| 00:03:47 | <ericgallager> | all the tesseract language packages use the 3-letter variants |
| 00:04:55 | <@JAA> | Consistency is good. If you need to cover languages that don't have a 2-char code, you might as well go with 3-char codes for all. |
| 00:05:13 | <klea> | i need to cover the language JAA |
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| 00:47:34 | <h2ibot> | Klea uploaded File:DocumentCloud Homepage.png (Homepage of the DocumentCloud website,…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3ADocumentCloud%20Homepage.png |
| 00:47:35 | <h2ibot> | Klea created DocumentCloud (+987, Created page with "{{underconstruction}}…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=DocumentCloud |
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| 00:54:35 | <h2ibot> | Klea created URLs project (+18, Redirected page to [[URLs]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=URLs%20project |
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| 01:02:36 | <klg> | Arawan Jamamadí? |
| 01:06:22 | <ericgallager> | anyone know what happened to freesf2 dot com? I tried checking the Wayback Machine, but it seems to only have grabs from after it was parked by some Chinese group unrelated to the original owners... |
| 01:06:37 | <ericgallager> | I'm coming to it from: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=28736 |
| 01:09:40 | <klea> | estimated shutdown time? |
| 01:10:43 | <klea> | ericgallager: <https://web.archive.org/web/20110207142202/http://freesf2.com/> ? |
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| 01:11:56 | <ericgallager> | ok yeah that looks right; I guess a redirect was getting in my way previously... |
| 01:11:59 | <ericgallager> | klea++ |
| 01:11:59 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'klea' now has 9 karma! |
| 01:12:22 | <klea> | you're welcome :) |
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| 01:55:48 | <h2ibot> | Cooljeanius edited TikTok (+32, Separate references from notes): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60094&oldid=59862 |
| 01:57:02 | <klea> | oh, i did in fact exclude notes from that bulk job of adding reference sections i did a while ago apparently. |
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| 02:00:49 | <h2ibot> | Cooljeanius edited TikTok (+308, /* Notes */ add note about vxtiktok, and…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60095&oldid=60094 |
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| 02:53:01 | <ivan> | klea: if you send me a sample I can give you the output from PDF Expert on macOS, which is probably the best non-enterprise-grade OCR thing available |
| 02:53:59 | <klea> | ivan: i got it with https://olocr.com/ocr/persian already, i only needed enough to be able to search in the interwebs for more telegram links to hopefully have #telegrab get the post that was mentioned on that site. |
| 02:54:15 | <ivan> | okay |
| 02:54:21 | <klea> | thanks anyways. |
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| 03:23:49 | <pabs> | c3manu: thx, re-ran it |
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| 11:15:03 | <c3manu> | i love it when people keep archives of (their) old stuff.. https://iranian.com/Features/archive.html |
| 11:26:58 | <@arkiver> | c3manu: nice! definitely archive it |
| 11:28:38 | <c3manu> | arkiver: it's running, i discovered that archive afterwards. from the frontpage iranian.com just looks like a wordpress that hasn't been updated since 2021 :) |
| 11:29:05 | <c3manu> | i guess i ignored the left column entirely ^^" |
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| 11:33:07 | <h2ibot> | Cooljeanius edited DocumentCloud (+192, Write a lede so that it is no longer under…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60097&oldid=60096 |
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| 12:10:12 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Governments/Germany (+375, /* Government Site Builder (GSB) */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60098&oldid=59512 |
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| 12:54:18 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Deathwatch (+162, 2026-06-30: blogs.sapo.pt to be discontinued): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60099&oldid=60045 |
| 12:55:18 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Deathwatch (+10, blogs.sapo.pt is a blogfarm): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60100&oldid=60099 |
| 12:56:13 | <c3manu> | Just discovered by accident that the Portuguese blog farm https://blogs.sapo.pt/ will be discontinued end of June this year. No idea yet how many blogs they're hosting, but on the help blog (https://ajuda.blogs.sapo.pt/descontinuacao-do-sapo-blogs-87653) they say it existed for 23 years. |
| 13:01:24 | <justauser> | User blogs as subdomains - simplifies discovery a bit. |
| 13:01:49 | <justauser> | Crawling https://blogs.sapo.pt/posts/ultimos could find at least some of them. |
| 13:02:42 | <c3manu> | yep, i was just about to say. i'm running it in #archivebot right now, so we can probably find most (if not all of them) from the logs, depending on how long it will take |
