ie8cRy3rJ1k?t=351
21:41:39<Niklink>the idea of having to use a sega saturn to connect to the internet is very funny to me
21:42:05<nirv>haha yeah it was. we were all kind of jealous of computers and even the WebTV. the webtv was slightly more powerful than the netlink
21:42:17<Niklink>your mom comes in like CHARLIE I NEED TO PLAY PANZER DRAGOON
21:42:18<nirv>the WebTV supported frames on websites. the netlink browser, developed by planetweb, did not
21:42:44<nirv>planetweb went on to create the Dreamcast browser which I don't recall ever using.
21:44:03<Niklink>honestly if you were using a dreamcast not for playing video games you were doing it wrong
21:44:03<nirv>this is why I worked so hard to get the geocities collection. means a lot to me. I was up to my neck in that stuff
21:45:15<Niklink>yeah you're definitely a couple generations ahead of me on archiving things
21:46:44<Niklink>I wasn't really on the internet until the late 00s
21:55:12<nirv>it sure was great early on
21:55:54<nirv>I met a dude on hallucinet.com which was a no doubt band fan page. it had a web-based chat that my sega saturn netlink actually worked with.
21:56:09<nirv>he began teaching me about the anarchist cookbook which I never heard of at that point
21:56:26<nirv>these days you do that and you're banned, suspended, and probably reported to police
21:56:39<nirv>nobody died. there were no chat moderators. people just talked about what they wanted
22:03:32<Niklink>no im pretty sure you can just google anarchist cookbook
22:03:59<nirv>yeah I know but everyone is so sensitive these days with words.
22:04:22<nirv>mods, ops etc, if there were any, would give people a chance. these days it's INSTANT perm ban. no warnings. just straight to perm ban
22:04:35<nirv>all because you called someone a buttmunch
22:04:46<nirv>wait no I was just kidd---- *dialtone* ☎
22:05:20<Niklink>as an internet chat moderator on the side i have to dispute this
22:05:32<nirv>one of those subreddit mods?
22:06:09<Niklink>oh sure I guess I do that too but mainly I'm just like, removing spam and shitty trolls
22:06:15<nirv>instant perm ban from twitter after quoting jim carrey's movie: me myself & irene. here it is. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/950514673869008948/twitterban-jimcarrey.JPG
22:06:32<nirv>wouldn't have happened in the 90s ^
22:06:41<Niklink>lmfao
22:07:47<nirv>almost everything my friend types on reddit is deleted. you click permalink and it's not even there. I don't know. the internet is so depressing. https://old.reddit.com/user/reditblowsmeatycawk
22:08:04<Niklink>anyways personally speaking we run a pretty open community and usually the newer users tend to shun the channel where most of the moderators talk because we're more unhinged
22:08:04<nirv>they call him a troll yet he's the most sincere people I've met. he actually gives a crap.
22:08:22<nirv>people=person
22:08:32<nirv>yeah
22:09:08<nirv>"there doesn't seem to be anything here" nice website, reddit. wouldn't want somebody different commenting would you
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22:09:39<Niklink>the golden rule for volunteer internet moderators is never give it to anyone who actually wants to do it
22:10:35<Niklink>they should all be uncomfortable and bored but put up with it because they love the community for like three months until they get burned out trying to rein in problem users, have a mental breakdown and quit
22:11:46<Niklink>eventually newer conscripts will have modship forced upon them, and thus the cycle perpetuates
22:12:33<Niklink>anyone who enjoys the experience is a sociopath and should not be trusted
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22:15:04<Niklink>flashpoint supremacy
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