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| 02:32:43 | <atphoenix> | looks like Google had another outage today affecting Gmail https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&sid=1&iid=a8b67908fadee664c68c240ff9f529ab |
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| 05:37:04 | <@kiska> | RIP |
| 06:38:37 | <atphoenix> | there may also be some other weirdness going on with Gmail. I took a peak at my IMAP settings in the Gmail WebUI and it showed IMAP was disabled, yet Thunderbird is still downloading messages from that account via IMAP. |
| 06:43:19 | <atphoenix> | I should have found this first. https://support.google.com/mail/thread/9769946?hl=en I'm using OAuth2 with Thunderbird. |
| 06:43:43 | <atphoenix> | thus the reason the IMAP option can be turned off |
| 06:54:58 | <@kiska> | So.... who likes spiders? https://www.facebook.com/katie.gompertz/posts/10164416554765277 |
| 07:29:17 | <Doranwen> | LOL oh dear |
| 07:32:06 | <@kiska> | So who likes spiders? I think I have a couple in my room LD |
| 07:32:08 | <@kiska> | :D* |
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| 09:13:21 | <atphoenix> | Upon hearing spiders mentioned, and also being in relation to Australia, brings this OpenWRT derivative project to mind: "The ROOter Project was created to allow the use of USB Cellular modems in routers that don't have this capability using factory firmware. The project produces new firmware on a regular basis that allows you to update your router for better support of USB modems and to add new router related features. |
| 09:13:21 | <atphoenix> | Even though ROOter is an international project, with contributions from all over the world, it is mainly a Canadian/Australian collaboration and shows its roots on an Australian forum. The ROOter name was chosen to reflect this and the versions of the firmware have been named after something Australia is famous for, poisonous spiders." http://ofmodemsandmen.com/about.html |
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| 10:38:44 | <honno> | For a collections of WARCs run via pywb, is it typical that GET requesting javascript files will bottleneck loading times? |
| 10:39:51 | <honno> | I'm wondering if I can tell pywb to just not get request these js files, and things would run much smoother |
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| 14:24:33 | <honno> | Yesterday I posted about a lag issue with replaying a warc collection and someone helpfully pointed me to use profiling. I still haven't fixed it but have pinpointed where the bottlenecks are at least. If anyone has experience of optimising pywb replays for web scraping purposes, I'd be eternally grateful if you could give this GH issue a glance https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/issues/602 |
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| 18:16:00 | <wizwiz> | hi guys I want to become a warrior but I'm not very techy and my PC is not that good. I want to rent a windows VPS, put virtualbox/vmware and go ahead and install Warrior Appliance |
| 18:16:01 | <wizwiz> | directly on a windows vps right? |
| 18:16:40 | <@JAA> | #warrior is *still* the right channel for this. |
| 18:18:01 | <wizwiz> | guys, really know |
| 18:18:23 | <wizwiz> | you have tons of channels but there are the same people in everyone |
| 18:19:01 | <wizwiz> | also you told me from #archiveteam to get here |
| 18:19:09 | <wizwiz> | now you are sending me back to #warrior |
| 18:19:18 | <wizwiz> | where nobody answer lol |
| 18:19:21 | <@JAA> | Sigh |
| 18:19:28 | <@JAA> | We have different channels to keep various topics separate. |
| 18:19:44 | <wizwiz> | cool |
| 18:19:52 | <wizwiz> | why dont u use discord for this |
| 18:19:53 | <wizwiz> | lol |
| 18:19:55 | <@JAA> | #archiveteam is for 'SHIT THAT SITE IS SHUTTING DOWN', #archiveteam-bs is general AT project discussion, this is for anything off-topic. |
| 18:19:59 | <@JAA> | Because Discord is horrible. |
| 18:20:05 | <@JAA> | https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:JustAnotherArchivist/Discord |
| 18:20:45 | <wizwiz> | yeah, better with aold school plain text irc |
| 18:20:48 | <wizwiz> | *old |
| 18:20:56 | <wizwiz> | boomer |
| 18:22:01 | <@JAA> | Yes, none of those issues are present on IRC. |
| 18:22:29 | <@JAA> | It's also an open protocol, so everyone can use the client they wish instead of being forced to use Discord's shitty Electron thing. |
| 18:23:12 | <wizwiz> | yeah but more volunteers can come by using a more user friendly chat tool |
| 18:23:19 | <wizwiz> | not discord..other slack..idk |
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| 18:25:09 | <@JAA> | Slack, Telegram, etc. all have the same fundamental issue that they're proprietary platforms where a single non-acountable company can do whatever they want with our communication channels at a whim. |
