| 00:04:03 | <@EggplantN> | yeah JAA |
| 00:04:11 | <@EggplantN> | those ad campaigns are good |
| 00:04:21 | <@JAA> | (From #archivebot) |
| 00:05:09 | <@JAA> | Someone's trying to buy ad space on the NASDAQ billboard. lol |
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| 00:11:24 | <@JAA> | I also liked the 'suck my nuts robinhood' banner that was flown in the Bay Area and circled around their HQ. https://i.redd.it/kujn2ymlfie61.jpg |
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| 03:09:46 | <aleph> | Eyep. Pretty funny stuff |
| 03:11:53 | <atphoenix> | Those banners and ads are clearly the work of the 'Sugondese'. They're a nutty bunch. |
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| 03:58:45 | <atphoenix> | so....I do not like the new Reddit UI....but I also do not like the endless animated scrolling graphics on top of https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/ |
| 04:01:29 | <@JAA> | Disable subreddit styles :-) |
| 04:01:45 | <@JAA> | I think that's even in standard old Reddit, but if not, RES. |
| 04:02:06 | <atphoenix> | what do I use to disable styles? |
| 04:02:18 | <atphoenix> | I guess I could do some research... |
| 04:02:44 | <@JAA> | Looks like it's a profile option, maybe. |
| 04:02:46 | <Wayward> | Easy to delete with the popular browser extension uBlock Origin |
| 04:03:08 | <@JAA> | Reddit Enhancement Suite adds a checkbox in the sidebar and can also add a button to the browser toolbar if desired. |
| 04:03:17 | <Wayward> | just right-click the scrolling image, select Block Element |
| 04:03:30 | <@JAA> | So you can control it on a per-subreddit basis etc. |
| 04:06:32 | <Wayward> | dang, they're up to 7.2 million subs now |
| 04:07:06 | <@JAA> | I wonder how many doms they have. :-) |
| 04:08:01 | <atphoenix> | thank fyou for the Reddit Enhancement Suite tip. scroller is now killed. |
| 04:08:13 | <atphoenix> | thank you* |
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| 04:11:46 | <atphoenix> | wsb subscriber count goes brrrrrrrrr. I see the Streisand effect taking place. |
| 04:12:32 | <@JAA> | I'd love to know how many shares are held by WSB subscribers/readers. |
| 04:12:36 | <atphoenix> | I mean, from the perspective of the stock shorts, we have a Streisand effect |
| 04:13:04 | <atphoenix> | as there is more coverage...more of the public will hear about it... |
| 04:13:46 | <atphoenix> | which in turn could make harder for the remaining shorts |
| 04:13:50 | <@JAA> | It's probably irrelevant compared to the large funds like BlackRock, Vanguard, Fidelity, etc. But they benefit from the publicity and the squeeze, so why would they do anything about it? |
| 04:14:33 | <atphoenix> | I am sure that some of the large funds have ridden this upwards. But not all. |
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| 04:16:02 | <@JAA> | Yeah, the ones that will be hit when Citadel, Melvin, etc. go bankrupt likely said 'alright, this is enough' at some point. |
| 04:16:09 | <@JAA> | But at 140 % short... |
| 04:17:08 | <atphoenix> | I tend to think shorting is not a reasonable practice. It's a bet to fail. If you don't believe in a company...don't buy it. Or sell it if you have lost faith in it. |
| 04:19:36 | <Wayward> | It'll be interesting to see if any of these lawsuits against Citadel and Robinhood stick, since Citadel gave a $2 Bn bailout to Melvin, giving them a vested interest in Melvin, and then they block buying (only allowing selling) through Robinhood. |
| 04:19:53 | <Wayward> | That's pretty crooked in my book. |
| 04:20:14 | <atphoenix> | having installed RES...I looked for something for YT....and of course YES is a thing: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-enhancement-suite/glemnkobkfifhjpmebpoafilpkmamhoj |
| 04:20:32 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: I thought the same. Someone pointed out though that shorting gives an incentive to hold companies accountable for lying about their condition. Since by looking into companies financials in detail, you can possibly find out that they're not doing as well as they claim and then expose that. Without being able to benefit from that, there may be fewer people willing to do that. Now I'm not sure |
