| 00:00:07 | <klea> | cruller: should we also write about the things for tomorrow and next day (ie 2026-01-01)? |
| 00:01:46 | <@JAA> | klea: Yeah, see recent discussion about section transclusions. I haven't looked at that closer yet though. |
| 00:01:52 | <klea> | > 2026-01-01: Pair.com mailing lists (PairLists) will be shut down. While this has not yet been announced on their website, this has been emailed to list managers. https://coco3.org/TCCN/TCCN-432.html https://pairlist7.pair.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/2025q3/003870.html |
| 00:02:32 | <klea> | is there some way to get the list of all lists' names?, based on https://pairlist7.pair.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/, i suppose other lists would also have indexes that can be ABed |
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| 00:05:21 | <cruller> | klea: At the very least, I will add a note regarding the canceled and postponed ones. |
| 00:05:33 | <klea> | good |
| 00:06:31 | <klea> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Labeled_section_transclusion |
| 00:07:05 | <klea> | JAA: i was thinking of doing the inverse, but yeah it seems like a fine idea, making a bunch of labels and then smaller pages that translcude the deathwatch using those labels |
| 00:07:18 | <cruller> | That aside, I believe Deathwatch should have an archiving status field. However, it shouldn't be so resource-intensive to input that it hinders archiving. |
| 00:07:47 | <hexagonwin> | arkiver is ktoon finished? if 'series:' items are HTML, doesn't it mean the latest/last downloads shouldn't be 'series:' since they always discover new stuff (episode/image)? |
| 00:07:55 | <@JAA> | The thing is more that it clutters the page even further. |
| 00:08:09 | <@JAA> | Not that the current approach is good, mind you. |
| 00:08:19 | <hexagonwin> | i'm just slightly worried due to its small size, and we have about 15hrs left till deadline |
| 00:08:49 | <nicolas17> | didn't we talk about turning deathwatch into a ticket system once? :P |
| 00:09:31 | <klea> | inb4 we start running phorge |
| 00:09:45 | <klea> | nicolas17: if you have time could you link me to irclogs about it? |
| 00:10:33 | <klea> | JAA: <section begin=dying-2025-01 />¨CONTENT¨<section end=dying-2025-01 /> doesn't look so bad |
| 00:10:54 | <@JAA> | nicolas17: We talked about that kind of thing, but as an additional thing, not a replacement, I think. |
| 00:11:19 | <klea> | i don't know how we could do to let users easily edit those sections, i was thinking of doing the inverse making deathwatch as small as possible and linking outwards |
| 00:11:43 | <klea> | then those sections of the deathwatch per year would be smaller, even if it'd make moving things between sections slightly annoying. |
| 00:12:22 | <klea> | we could do per year and have the section tag thingies per month (and also add to some specific days if there's too many entries) |
| 00:12:28 | <@JAA> | If that moving were a rare task, whatever, but it's definitely not (and should be more frequent than we do). |
| 00:12:35 | <nicolas17> | maybe leave Deathwatch as it is, but create a new page for every site and add more info there, how hard could it be (: |
| 00:12:54 | <@JAA> | I mean, Deathwatch already links to the pages when they exist. |
| 00:13:56 | <klea> | we can add more section labels for dates, add more spaces for when editing the wikitext (is there a way to make those not show?) and have a section of machine generated transclusion pages for easier viewing |
| 00:14:07 | <klea> | but that still clutters it a bit much. |
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| 00:14:18 | <@JAA> | Keeping editing simple is important, too. |
| 00:14:39 | <@JAA> | As in, random people adding things that are shutting down. |
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| 00:16:19 | <@OrIdow6> | Yeah |
| 00:18:58 | <@OrIdow6> | I do like the wiki being a big public notepad without understanding much machinery needed to edit |
| 00:19:55 | <klea> | that's why i said putting lots of spaces (i meant newlines), and maybe comments to make it clear how to add stuff easily |
| 00:23:02 | <cruller> | 13. https://www.greun.nu/ — This must be one of "some that are still unfinished but can be completed even now." Just 25 pages. |
| 00:23:07 | <cruller> | 14. https://community.ns.nl/ — Saved with AB on 2025-06-21. It has been offline from December 15. |
| 00:23:12 | <cruller> | 15. https://www.myktoon.com/ — Saved with DPoS. |
| 00:23:26 | <cruller> | Ex1. https://arca.live/ https://refsheet.net/ https://horaro.org/ are still online. |
| 00:25:39 | <cruller> | Sorry for sending so many messages :P |
| 00:29:47 | <klea> | cruller: don't worry, the messages are actually usefull :) |
| 00:36:44 | <DigitalDragons> | Maybe issues in a repo on the gitea is a nice simple ticketing system? Then you can either make an issue as you add something to deathwatch or someone else can go back and make an issue later |
| 00:36:52 | <DigitalDragons> | (is the gitea open registration?) |
| 00:39:43 | <@OrIdow6> | cruller: It's tradition - https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2024-12-16#laf550d06 |
| 00:41:38 | <@OrIdow6> | I feel like we need a wiki page summarizing discussion of the gitea idea |
| 00:43:11 | <klea> | DigitalDragons: i believe gitea's not configured as open registration |
