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02:57:12<Larsenv>JAA: After Yahoo! Messenger was made, they made an invite-only Slack clone called Squirrel
02:57:24<Larsenv>I don't think it went anywhere
02:57:47<Larsenv>I heard it was nothing special
02:57:58<Larsenv>That was nearly 3 years ago
02:58:08<Larsenv>May 2018
02:58:08<@JAA>lol
02:59:41<@JAA>Oh huh, Messenger shut down a couple years ago.
03:00:43<@JAA>Squirrel was discontinued after less than a year. lol
03:01:16<@JAA>Released as Squirrel in May 2018, renamed to Yahoo! Together in October, shut down in April 2019.
03:03:57<Ryz>Who is the king of shutting down their stuff? Google? Or Yahoo?
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03:33:38<atphoenix>Ryz, IMO Yahoo, but they've shut so much down already that they're a shell of their former self that I think Google eventually will catch up and pass them.
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15:35:42<s209>looking for a way to mirror/backup a website hosted via cloudflare. Any advice/tips?
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15:36:57<@JAA>s209: Details? 'Hosted via Cloudflare' doesn't say much.
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15:38:14<s209>fanfiction.net
15:39:25<s209>tried httrack, didn't work :(
15:56:23<murmur>s209: not investigated this in any detail, but it might actually be easier to just contact the site owners directly and ask for a dump/mirror?
15:56:43<@JAA>What 'didn't work'?
15:56:48<@JAA>I don't see a JS challenge, FWIW.
15:57:07<@JAA>Also, there is already at least one fanfiction.net mirror on IA I believe.
16:05:42<Aoede>browser works for me, but copy-as-curl gets a captcha for some reason
16:06:43<SCSi>user agent parsing?
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16:26:06<Doranwen>ah, the fun of my 'net connection: "waiting for available socket"
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16:56:47<@HCross>Doranwen: if you're connecting to anything in the EU, there are big issues in London at the moment
17:14:40<Doranwen>oh, interesting - I don't *think* it was an EU site - the organization is very much US-based, but who knows
17:14:45<Doranwen>my connection is problematic on the best of days
17:15:02<Doranwen>it's like any new connection being established, you never know if it will actually establish
17:15:17<Doranwen>so I have to refresh websites over and over till it grabs it that time
17:15:52<Doranwen>we are waiting for the cable company to actually get the digging done so we'll get cable, but until then, we're still limping along with this
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17:19:37<@kiska>Guessing satellite?
17:19:45<@kiska>I kinda forgot what you used :D
17:21:08<atphoenix>T-Mobile Home Internet, IIRC
17:21:20<atphoenix>with trees
17:24:51<Doranwen>lol yes
17:25:19<Doranwen>it's the only thing we could do *without* paying for a satellite contract and all of that - and we were determined to get cable, which is happening… whenever the cable company gets to digging
17:25:33<Doranwen>I think they wouldn't want to put it off, though - the sooner they connect us, the sooner they get us as paying customers
17:25:42<Doranwen>and they *have* agreed to do it
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17:31:47<Doranwen>in the meantime, I have the fun of spending 1-5 minutes to do something that I could've done in 15 seconds, had the 'net been reliable
17:32:22Doranwen has been trying for 10 minutes to do two simple things on two related pages on this one .org site
17:34:28<Doranwen>and then they suddenly both work, and then the connection goes wonky again - isn't it lovely? :P
17:39:28<atphoenix>be sure to tell your next realtor that home listings need to include information about actual observed Internet performance for the address. Speed, latency, packet loss, date, ISP name.
17:39:53<SCSi>yup
17:39:56<SCSi>all the internet options
17:39:56<Doranwen>the last people who lived here used DSL
17:40:40<Doranwen>but around here (and maybe other places), the DSL companies have a limited allowance of customers, and as soon as someone stops being their customer, someone else takes their spot, so it wasn't possible to just use the same service
17:40:59<Doranwen>and at first the T-Mobile Home Internet was just slow
17:41:06<Doranwen>the connection issues started up a couple weeks after that
17:41:21<atphoenix>My folks have DSL that is rotting. They're cutting that service real-soon-now as the price just hiked and service has been poor.
17:41:55<Doranwen>yeah, we didn't want DSL but if they'd allowed us to have a month-by-month option, we'd have taken it
17:42:00<Doranwen>just for the interim
17:42:12<Doranwen>the T-Mobile thing has really been our last resort
17:42:20<atphoenix>Good internet access is more important to me than stainless steel appliances. Also more important than a home with a second bathroom.
17:42:50<Doranwen>well, this place was perfect for my grandfather *and* within our price range, and I don't think anything else would've been - and we *thought* we were getting the cable too, they told us it was there
17:43:07<Doranwen>that's part of why they've agreed to pay for it to be connected to our house (and our neighbors' houses) without us having to pay for it
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17:51:05<Doranwen>but I am so fed up with the "unable to connect" message I get in browsers all the time
17:51:10<Doranwen>over. and over. and over.
18:04:39<Wayward>Won't be long before Starlink is happy to take you as a customer. If you're up for $99/mo billing
18:05:28<Wayward>I think they're already taking anybody if they're as far north as Montana or Wyoming
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19:45:11<atphoenix>On big projects: so while the Swiss can build a 35 mile long Gotthard Base Tunnel, and the Norwegians build a tunnel under a mountain for ships, lots of Americans have lousy Internet access options and no real competition between ISPs. Maybe Starlink will help the situation.
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20:25:01<SCSi>starlink is geolocked, which sorta sucks
20:25:08<SCSi>because i really want it at our hunting camp
20:46:56<Craigle>They sent me an email that I could sign up (and pay a $100 deposit) to get in line. It looks like the geolocked issue is more to do with which sets of satellites you are pointing at. It didn't seem like it would be a huge issue to contact them to move locations (assuming the new location has coverage). But they specifically state that it is meant
20:46:56<Craigle>to be fixed/mounted, and not really moved once installed
20:48:44<Craigle>I assume it's like the sattelite systems I've dealt with (as a client) in the Gulf. When the ship makes it's transit, it is pointing at one set of satellites, and once it crosses a line/reaches it's destination, the technician has to go up and point/re-peak the domes to hit the new set of satellites.
20:49:07<SCSi>prob this camp has no address
20:49:15<SCSi>its in a private owned island in BLM-land
20:51:12<Craigle>Yeah, I think once the service is open to the public you could probably work with them. Right now I think they are just using your address to calculate rough coordinates so they know which satellites you need to point at. But it should be trivial to give them coordinates and get the same information. Assuming they wanted to deal with the hassle.
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