| 04:20:38 | <@JAA> | what to think. |
| 04:21:27 | <thuban> | JAA: my father is an arbitrageur. shorting is good. |
| 04:21:58 | <Wayward> | I think one of the points about Shorting is that it doesn't actually affect the stock price, because no buy/sell has taken place, so no orders are gobbled up. |
| 04:22:00 | <atphoenix> | Wayward, blocking and limiting purchases but allowing sales is sleazy. Changing the rules on the fly is sleazy. |
| 04:23:00 | <@JAA> | Wayward: Eh, a sell does take place on shorting? You're lending shares to sell them and later buy them back. (I bet there are other ways of achieving a short, but that's at least a common way.) |
| 04:23:11 | <Wayward> | atphoenix: but now it's up to the courts to determine if it's illegal since Citadel-Robinhood had a direct financial interest in preventing Melvin Capitol from losing any more money |
| 04:23:20 | <@kiska> | I can get the blocking and limiting purchases, but RH going out of their way to sell shares of their users is a big no go |
| 04:23:54 | <@JAA> | thuban: I certainly see some benefits to it, yeah. But shorting to 250 %? That seems very wrong. |
| 04:24:07 | <Wayward> | JAA: I don't know. I understood that no actual shares trade hands in that 'order'. |
| 04:24:10 | <Wayward> | only later on |
| 04:24:26 | <Wayward> | part of the point being that you don't fluctuate the stock's price by your actions. |
| 04:24:27 | <@kiska> | Meanwhile did my target just finish having a lay down? :D |
| 04:24:40 | <atphoenix> | I do not accept the assymetric changes to transaction rules. Nor the differential treatment of retail vs other customers. Same rules for all. Same rules for buy/sell. |
| 04:24:42 | <@kiska> | https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/023ecb9702c981e3/image.png :D |
| 04:25:18 | <@kiska> | I think I read somewhere that SEC is going to protect retail investors? |
| 04:25:40 | <Wayward> | make all customers retail customers. done. |
| 04:25:45 | <@kiska> | :D |
| 04:25:48 | <@JAA> | Wayward: Well yeah, you can short with options. But the usual way is to lend shares from a shareholder, sell them, wait until the price has hopefully fallen, then buy them back and return them to the lender. You have a contract with the lender, which may include having to return the shares by some date. |
| 04:26:05 | <atphoenix> | kiska, as the image as loading I thought you were linking your GME position, and hopeful you were hitting it big like DFV... |
| 04:26:13 | <atphoenix> | image *was loading |
| 04:26:16 | <@kiska> | :D |
| 04:26:23 | <@kiska> | I don't have positions at all :D |
| 04:26:51 | <@JAA> | Maybe IA gets another Pineapple Fund-like donation. |
| 04:27:38 | <@kiska> | Wish I had some GME positions before the meteoric increase :D |
| 04:27:46 | <Wayward> | Maybe Elon Musk starts his own brokerage |
| 04:28:03 | <Wayward> | "Stonkhood" |
| 04:28:37 | <atphoenix> | kiska: don't we all. I wish I had looked into it when Ryz did an archive about a week before it really shot up |
| 04:28:40 | <thuban> | JAA: i mean, in this case, it was a clear error. but--although i don't wish to name names--there are cases of 100+% of shares being shorted in stocks which were artificially high (as shown by derivatives, hence the arbitrage), and this being a legitimate market correction. |
| 04:29:34 | <@kiska> | > market correction |
| 04:29:35 | <@kiska> | Hedge funds: no no no |
| 04:29:54 | <@JAA> | Well, define 'artificially high' then. The value of the stock hasn't really been related to the company prospects for many years. |
| 04:30:02 | <atphoenix> | that was 1/22 |
| 04:30:30 | <@kiska> | JAA: oh btw it looks like I am looking at another rsync target SSD replacement soon |
| 04:30:40 | <@JAA> | F |
| 04:30:49 | <@kiska> | After... 4 days |
| 04:30:54 | <@JAA> | lol |
| 04:30:59 | <@JAA> | Did they put in old SSDs? |
| 04:31:13 | <@kiska> | No they gave me SSDs with 30TB written to them |
| 04:31:18 | <@kiska> | So practically new |
| 04:32:05 | <@JAA> | And now they're at 300? |
