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04:32:43<@kiska>Meanwhile I am going through a rural area going to Wollongong and I am getting -149dbm and 2400 baud
04:33:15<flashfire42>That means nothing to me except Wollongong lol
04:33:42<@kiska>I would upload something... Except I'd get not bandwidth
04:34:06<@kiska>I have no bars of 3G...
04:34:23<@kiska>But it is still sending/receiving enough data for me to talk here
04:36:09<Wayward>still, at 2400 baud you could download a pirated movie in 35 to 78 days.
04:36:20<@kiska>lol
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04:36:35<Wayward>good to know. Ham radio is still relevant!
04:40:26<@kiska>It's not even ham radio... That is UMTS...
04:42:25<Wayward>hmm, no wap.archive.org :(
04:42:33<@kiska>XD
04:44:47<@kiska>Finally I have returned to cellular reception!
04:48:36<@kiska>Also you've just reminded me to try and get auth working on Etherpad
04:56:20<@JAA>Heh
04:56:32<@JAA>Let's delay that until there aren't multiple people working on pads, maybe? :-P
05:02:40<Wayward>isn't that the point of Etherpad for multiple people to work on them? :P
05:04:58<@JAA>Wayward: Yes. kiska is talking about forcing people to set their nickname first, so that we don't have a bunch of anonymous edits.
05:05:17<@JAA>Etherpad doesn't seem to have an option for that.
05:05:46<Wayward>I never used it much since it doesn't/didn't support e2e crypto
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05:26:15<jut>What is #nodeping for?
05:26:52<jut>I can't find anything about in on the archiveteam website
05:27:40<OrIdow6>It monitors the status (mostly offline/error vs. online) of various online services and sends messages when it changes
05:30:40<@JAA>https://nodeping.com/
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07:41:48<atphoenix>Musk's The Hosting Company... Rates start at $42.69/month. That's basic speed. For higher grades of speed, you must pay more, either in dollars or maybe Gamestonks or Doge, but it'll be in multiples of the base rate. There is a slow offering too, called 'The Downer'. If you want mobile service, order the 'Tripping' package. If you need a really really big pipe, The Hosting Company will put you in touch with The Boring Company, and
07:41:51<atphoenix>with Tesla too, as everyone knows not to underestimate the bandwidth of a Cybertruck or Tesla Semi full of 512 GB microSD cards speeding through a dedicated tunnel.
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13:26:32<themadpro>So this went viral recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej0Kijd4_4Q
13:27:27<themadpro>Calling it now, YouTube's Community Tab might be due for replacement a year or two from now
13:27:51<themadpro>If you have any periodic crawlers, it's definitely worth scraping
13:28:14<themadpro>Grabbing things like poll results might be non-trivial so now is the time to be experimenting
13:33:46<Wayward>TL;DR. YouTube really wants creators to use the Community tab feature, and will reward you for doing so.
13:34:41<Wayward>I don't really see it as broken, and the channels I am subscribed to use it in a reasonable manner.
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17:38:20<skycherry>Hi, I'm wondering if anybody has the files from this group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PADDTricorderDevelopmentGroup
17:38:52<thuban>skycherry: you should ask in #yahoosucks
17:39:22<skycherry>thanks
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18:06:17<@JAA>kiska: Oh yeah, the 'catch up' thingy is also still broken.
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19:03:58<themadpro>Wayward: YouTube has a tendency to "reboot" broken features by replacing them with new ones
19:04:48<themadpro>Keep your eyes on @TeamYouTube, the fate of community captions was sealed in a day (even if excuses were found over the coming months)
19:05:24<themadpro>My hunch, and it is only that just a hunch
19:05:55<themadpro>Is that there will be an apology, YouTube will reduce effectiveness of the community tab, it'll fall into obscurity again, likely with the new stories feature becoming the main proponent
19:06:29<themadpro>And after a "the comments/polls weren't being used much anyway" announcement they might make it story-sharing-only
19:06:38<themadpro>Call it an educated guess
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20:01:47<Wayward>I noticed 2 new things today though. uBlock Origin stopped working on YouTube... I actually saw an ad today. Also, the current video doesn't stop playing when opening notifications and reading them (as it used to).
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21:47:11<Doranwen>my connection is slow enough that I just use a downloading site to download a copy of most videos I try to watch, lol - which I'm sure Youtube hates, but it does mean I never have to see the ads either…
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21:52:56<@JAA>mpv + youtube-dl
21:57:29<Wayward>why has mpv surpassed vlc in popularity? is the project being mismanaged?
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21:59:20<@JAA>I've never liked VLC, but maybe that's just me.