| 13:02:47 | <justauser> | But this list is only 5 pages/5 hours deep. |
| 13:03:35 | <justauser> | Some other areas of the main website are also good in that regard, but who cares if we are doing AB. |
| 13:03:58 | <justauser> | Probably needs a DPoS? |
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| 13:05:11 | <c3manu> | awww /directory.bml doesn't exist ^^ |
| 13:05:13 | <justauser> | https://blogsquentes.blogs.sapo.pt/ |
| 13:05:19 | <c3manu> | from robots.txt: Disallow: /directory.bml |
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| 13:05:50 | <c3manu> | justauser: oh nice |
| 13:06:24 | <justauser> | Individual blogs have sitemaps, value unclear. |
| 13:06:55 | <justauser> | I hope it's not a bot trap. |
| 13:07:29 | <justauser> | No AB runs under this domain, so no idea if it ever existed. |
| 13:08:40 | <c3manu> | robots.txt of blogs.apo.pt also requests a delay for bots (10) |
| 13:09:13 | <justauser> | Depends on a bot. |
| 13:09:31 | <justauser> | 5s for Bing, 20s for Yandex, none for Google. |
| 13:09:53 | <justauser> | We probably won't care... |
| 13:17:22 | <justauser> | Securitytrails has over 10K subdomains, but refuses to show more. |
| 13:18:02 | <justauser> | And DNSHistory is a lot more trigger-happy again. |
| 13:18:45 | <justauser> | Near the New Year, I could get thousands of pages per day. Now I'm banned after a dozen. |
| 13:22:20 | <c3manu> | rude |
| 13:23:48 | <justauser> | Sometimes I feel they have a human watching logs scroll by. |
| 13:24:31 | <justauser> | But perhaps it's just an adaptive system that bans more under high load, and other scrapers were taking their holiday break. |
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| 13:49:58 | <justauser> | https://delistedgames.com/ - perhaps something to be watched by feed bot? |
| 14:18:54 | <klea> | I guess things like migrations for services like <https://www.servicerocket.com/resources/opsgenie-end-of-support-what-it-means-and-what-to-do-next> really can't easily be found, and thus shouldn't be added to DW?, or should they? |
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| 14:29:01 | <cruller> | Speaking of which, there are several websites in Japan that list online games scheduled for service termination. |
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| 14:35:45 | <cruller> | weekly: https://gamebiz.jp/news/418977 https://dengekionline.com/article/202601/62842 |
| 14:36:29 | <cruller> | monthly: https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/kikaku/2074862.html https://dengekionline.com/article/202512/62039 |
| 14:37:43 | <justauser> | https://transfer.archivete.am/14h1BV/blogs.sapo.pt_securitytrails.txt |
| 14:37:43 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/14h1BV/blogs.sapo.pt_securitytrails.txt |
| 14:38:11 | <justauser> | Repeating later could plausibly return different results. |
| 14:40:55 | <klea> | time to make another few channels to pour links to :p |
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| 14:42:00 | <klea> | cruller: it seems gamebiz.jp only has a rss feed at <https://gamebiz.jp/feed.rss>, since i don't speak Japanese, I can't really do much with those, but i guess time to setup new channel for it. |
| 14:43:44 | <cruller> | I'm concerned that smartphone apps and PWAs often can't be archived using standard methods. Even so, their shutdown announcements should probably be compiled somewhere. |
| 14:45:30 | <klea> | cruller: i made #gameaway, i might wait for that_lurker to put the feed bot there, or if im too lazy, i'll run another rss2irc bot there. |
| 14:45:38 | <klea> | feed url: <https://delistedgames.com/feed/> |
| 14:52:06 | <@arkiver> | maxmodels project is started tomorrow |
| 14:52:17 | <cruller> | I monitor shutdown announcements via https://news.ceek.jp/. It crawls Japanese news sites and provides full-text search. Those search results can be subscribed to as an RSS feed. |
| 14:53:18 | <klea> | cruller: give in #gameaway the rss urls you want to have machines monitor. |
| 14:56:42 | <cruller> | Yeah, the query I usually use generates too much noise and isn't suitable for that purpose, so I'll create dedicated queries. |
| 14:56:56 | <klea> | perfect |
| 14:59:40 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+67, add angelfire.lycos.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60101&oldid=60084 |
| 15:01:40 | <justauser> | Was already there as www. |
| 15:02:41 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited Angelfire (+47, angelfire.lycos.com is excluded from the WBM): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60102&oldid=59197 |
| 15:03:35 | <klea> | oh sorry |
| 15:05:41 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (-69, it seems .angelfire.lycos.com is excluded): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60103&oldid=60101 |
| 15:06:07 | <klea> | huh |
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| 15:06:12 | <justauser> | www. and non-www are equivalent for WBM. |
| 15:06:24 | <justauser> | We even have it documented somewhere. |
| 15:06:34 | <klea> | oh |
| 15:07:25 | <klea> | justauser: i thought that a leading www. meant that only the www. subdomain was excluded rather than any subdomain for the parent. https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://meow.angelfire.lycos.com/ |