| 04:32:12 | <atphoenix> | kiska needs giant RAM disks. That'll solve the wear out problem. |
| 04:32:16 | <@kiska> | Or this is the result of the SLC cache running out and the controller is like "stop writing pls" |
| 04:32:35 | <@JAA> | Also, prior runtime? |
| 04:33:00 | <@kiska> | I am not sure cause I just switched to using ZFS |
| 04:33:14 | <@kiska> | I would hazard a guess similar |
| 04:33:20 | <@JAA> | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 6 |
| 04:33:24 | <@JAA> | lol |
| 04:33:26 | <@JAA> | This SSD has been in use for years. |
| 04:33:27 | <@kiska> | :D |
| 04:33:35 | <@JAA> | So reliable. |
| 04:33:35 | <Wayward> | maybe heat death? |
| 04:33:36 | <thuban> | JAA: in e.g. reorganization cases shares of one stock can be transformed into shares of another. if they're trading at different values at the deadline... |
| 04:33:43 | <@kiska> | > Power On Hours: 101 |
| 04:33:55 | <@kiska> | > Power On Hours: 7,247 |
| 04:34:02 | <@kiska> | > Power On Hours: 773 |
| 04:35:06 | <@kiska> | This drive has no problems that I can tell |
| 04:35:06 | <@kiska> | > Data Units Written: 48,111,228 [24.6 TB] |
| 04:35:23 | <@kiska> | This drive is now doing > 1ms avg writes to the disk |
| 04:35:23 | <@kiska> | > Data Units Written: 132,511,429 [67.8 TB] |
| 04:36:01 | <@kiska> | This drive is acting like the second drive where its starting to be > 1ms writes |
| 04:36:01 | <@kiska> | > Data Units Written: 108,051,205 [55.3 TB] |
| 04:36:27 | <thuban> | oof |
| 04:37:01 | <@kiska> | I just don't understand why the GME is doing >1600+% increase, only that I can see reddit wanting for these hedge funds to pay? |
| 04:38:03 | <Wayward> | Because Melvin promised to pay everyone out |
| 04:38:08 | <Wayward> | Can't lose |
| 04:38:11 | <@JAA> | thuban: Right. I mean, stock price *should* absolutely relate to the actual company value. I'm just saying that it often doesn't really nowadays. It's effectively raw supply/demand dynamics where the price at any moment is determined by what someone's willing to pay. |
| 04:38:29 | <@JAA> | And that willingness isn't really coupled to the fundamentals anymore. |
| 04:41:22 | <thuban> | JAA: i mean, that is the literal definition of price. i certainly agree that predicting valuation is a difficult, complex, and obscure problem... but if you've got a better method than the market, there are a lot of leftists who would love to hear about it |
| 04:41:28 | <@kiska> | Was also gonna say did some people in the GFC short stuff? |
| 04:41:32 | <@JAA> | kiska: Hedge funds took a massive risk by shorting the stock heavily, thinking GameStop is declining (which it probably is overall, digital gaming and all that). Others noticed and started mass-buying and holding shares. Now the hedge funds are trying to return shares to their lenders, i.e. they have to buy them back (or pay interest rates based on the stock price until they do). But because $GME was |
| 04:41:37 | <Wayward> | I think part of it is the community swearing on their parents' graves that they won't sell, but hold to the bitter end. |
| 04:41:38 | <@JAA> | shorted so heavily and then bought up and is being held, the price went up massively. They're bleeding money, and the longer the current shareholders keep their shares, the closer they get to bankruptcy. In theory, they could have infinite losses. |
| 04:42:04 | <Wayward> | So now you have 7.2 million new members to this reddit sub, and only 2 shares of stock that anyone is willing to buy and sell, with all the rest being hoarded by iron will |
| 04:42:36 | <@kiska> | I see.... |
| 04:43:11 | <@kiska> | Isn't the interest rate like 23%... and tied to the current value of the stock? |
| 04:43:12 | <Wayward> | There's even a sea shanty singing of holding GME stock |
| 04:43:31 | <Wayward> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPmR4aNgkA |
| 04:43:44 | <@kiska> | So you know normal credit card interest rates |
| 04:43:46 | <atphoenix> | kiska, what is GFC? a typo? |
| 04:43:56 | <@kiska> | Global Financial Crisis |
| 04:44:03 | <atphoenix> | ah ok |
| 04:44:15 | <thuban> | (^ yhe melody used is "wellerman", for the curious) |