| 18:25:55 | <@JAA> | E.g. terminate for 'ToS violations' because someone suggested circumventing security measures or idk. |
| 18:27:11 | <wizwiz> | yeah but that's barely happening |
| 18:27:13 | <@JAA> | Apparently many people are fine with putting themselves into such a dependency, and I don't quite understand why. |
| 18:27:37 | <wizwiz> | there's like porn and all that stuff allowed |
| 18:27:47 | <thuban> | 'friendliness', being a social protocol, is relative. my lightweight, highly scripted and customized irc client (made possible by the fact that irc is an open protocol) is extremely friendly *to me*; discord, slack, etc., by forcing their choices upon me, are hostile. |
| 18:27:55 | <wizwiz> | but you are affraid they will close a archive related chat lol |
| 18:28:29 | <wizwiz> | yah but do you realize you are in a bubble |
| 18:29:03 | <wizwiz> | and in this way a lot of possible volunteers are not aware of what you guys are doing and can't help |
| 18:29:16 | <@JAA> | 'Let's archive extremist political organisations. Anyone have recommendations?' - A few links are shared - Terminated for propagating hate speech. |
| 18:29:23 | <wizwiz> | cause a random volunteer will never use a "highly scripted and customized irc client" lol |
| 18:29:51 | <thuban> | no, they can use any client they choose... such an the in-browser webchat. |
| 18:29:56 | <thuban> | *as |
| 18:30:27 | <wizwiz> | yeah but they can't use funny gifs lmao |
| 18:31:15 | <@JAA> | You can post URLs here. |
| 18:31:22 | <@JAA> | Some clients might even embed them directly. |
| 18:31:54 | <wizwiz> | ok cool |
| 18:31:54 | <wizwiz> | so |
| 18:32:16 | <wizwiz> | can I install Warrior Appliance on windows server? |
| 18:32:28 | <@JAA> | Still not the right channel for that question. |
| 18:32:31 | <@JAA> | And you still need to be patient. |
| 18:33:03 | <@JAA> | Check back in a few hours or so. Maybe someone has advice by then. |
| 18:35:10 | <wizwiz> | gotcha, you don't know |
| 18:35:24 | <@JAA> | Nope, I haven't used Windows in a decade. |
| 18:39:51 | <wizwiz> | truly chad |
| 18:47:27 | <EggplantN_> | wizwiz the warrior only works for URLTeam anyway it will not work for any other project currently |
| 18:50:54 | <wizwiz> | what's url team |
| 18:51:29 | <wizwiz> | guys I tried to read all that wiki but it's a lot to read. I just want to help and be a part by buing some resources like a VPS and run there all the stuff |
| 18:51:33 | <wizwiz> | it seems it's not that easy |
| 18:51:48 | <@JAA> | https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=URLTeam |
| 18:52:27 | <@JAA> | Archiving URL shorteners |
| 18:56:13 | <wizwiz> | yeah no problem |
| 18:56:16 | <wizwiz> | if I can help lol |
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| 20:59:24 | <@kiska> | Just as a note our own f usl got kicked off of discord for "violating our terms of service" |
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| 22:20:47 | <atphoenix> | wizwiz, if this wasn't on IRC, I'd advocate for it being on Matrix/Riot. I wish there were clear recommendations on what client setups can be used to bring modern chat features to IRC (like history while away and seemless mobile support). I like that both systems allow for open standards and choice of clients. Walled garden systems suck, as the official solution is (mostly) the only option. Also if they change something |
| 22:20:47 | <atphoenix> | making it worse, there is no recourse. |
| 22:21:24 | <@Kaz> | I still don't know what a matrix is, and a riot is when you throw rocks at people |
| 22:21:29 | <@Kaz> | irc is neither of these things, it's simple |
| 22:24:24 | <atphoenix> | Kaz, https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/riot |
| 22:24:46 | <atphoenix> | https://matrix.org/faq/ |
| 22:25:19 | <@Kaz> | Maturity: Not actively maintained |
| 22:25:21 | <@Kaz> | Language: JavaScript |
| 22:25:23 | <@Kaz> | oh |
| 22:27:40 | <atphoenix> | I used Riot as a client example. There are many clients: https://matrix.org/clients/ Also Matrix is bridgeable to IRC, e.g. on freenode: #matrix #matrix-dev |
| 22:28:55 | <@Kaz> | I might be being a dinosaur here but I'm very fond of irc (and i don't want another chat client to deal with) |
| 22:29:22 | <atphoenix> | I guess they've renamed Riot.im to Element.io https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/element |
| 22:30:42 | <atphoenix> | my main complaint on IRC is it requires me to have an always-connected machine somewhere in order to not lose conversation context from missed chats |
| 22:31:52 | <atphoenix> | I do like the multi-network and choose-your-own-client openness of it. No complaints there. Like POP/IMAP email. |
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