21:59:41<Wayward>Even when the only alternative to VLC was Windows Media Player?
21:59:54<Wayward>or Quicktime
22:00:30<Wayward>"Please upgrade to Quicktime Pro for $79.99 to enjoy full screen video."
22:00:34<@JAA>So you mean like 20 years ago?
22:00:52<Wayward>Yeah, it's been around for that long at least. And you did say 'never'.
22:01:06<@JAA>VLC was released in 2001.
22:01:42<@JAA>Also, you forgot about RealPlayer. :-)
22:01:43<Wayward>What have you liked before mpv?
22:02:01<Wayward>I was trying to avoid emotional turmoil.
22:02:13<@JAA>I used MPC-HC previously.
22:02:59<Wayward>Never tried it
22:03:31<@JAA>And before that, yeah, I used VLC. I didn't say I hadn't, just that I never liked it.
22:04:19<Wayward>What made it unlikable? Seems a huge 180 from my complete and utter adoration, borderlining arousal.
22:04:32<@JAA>Nowadays, I use mpv (or SMPlayer if I care for a graphical interface) for video and mostly mpd for audio.
22:05:26<@JAA>It's been so long since I switched that I genuinely don't remember.
22:05:33<Wayward>never had to mess with virus codec packs and settings. vlc always just worked, anywhere.
22:05:41<Barto>you know i'm old on the internet when i know what real player is
22:05:45<@JAA>That was 15+ years ago.
22:05:46<Barto>:-|
22:06:22<Barto>vlc is great, the UI simplicity is really nice.
22:06:26<@JAA>lol, apparently RealPlayer still exists. 'Windows: 20.0.2.304 (October 15, 2020; 3 months ago)'
22:06:30<Barto>:D
22:06:32<Barto>seriously?
22:06:45Wayward checks himself back into therapy.
22:07:37<Doranwen>oh, I remember RealPlayer!
22:07:46<Barto>seriously, why is windows still maintaining their media player when there's vlc...
22:08:01<Doranwen>I remember the rm format
22:08:11<Barto>just pay them in cones to get vlc in windows
22:08:15<Doranwen>boy, that is a flashback to older days
22:08:15<Wayward>Barto: probably business software using embedded api
22:08:23<Barto>Wayward: screw them
22:08:48<Barto>Wayward: and let me guess, those are the same clown that did the same with Internet explorer?
22:09:02<Wayward>yup
22:09:19<Barto>oh boy
22:10:21<Wayward>there's actually business software that will not run if Microsoft Excel is not installed. No, Libre Office will not substitute.
22:11:27<Wayward>(Intuit is a big offender here)
22:17:50<@JAA>Wayward: Just thought about it a bit. I think one reason why I left VLC at the time was that it didn't like high-bitrate x264 encodes or something along those lines. Don't remember the details, but I think it had something to do with GPU decoding, which VLC didn't support at all or only for the most common encoder settings or similar. MPC-HC was faring much better. Again, this was in 2007-ish (when
22:17:56<@JAA>MPC was forked to -HC), so the memories are hazy.
22:18:50<Wayward>i see
22:19:16<Wayward>I only ever used the very classic MPC which still played super obscure crap that VLC couldn't handle.
22:19:21<hexa->is mpc media player classic on windows?
22:19:50<@JAA>My love for mpv and mpd these days is probably founded in my general love for terminal stuff.
22:19:51<hexa->because I agree, that thing was great
22:20:01<@JAA>hexa-: Yeah, Media Player Classic and later the Home Cinema fork.
22:20:14<hexa->and superior keybind controls
22:20:18<hexa->so fast
22:20:33<Wayward>my mpc is "mplayerc.exe" 6.4.9.0 (2006) 5.42 MB
22:20:41<hexa->never saw the -HC fork, moved to linux before it appeared as it seems
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23:06:06<Wayward>Archivist's Paradox: "If only I had faster internet service." also, "If only I had more disk space."
23:09:47<@EggplantN>faster internet is easily achieved these days for us >_>
23:10:47<Wayward>If you don't live in the United States
23:12:04<Wayward>People in Mumbai have faster speeds than I do.
23:12:22<@EggplantN>Oh at home yeah. good luck
23:12:33<@EggplantN>At the DC you can get symmetric Gbit for $60@
23:12:37<@EggplantN>* $60~
23:13:31<@EggplantN>Or in my case I can get 10Gbit of IPv6 transit for $0/mo
23:13:43<Wayward>That's the other thing, they don't like to issue symmetric speeds to residents because "zomg piracy" oppressive copyright cabal.