| 04:44:17 | <thuban> | (*the) |
| 04:44:20 | <@kiska> | I just know of that as GFC |
| 04:45:35 | <Wayward> | (diamond hands means having the nerve not to sell) |
| 04:45:54 | <@kiska> | That event I know of is Australia didn't go into recession :D |
| 04:46:16 | <atphoenix> | ^ytdl goes brrrrrr on that vid |
| 04:47:14 | <Wayward> | https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/GSM-billboard-3.jpg |
| 04:47:49 | <Wayward> | https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/GSM-billboard-2.jpg |
| 04:48:22 | <thuban> | this is the best performance art i've seen in years :| |
| 04:48:30 | <Wayward> | Apparently it only costs $18 for 1 hour of billboard in timesquare |
| 04:48:40 | <@kiska> | rlly? |
| 04:49:03 | <Wayward> | https://nypost.com/2021/01/30/redditors-buy-times-square-billboard-as-gamestop-stock-saga-rages/ |
| 04:49:48 | <@kiska> | I am now imagining that reddit is singing "Don't rain on my parade" :D |
| 04:51:37 | <atphoenix> | $18 seems really cheap, but I have no context to know billboard pricing |
| 04:52:00 | <Wayward> | I don't even know how many humans can be found in timesquare these days |
| 04:52:17 | <atphoenix> | that's true |
| 04:52:34 | <atphoenix> | there is a video of the timesquare billboard here https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l8rf4k/times_square_right_now/ |
| 04:53:00 | <@kiska> | I'd imagine advertising costs are reduced due to the current world events happening right now |
| 04:53:13 | <@kiska> | I don't think there are many people roaming out of their homes :D |
| 04:54:12 | <@JAA> | kiska: Well, interest fees vary of course, and we won't know the current rates of each shorter until in over a week. But yeah, the interest is tied to the stock price. Which is why they're so fucked. The interest has gone up like 100-fold because the stock price went from $10 to $300 and the interest rates went up as well I think. |
| 04:54:53 | <atphoenix> | I wonder how much electricity costs are for large billboards |
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| 04:55:06 | <@kiska> | I'd imagine GME won't stay at $200+ for like the next month |
| 04:55:24 | <@JAA> | And then they decided to short it to 250 % because that was their attempt to recover from it. |
| 04:55:31 | <@kiska> | lol |
| 04:55:43 | <@JAA> | And because they colluded with the brokers (Robinhood & Co.), it worked to some degree as well. |
| 04:55:48 | <atphoenix> | wait, what? they INCREASED their short position? |
| 04:56:14 | <@JAA> | Yeah, just before blocking buys on the platforms. Everything's absolutely normal, nothing to see here. :-) |
| 04:56:15 | <@kiska> | I'd imagine they got some shares sold it for $300+ and then after RH restricted it they made some money |
| 04:57:44 | <@JAA> | kiska: Well, impossible to say what happens in the next month. The price could shoot to thousands of dollars or collapse on Monday. All depends on what the shareholders do, how much more money the shorters have, what their brokers and the brokers' banks do, etc. |
| 04:58:00 | <Wayward> | We need to elect some politicians from Iceland. They're the only country that put bankers into prison for the 2008 world financial crisis. Still in there to this day. |
| 04:58:15 | <atphoenix> | as in the original short positions were something like borrow at $10 , hope to buy back at $5, and probably the new shorts are like borrow at $200, buy back at $100 |
| 04:58:17 | <@kiska> | GFC version 3 electric boogaloo? |
| 04:59:16 | <@JAA> | Wayward: Yeah, and the only place where something happened after the Panama Paper release. |
| 04:59:23 | <@JAA> | Well, something positive. |
| 05:00:32 | <Wayward> | I don't mean to start any consperacy theories about Iceland and bankers... but "In 2011, Iceland's parliament was the first country in Western Europe to recognize a Palestinian state" |
| 05:00:48 | <Wayward> | They don't take too kindly to Israel |
| 05:01:45 | <@JAA> | ^ How to turn an economics discussion into an Israel discussion in one message. |
| 05:01:51 | | @JAA heads out. |
| 05:01:54 | <Wayward> | =^_^= |
| 05:01:55 | <@kiska> | lol |
| 05:01:55 | <thuban> | ._. |
