| 00:18:01 | <pabs> | JAA: one of the flat earthers got himself killed while creating/flying a rocket to prove the earth is flat, so I wouldn't say completely harmless, especially if the rocket hit the ground in a more populated area |
| 00:32:06 | <@JAA> | pabs: I guess you mean Mike Hughes? From what I've read, he might not actually have been a flat Earther but rather just got them to fund his hobby. In any case, yeah, true, but that danger is minimal. |
| 00:32:19 | <@JAA> | Also, I said 'mostly', not 'completely'. :-) |
| 00:32:30 | <pabs> | interesting, I didn't know that aspect |
| 00:35:37 | <@JAA> | I still think the bigger danger from flat Earthers is making people doubt science in general, which then leads to anti-vax, anti-5G, and whatnot. But the community is so small and the belief so outlandish that I don't think it makes a big difference. |
| 00:40:35 | | pabs likes the "birds aren't real" conspiracy satire movement |
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| 01:02:02 | <h3ndr1k> | "Satire" you say... smh |
| 01:02:26 | <h3ndr1k> | ;) |
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| 08:54:48 | <mpeter|m> | I'm "kind of" anti-5G too, but not that way. I don't believe in harmful radiations, my reason is rather computer security. |
| 08:54:48 | <mpeter|m> | AFAIK there's 2 different kinds of 5G in the aspect that there is the one that works in the traditional cellular network style (clients connect to the cell towers), and the other one is where devices communicate with each other in short range, but not too short. |
| 09:02:13 | <mpeter|m> | my problem with that, is that if someone has a smart device in their home (like a smart TV, even if only used as a big display, because there are no dumb TVs in stores anymore), then it is an important part of security that you either don't connect it to the internet, or you try to filter it's traffic however you want. it works because that TV can only connect to the internet if you allow it: you plug in a cable, or type in your wifi password |
| 09:02:13 | <mpeter|m> | (for the sake of simplicity lets assume there are no such things as open wifi networks, because you have thick walls). |
| 09:02:13 | <mpeter|m> | most of the times the reason for filtering is to get rid of advertisements and thwart data mining by the manufacturer and apps (including preinstalled ones). the device phoning home via the cellular network wasn't really a threat, because that wouldn't be economical for the manufacturer for pay data service in any countries for all devices. |
| 09:02:13 | <mpeter|m> | but device to device 5G might change that. I think that won't have any network costs, because why would P2P communication have usage costs, and if your TV can connect once a day to someones phone who walks by on the street, or just the neighbour doesn't care about privacy at all and some of their devices are close enoguh, then your device isn't restricted by your control anymore. |
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| 14:02:38 | <Myself> | yup, ditto with amazon sidewalk. your best weapon is a soldering iron and a knowledge of RF circuitry. Which is not practical for most consumers. |
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| 19:13:28 | <Frogging101> | 5G just annoys me because of how stupid the hype is. Some providers actually faked the 5G icon just to trick consumers |
| 19:13:37 | <Frogging101> | so stupid |
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| 19:31:42 | <russss> | yeah a lot of 5G these days isn't actually 5G |
| 19:32:47 | <russss> | and 5G was actually meant to be 4G but mobile network operators decided to rebrand 3G LTE as 4G for marketing purposes |
| 19:36:00 | <russss> | as far as I know the 5G peer-to-peer relaying thing isn't actually being used anywhere yet, but I may be wrong. |
| 19:47:16 | <Frogging101> | the other thing I know about 5G is that whole 22mm band thing, a nearly useless band, but if it is used, it would fuck up weather satellites |
| 19:47:28 | <Frogging101> | and it's been approved for use |
| 19:48:16 | <Frogging101> | which I'm sure will lead to poorly filtered chinesium radiating into the part that weather satellites need to be noise-free |
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| 19:50:33 | <Frogging101> | correction: not "22mm band". I don't know the name for it, but it's 26GHz |
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| 19:51:31 | <Frogging101> | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/05/5g-networks-will-likely-interfere-with-us-weather-satellites-navy-warns/ |
| 19:51:56 | <Frogging101> | this says 24GHz, wikipedia says 26. whatever. in any case, this is what it's about |
| 19:52:19 | <Frogging101> | but Ajit Pai says it's fine https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/06/ajit-pai-says-noaa-and-nasa-are-wrong-about-5g-harming-weather-forecasts/ |
| 19:52:36 | <Frogging101> | and I trust Ajit Pai, he would never say anything incorrect |
| 19:52:38 | <Frogging101> | :) |
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| 21:24:10 | <mpeter|m> | yeah, but only until the devices decide to not boot if the antennaes or any hardware have been tampered with, _for security reasons_ |
| 21:26:11 | <mpeter|m> | I think it's bad enough if my hardware supports it. but then, with most smart devices I'll probably not know because I'm not in control, unless the manufacturer advertises the capability |
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| 21:27:47 | <mpeter|m> | you mean those that you buy and have an indoor screen and a wireless outdoor temperature sensor? or is it something else? |
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| 22:29:00 | <Frogging101> | The weather thing? No, the issue is that the satellites that measure water vapour by its resonant frequencies, which is important in weather prediction |
| 22:29:51 | <Frogging101> | if there's artificial noise in the same area of the spectrum, it drowns out the natural emissions that they try to measure |