23:15:10<@JAA>Haha torrents go brrrr
23:16:26<@EggplantN>Wayward: theres a much bigger/simpler reason
23:16:42<@EggplantN>Why symmetric with ISPs isn't as common
23:16:46<@EggplantN>That's because caching
23:17:03<Wayward>I have to operate at 20:1 speed ratio. any more upload and the download speed collapses
23:17:44<@EggplantN>Netflix, Google, Akamai and more have Cache nodes inside the ISP usually quite close to you. I'm in the UK. My ISP houses ours 1hr down the road, where all transit/rest of internet goes via London (6hrs away) and Manchester (2.5hrs away)
23:17:59<@EggplantN>NF/Goog/AK are inbound
23:18:05<@EggplantN>So data doesn't have as far to go
23:18:09<AK>Hmm?
23:18:14<AK>Lol
23:18:15<@EggplantN>FUCK
23:18:20<@EggplantN>get a real name
23:18:23<@EggplantN>./s
23:18:29<AK>It's fine, I don't mind, I also have "alex" set as a trigger so I get a lot of notifications lmao
23:19:13<@JAA>Do you have it case-insensitive as well to get random notifications in #archivebot? :-P
23:19:20<AK>Yep
23:19:27<@JAA>:-)
23:19:31<@EggplantN>i'm super tired anyway being dumb
23:19:35<@EggplantN>on redbull number 2
23:20:09<AK>Urgh I want faster internet
23:20:16<@EggplantN>virgin?
23:21:07<AK>Currently BT halo (fttp). So supposedly 350
23:21:21<@EggplantN>Ah virgin here. Soon Gbit DOCSIS
23:21:23<AK>But the guarantee is 100 plus and we tend to sit there or 150
23:21:28<Doranwen>I would just like decent Internet, period
23:21:42<Doranwen>the cable goes to the neighbor on the other side of our creek, but not us
23:21:49<AK>I was in Southampton for a year, and "toob" brought out their 1gig lines, but I didn't manage to get it before I moved out
23:21:55<@EggplantN>I can't wait for VM to go DOCSIS 3.1 on upload speeds also
23:21:56<@EggplantN>ha
23:21:59<@EggplantN>aren't toob like
23:22:00<@EggplantN>shit
23:22:04<Doranwen>and we're in something of a cellular dead spot (all our phones are living on the kitchen counter in the one spot where they can get a little service)
23:23:44<billy549>I'd like VM to give us SH4s
23:24:00<billy549>we're a completely new build area, and yet we're still DOCSIS 3.0 and SH3
23:24:32<billy549>and it's really annoying because I'd love to do IPv6 (cause SH3s struggle with v6 tunnel and FRITZ!Box doesnt have a way to use VPN for just v6)
23:29:19<@EggplantN>isnt SH4 mandatory with docsis 3.1?
23:29:33<@EggplantN>also billy549 i thought you could request one free
23:29:41<@EggplantN>just claim the intel chipset bug
23:30:46<billy549>I'd have to be the billpayer to request one
23:30:58<billy549>I'd love to just email them, but there's no way to "just" email
23:32:22<billy549>and they make it purposefully hard to contact i swear
23:34:24<@EggplantN>Ah I've had to pretend to be bill payer so many times for grand parents. An 82yr old dealing with Virgin/Sky/BT or even insurance is just a disaster. Systems are setup to scam them
23:35:21<billy549>i cant because i dont sound like my mother, surprisingly
23:35:28<@EggplantN>Urm
23:35:32<billy549>one day im gonna just say "call them up and ask if i can speak to them, say youre bill payer and i wanna speak" :P
23:35:32<@EggplantN>I mean this genuinely
23:35:41<@EggplantN>***that doesn't matter*** as long as you have their permission
23:35:46<billy549>Yes, but you have to get their permission
23:35:55<billy549>i used to do it when i was like 7, but it's getting your parents to CALL first
23:36:03<@EggplantN>mum does it loads for me
23:36:18<@EggplantN>"hey T you know what a megabit is right? Can you deal with them"
23:36:26<billy549>i wanna start a new contract anyway, theyre giving 500Mbit for <£40/month and we're paying £60/month for 350Mbit with a phone line we've NEVER used (bc it was cheaper)
23:36:36<billy549>and im gonna complain a little because there's no way to remove said phone line from the package
23:36:41<billy549>without calling them, which they say dont do bc of covid
23:38:44<@EggplantN>yeah the phone line shit in the UK is bull crap
23:38:51<billy549>it's not even the usual shit
23:39:02<billy549>cause it's virgin so we paid for the phone line bc £38/month for 350Mbit, £50/month without
23:39:10<billy549>*for 350mbit + phone line (even tho it's digital)
23:39:23<billy549>and i dont think they give you a hub 4 unless you're in a hub 4 area, because "the hub doesnt work with ipv6" probably won't make them change their mind and you cant just go and buy a Hub 4 on eBay
23:39:34<billy549>it's infuriating, I only want my modern IPv6 please Virgin Media it's 2021 not 2001
23:40:31<@EggplantN>v6 is rolled out?