| 05:01:59 | | thuban samesies |
| 05:04:49 | <@kiska> | > .. is able to make extensive use of more complex trading, portfolio-construction and risk management techniques to improve performance... |
| 05:04:49 | <@kiska> | :D |
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| 05:08:36 | <atphoenix> | Wayward: I guess we are probably now also only a few steps away from proving Godwin's Law once again. |
| 05:09:04 | <Wayward> | I would never betray Godwin! |
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| 05:31:31 | <Doranwen> | ROFL, so remember the spelling error in Discovery Spell I noted the other day? found a genuine TYPO in it |
| 05:31:40 | <Doranwen> | apparently "receiver" is properly spelled "recei7ver" |
| 05:32:18 | | Doranwen wonders if there's somewhere to report these - not for correction, obviously, but a "ha, found these in the game" |
| 05:34:02 | <thuban> | Doranwen: http://hol.abime.net/3821 |
| 05:35:32 | <thuban> | i think warnings about wrong answers would qualify as hints (which HoL files under cheatcodes for some reason) |
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| 05:41:10 | <Doranwen> | I'm assuming that version is no different than the one that comes with all four in one (I'm playing off an adf file that has Discovery Trivia, Math, Spell, and Science) |
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| 05:42:17 | <atphoenix> | depending on the source image...some of these glitches might be corruption in the captured ADF |
| 05:42:29 | <thuban> | looks like maybe the rip you have is more than one (but not all) of the data disks? http://hol.abime.net/363 |
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| 05:45:04 | <thuban> | atphoenix: good point. but i find the addition of a character (as opposed to a change in a character) more plausible as a typo than as a bad rip, and the other error Doranwen's mentioned (separate -> seperate) is a plausible spelling error |
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| 05:45:54 | <thuban> | oh man that's a great cover |
| 05:48:09 | <Doranwen> | also interesting, the three that I'm missing are all missing vast amounts of info on there |
| 05:51:04 | <Doranwen> | the four I do have have good info on them |
| 05:54:38 | <Doranwen> | so I wonder if they ever properly released those three, or maybe just not very widely |
| 05:55:03 | <Doranwen> | welp, their contact page doesn't work |
| 05:55:04 | <Doranwen> | "Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Class 'PHPMailer\PHPMailer\Exception' not found in /var/www/hol/class.phpmailer.php:2032" |
| 05:55:08 | <thuban> | or maybe only four got ripped and widely pirated |
| 05:55:10 | <thuban> | lol |
| 05:55:12 | <Doranwen> | LOL there is that |
| 05:58:09 | <thuban> | (related https://nitter.net/Foone/status/1321523515745431552) |
| 06:01:55 | <Doranwen> | hee, interesting |
| 06:02:08 | <Doranwen> | I was just young enough that I played Oregon Trail II on the PC but never the first one |
| 06:02:23 | <Doranwen> | I only encountered the first one as an adult when seeing it on abandonware sites and stuff |
| 06:02:30 | <Doranwen> | but I played II sooooooo many times |
| 06:02:53 | <Doranwen> | my tutoring students loved it, too, would play it a bunch waiting for their parents to come pick them up |
| 06:04:28 | <Doranwen> | actually, I have no idea if it was around or not when I was a kid, I remember some really old games for probably some Apple computer in my second elementary classroom (I went to a lot of tiny private schools with multiple grades in a room, so my memories are divided less by "this grade" and more "this classroom"), but I don't remember much about them |
| 06:05:23 | <thuban> | i have a soft spot for the "deluxe" edition myself. such pretty bright pixel art |
| 06:06:52 | <Doranwen> | we had the Amiga games, and there was a period of time when we had a PC but not hardly any games for it, and my brother and I played the Amiga games while my parents did office-y things on the PC - and then they started to get the occasional game here and there for it, and eventually the Amiga was put away and was only got out the one time when my friend transferred disk copies of some of the games and programs I hadn't found adf files of |