| 15:07:50 | <klea> | and if www. and non-www are equivalent for the exclusions list, shouldn't we consider removing the www.'s with the bot?, i guess maybe? |
| 15:09:31 | <justauser> | IDK if subdomains are normally excluded. |
| 15:09:42 | <justauser> | Maybe there never were a reason to. |
| 15:09:56 | <justauser> | s/were/was/ |
| 15:10:09 | <justauser> | And besides, we are in #internetarchive land. |
| 15:11:31 | <klea> | aaah, yeah sorry. |
| 15:12:07 | <cruller> | Sometimes I think, “It would be great if I could replicate everything needed to generate HTTP messages instead of just capturing them.” But that would essentially mean becoming the service provider myself. |
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| 15:27:44 | <justauser> | That's what URLTeam and WikiTeam do, to some extent. |
| 15:30:20 | <cruller> | Definitely. |
| 15:35:02 | <justauser> | klea tried to calculate the "efficiency" of AB for me. |
| 15:35:39 | <justauser> | Ratio of website size as observed by AB to space taken on the server. |
| 15:36:08 | <justauser> | The results weren't exciting at all. |
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| 16:04:33 | <justauser> | https://transfer.archivete.am/i9Kat/blogs.sapo.pt_crux.txt |
| 16:04:34 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/i9Kat/blogs.sapo.pt_crux.txt |
| 16:12:05 | <justauser> | blogs.sapo.pt has custom domains, for example https://bricopoupar.com/. |
| 16:14:02 | <justauser> | Some blogs killed earlier: https://ajuda.blogs.sapo.pt/sapo-blogs-internacional-64856 |
| 16:16:56 | <c3manu> | justauser++ |
| 16:16:56 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'justauser' now has 6 karma! |
| 16:26:11 | <justauser> | Most of the custom domains should be here: https://transfer.archivete.am/ro5HS/blogs.sapo.pt_custom_dnshistory.txt |
| 16:26:13 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/ro5HS/blogs.sapo.pt_custom_dnshistory.txt |
| 16:32:15 | <cruller> | A summary article on how to find sites on a specific server would be helpful. |
| 16:32:40 | <cruller> | It would be quite similar to [[Finding subdomains]] though. |
| 16:33:21 | <justauser> | SecurityTrails, DNSHistory, SSL certs, perhaps Shodan. |
| 16:43:22 | <cruller> | I wish WBM CDX had an IP field. |
| 16:44:02 | <justauser> | WARCs do have it, FWIW, but indexing by it would be a waste of space and time. |
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| 16:47:28 | <andybak> | Hi. I just heard from an ex-employee that Sketchfab is being gradually wound down in favour of Epic's fab. There's a lot of cultural institutions with data on there. Is there something people are aware of? |
| 16:48:13 | <andybak> | (i did check the wiki but there was no recent mention of it) |
| 16:49:01 | <cruller> | justauser: For indexing a few GB of warc files, I can include any fields, but I have no idea what the cost would be at the scale of WBM... |
| 16:52:52 | <justauser> | andybak: No. |
| 16:54:44 | <@arkiver> | andybak: do they already have a public mention of it? |
| 16:56:56 | <justauser> | "Blog" link broken for me. |
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| 17:37:32 | <that_lurker> | ref. #archiveteam Would be odd to see them discontinue tenor as it's heavily used in messaging |
| 17:37:56 | <that_lurker> | though it is google so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 17:45:20 | <@arkiver> | nyakase: would it be possible to paste the text on transfer.archivete.am from that email? or else, forward to arkiver@protonmail.com? |
| 17:47:00 | <nyakase> | that_lurker: I agree, but they *are* discontinuing the API, so that would end GIF picker integrations unless they have an alternative not mentioned in the email I got |
| 17:47:26 | <nyakase> | arkiver: I get a Google Safe Browsing warning when I go to that page |
| 17:47:36 | <justauser> | Known issue, sorry. |
| 17:47:48 | <justauser> | Probably someone uploaded something bad. |
| 17:49:46 | <nyakase> | https://transfer.archivete.am/yDE1v/tenorapimail.txt |
| 17:49:46 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/yDE1v/tenorapimail.txt |
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| 17:50:54 | <nyakase> | It doesn't say anything about the website or GIFs themselves so those should be fine for now |
| 17:52:09 | <DigitalDragons> | I see a public announcement at the bottom of https://support.google.com/tenor/answer/10455265#whatll-happen-to-the-tenor-api&zippy=%2Cwhatll-happen-to-the-tenor-api too |
| 17:53:46 | <andybak> | arkiver - sorry. got disconnected. no - no public mention i'm aware of. i was on a zoom call with uk museum community people. i joined late but just caught a really clear mention of the fact from someone who seemed to have direct knowledge |
| 17:54:42 | <andybak> | also mentioned that content was already disappearing as orgnisations where moving away due to platform changes |
| 17:54:58 | <andybak> | where / were |
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| 18:19:22 | <justauser> | https://transfer.archivete.am/gbrz4/blogs.sapo.pt_ddg.txt |