23:40:32<@EggplantN>o.O
23:40:33<billy549>No
23:40:37<@EggplantN>oh lol
23:40:42<billy549>they haven't done it, and you cant use a tunnel when you have a Hub 3
23:40:44<@EggplantN>dont VM limit tunnels?
23:40:46<@EggplantN>ah yes
23:40:51<billy549>not on /purpose/ i think honestly
23:41:02<billy549>i think it's just the Hub 3 is awful at its job, because anyone with a Hub 4 has no issue
23:41:15<@EggplantN>https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/08/virgin-media-uk-move-to-fix-20mbps-speed-cap-on-ipv6-tunnels.html
23:41:20<@EggplantN>I remember reading this
23:41:28<billy549>they moved to fix it in August, i bet you there'd still be that limit right now
23:41:32<@EggplantN>Considered using Wireguard instead for you tunnels?
23:41:46<billy549>I'd like to have it network-wide, and FRITZ!Box doesnt support using Wireguard for tunnels
23:41:52<billy549>Which i emailed nicely about
23:42:02<billy549>my area SHOULD have Gbit now, they literally cabled it in 2019? we have the new fibre lines bla bla, and we're next to major cities
23:42:33<billy549>it's just like the govt is barely helping out students with internet problems in the pandemic rn, if you're >16 you get NO support at all which is fun
23:42:44<@EggplantN>are you HTTP with RFoG?
23:42:46<@EggplantN>or coax?
23:42:51<billy549>uH
23:42:56<billy549>not coax
23:43:00<@EggplantN>you're fiber?
23:43:01<billy549>ye
23:43:08<@EggplantN>ok so you're running RFoG
23:43:10<billy549>new installation, green microducts yadayada
23:43:11<@EggplantN>(cheers virgin)
23:43:25<@EggplantN>am actually jealous
23:43:25<billy549>media converter to coax from fibre on in the Omnibox outside
23:43:30<@EggplantN>yep
23:43:30<billy549>it's still 350/35 :^)
23:43:42<@EggplantN>because RFoG. Radio Frequecy over Glass
23:43:43<@EggplantN>aka
23:43:47<@EggplantN>DOCSIS over Fiber
23:44:43<billy549>Oh great
23:44:44<billy549>love that for me
23:44:48<billy549>so it's a CABLE standard over fibre
23:44:53<billy549>how many layers are we now
23:45:02<@EggplantN>too many
23:45:13<billy549>Yeah I can do 6RD or 6in4 on my router directly
23:45:14<@EggplantN>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency_over_glass
23:45:26<billy549>god virgin why
23:45:47<billy549>also they better just have some choke point in their network, if they in 2019 installed non-Gbit class hardware they deserve the mess they own
23:46:09<billy549>even the big grey power boxes are nearby so like they need to figure smth out
23:46:31<billy549>then you go to france and it's your home internet will have v6 but your 4G wont (it does now, but it didnt when I was there in August)
23:46:32<@EggplantN>yeah virgin is a mess
23:46:43<billy549>but then they're also one of the better ISPs, BT was overcharging us for years with awful internet
23:46:59<billy549>you basically need to live in a big city or somehow get lucky
23:47:13<billy549>I just want Gbit symmetric, IPv4+IPv6 - no phone line, no TV, and ideally <£50/month
23:47:20<billy549>i'll even take 500 symmetric at this point
23:47:56<billy549>EggplantN: i've considered v6 over Wireguard before but it's just like
23:48:14<billy549>I'd like everything in the house to get v6, incl the PS4 and Xbox One in the house yadayada
23:49:52<@EggplantN>You not got CityFiber soon(tm)?
23:50:13<billy549>Not in a city
23:50:34<@EggplantN>eh their deployment strat is
23:50:45<billy549>what's command to dm again on IRC
23:50:45<@EggplantN>"we've got 50 million, where we dropping boys"
23:50:50<billy549>i forget bc it's late
23:50:52<billy549>msg?
23:51:01<@EggplantN>that worked
23:51:04<@EggplantN>:P
23:51:07<billy549>Good c:

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