| 06:07:33 | | Doranwen always did wonder who composed the music tracks that were on their version of Sonix |
| 06:07:46 | <Doranwen> | primitive music-writing software, but it worked and it was fun to play with |
| 06:09:34 | <Wayward> | We had Oregon Trail and Math Blaster on our Apple IIe at school |
| 06:09:57 | <Doranwen> | what I found interesting in retrospect was that a few of the "instruments" were "ytv" with a number following it - and when you added them to the score, what played was a snippet of pop-like song, as best as it could render the sound… took me years after Google came along to remember it, recall enough of the words to do a search… and find that it was actually the chorus from "You're the Voice" by John Farnham |
| 06:10:40 | <Doranwen> | the different numbers corresponded to different pitches of the song |
| 06:10:56 | <Doranwen> | so you could make it sing ridiculously high |
| 06:10:58 | <Doranwen> | or something like that |
| 06:11:01 | <Doranwen> | so bizarre |
| 06:11:11 | <Doranwen> | like, who put that in? |
| 06:13:07 | <thuban> | "This isn't actually an Oregon Trail game, but is a tribute created by the state of Oregon's tourism department, aimed at highlighting the joys of modern day Oregon. Rather than oxen, bullets, and wagon wheels, your supplies include craft beers, kombucha, and snow chains. You play as a tourist freshly arrived in Oregon, looking to take in the sights of Portland, Mt. Hood, the |
| 06:13:09 | <thuban> | Willamette Valley, and more. I played as a yoga teacher named Dakota, and was offered some free beers in exchange for working the door and checking IDs. Being from the UK, I immediately let a 19-year-old inside and was promptly fired. It's an educational game all right." |
| 06:13:43 | <Doranwen> | LOL |
| 06:15:37 | <Wayward> | can you die of covid? |
| 06:16:22 | <thuban> | came out 2017, so i would be surprised |
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| 12:48:03 | <user777> | what was the other apple ][ game, haunted house? line draw graphics and a text dialog at the bottom? |
| 12:49:20 | <user777> | iirc you landed in a room with a dagger on the ground, and next thing you knew, you were stabbed |
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| 18:02:19 | <atphoenix> | thuban: I'm a bit lost. What is a great cover? Maybe I missed the message you are replying too? Also was the quote "This isn't actually an Oregon Trail game" in reply to another message or link? It appears to be from https://www.pcgamer.com/every-version-of-the-oregon-trail-ranked/ |
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| 19:45:14 | <thuban> | user777: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_House, i presume |
| 19:45:45 | <thuban> | atphoenix: the cover of _discovery_ |
| 19:46:14 | <thuban> | & no, not a reply, just an amusing anecdote i fond while reading on a related topic |
| 19:50:43 | <atphoenix> | thanks for clarifying :) |
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| 19:53:05 | <thuban> | *found |
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| 22:02:25 | <@JAA> | lol, AWS S3 doesn't even have IPv6. |
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| 22:04:01 | <@JAA> | Or well, at least s3.amazonaws.com doesn't. Instead, there are region-specific domains of s3.dualstack.REGION.amazonaws.com. Yeah, that's cool. WTF? |
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| 22:13:10 | <Wayward> | With a $10 Bn budget, how long should it take before Musk unveils his fully functioning competative service to AWS? |
| 22:14:12 | <Wayward> | The Hosting Company (THC) |
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| 22:35:27 | <@JAA> | lol |
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| 22:50:45 | <crispyalice2> | Knowing musk, 1 mill would go towards cheap out almost broken servers, and the rest would be funneled away somewhere so he could get more child cobalt miners. |
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