| 18:19:22 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/gbrz4/blogs.sapo.pt_ddg.txt |
| 18:19:42 | <klea> | Given <https://oldgate.org/> says it'll be closing it's doors in 2 days, i wonder, should we run domains from <https://status.oldgate.org/> on AB? |
| 18:19:47 | <klea> | > We have bad news: OGS, effective January 15th, 2025, Oldgate Studios will be closing its metaphoric doors. Since launching on March 15th, 2022, this online platform has been a place for creativity, collaboration, and connection. |
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| 18:20:11 | | klea bonks klea |
| 18:20:18 | <klea> | it's 2026 not 2025, so they closed a year ago. |
| 18:21:38 | <justauser> | Won't hurt either way. |
| 18:21:40 | <andybak> | oh - while i'm here (which isn't very often) - i'd like to thank everyone involved in archiving Google Poly. We've spent a lot of time over the last year making sure that archive can be viewed as closely as possible to how it was originally: https://icosa.gallery/ |
| 18:22:18 | <klea> | i wonder if we should have a wiki page for archive viewer project things |
| 18:22:44 | <klea> | andybak: do you mind if i add that link to the wiki? |
| 18:22:46 | <justauser> | arkiver: Not urgent, but look towards blogs.sapo.pt when you have time. It looks like a future DPoS. |
| 18:23:00 | <andybak> | klea please do |
| 18:23:55 | <andybak> | A few notes. We're linking to archive.org for alternative formats but we've copied the primary viewable files to our own backblaze B2 account because of CORS issues. We had some support from the Internet Archive but then they got hit with those lawsuits and went quiet on us. We were hoping they could help with the storage issues. |
| 18:24:54 | <andybak> | A few other websites made your scrape available back when Poly shut down but they didn't handle format conversion very well and a lot of the files were unviewable. |
| 18:26:08 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited Google Poly (+194, Added archive viewing link): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60104&oldid=59906 |
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| 18:27:41 | <klea> | I'm thinking about the idea of making a page to list uptime monitor pages, which typically have more outlinks to sites run by the same organizations (tho the uptime monitoring instances i've seen are all uptime kumas and seem to be for smallish indieweb projects such as <https://status.vulpinecitrus.info/status/default>) |
| 18:28:13 | <klea> | huh, that one doesn't have outlinks, but via human could get potential dns names, trough the process of brute forcing. |
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| 18:38:22 | <justauser> | https://transfer.archivete.am/2jpEb/blogs.sapo.pt_ip_securitytrails.txt |
| 18:38:22 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/2jpEb/blogs.sapo.pt_ip_securitytrails.txt |
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| 18:52:58 | <andybak> | ok. i'm going to have to go soon but can i get an email or something to discuss the sketchfab thing? IRC is too synchronous for my brain chemistry |
| 18:53:47 | <andybak> | arkiver ? |
| 18:57:34 | <klea> | andybak: <mailto:arkiver@protonmail.com> arkiver <at> protonmail <DOT> com |
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| 19:15:15 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited URLTeam (+445, /* "Official" shorteners */ Add fans.ly…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60105&oldid=60034 |
| 19:16:15 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited URLTeam (-33, Duplicate references section (blame me)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60106&oldid=60105 |
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| 19:16:51 | <eggdrop> | [tell] Webuser559881: [2026-01-08T14:05:15Z] <klea> No, those channels aren't logged. |
| 19:17:40 | <Webuser559881> | This guy just died: https://www.youtube.com/@RealCoffeewithScottAdams/featured |
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| 19:20:00 | <klea> | Scott Adams: <https://scottadams.locals.com> <https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays> <https://dilbert.com/> |
| 19:20:02 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.net/ScottAdamsSays |
| 19:23:21 | <klea> | Death note: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/P3Tlu/Scott-Adams-FinalMessage-p1.png https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/2Rz4R/Scott-Adams-FinalMessage-p2.png |
| 19:27:44 | <klea> | as text: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/vlxXw/Scott-Adams-FinalMessage.txt |
| 19:47:24 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Discourse/active (+51, Add forum.sailfishos.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60107&oldid=60083 |
| 19:49:58 | <@JAA> | Huh, SketchFab, bit of a throwback. We were doing their URL shortener in #urlteam for a while several years ago, until they asked us to stop. |
| 20:11:27 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Discourse/active (+47, Add mixxx.discourse.group): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60108&oldid=60107 |
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