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| 00:44:02 | <DigitalDragons> | right, okay |
| 00:44:11 | <DigitalDragons> | Phorge or something would be cool but someone would have to set that up and I think people are busy |
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| 00:44:57 | | klea kindly asks busy for a little small container to setup a lamp stack |
| 00:45:27 | <@OrIdow6> | Previous discussions on this: https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2021-06-05#lf2101768 https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2022-08-27#l5344ff5e https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2024-11-06#la3a5dcb3 |
| 00:45:56 | <klea> | OrIdow6: thanks! |
| 00:46:30 | <@OrIdow6> | Interesting how it was originally merged with the idea of scanning social media for shutdown discussion |
| 00:47:57 | <klea> | https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2024-11-06#l2fe6fe7a highligthing **no one wanted to host it**, i wonder, are people trying to avoid maintenance? |
| 00:49:30 | <nicolas17> | tbh I think we should try gitlab.com or something just to experiment with the ticket workflow, rather than bikeshedding what exact software to use or who will host it |
| 00:49:40 | <nicolas17> | and either way it can wait until january :D |
| 00:50:32 | <klea> | or next year :p |
| 00:50:47 | | klea sees opp |
| 00:50:50 | <klea> | sorry |
| 00:52:52 | <eggdrop> | [remind] OrIdow6: add realkalos to hoaxes |
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| 00:53:12 | <@OrIdow6> | eggdrop: What does that mean, how long ago did I ask for this remind |
| 00:53:34 | <nicolas17> | dec 16 |
| 00:53:40 | <klea> | OrIdow6: https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2025-12-17#l641ab70f |
| 00:53:42 | <@OrIdow6> | Whatever |
| 00:53:42 | <@OrIdow6> | !remindme 2w add realkalos to hoaxes |
| 00:53:43 | <eggdrop> | [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2026-01-14T00:53:42Z |
| 00:54:03 | <klea> | lol |
| 00:54:12 | <nicolas17> | procrastination++ |
| 00:54:12 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'procrastination' now has 79 karma! |
| 00:54:25 | <klea> | procrastination++ |
| 00:54:26 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'procrastination' now has 80 karma! |
| 00:55:25 | <@OrIdow6> | I'm evidently on IRC around the same time |
| 00:56:10 | <klea> | [remind] OrIdow6 that is a request by yourself to add realkalos (what is that?) to https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Shutdown_rumors,_hoaxes,_and_scares |
| 01:10:42 | <@JAA> | OrIdow6: Yeah, that general plan is still on the menu. There were some blockers that were only very recently sorted out. |
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| 01:22:10 | <h2ibot> | DigitalDragon created Better Tracking for Deathwatch (+1671, Created page with "''See past discussions on…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Better%20Tracking%20for%20Deathwatch |
| 01:22:55 | <DigitalDragons> | I did my best to summarize but might've missed some stuff |
| 01:34:11 | <h2ibot> | Cruller edited Deathwatch (+373, Update regarding CreativeLive and the Shogi…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59058&oldid=59030 |
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| 02:59:23 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Internet Archive/Save Page Now (+198, add more SPN blocklist entries): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59059&oldid=58724 |
| 03:23:53 | <tzt> | Baker & Taylor, a library services company, will shut down 2026, a lot of library catalogs rely on it for book metadata, it looks like baker-taylor.com was saved in AB but contentcafe2.btol.com, which has the book metadata has not been archived. The SSL certificate for baker-taylor.com expired 12 days ago and has not been renewed so it seems that shutdown is immninent. |
| 03:42:00 | <tzt> | The service uses ASP.NET Web Forms, with a POST request link on each of the pages with book data, but it can be reformatted to GET. Here is an example URL: https://contentcafe2.btol. com/ContentCafeClient/ContentCafe.aspx?UserID=ebsco-test&Password=ebsco-test&ItemKey=0679405593 |
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| 03:43:09 | <tzt> | The ItemKey is the book ISBN |
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| 03:56:16 | <nicolas17> | yikes |
| 04:04:09 | <nulldata> | Do we have a list of ISBNs? |
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| 04:36:53 | <@arkiver> | hexagonwin: i think it's finished... we went through the user uploaded stuff, since as you mentioned the other comics seemed to be behind a wall |
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| 04:38:20 | <@arkiver> | justauser: can https://transfer.archivete.am/aqSnd/pair.com_pair.net_pairlist.net_ddg.txt simply go in ArchiveBot? |
| 04:38:20 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/aqSnd/pair.com_pair.net_pairlist.net_ddg.txt |
| 04:38:32 | <@arkiver> | and https://transfer.archivete.am/dlfpw/pair.com_pair.net_pairlist.net.cdx.zst |
| 04:39:17 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: klea: you can use https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/ to see if at least something ran for a site |
| 04:41:24 | <@arkiver> | tzt: is there a more precise deadline than "2026"? |
| 04:48:55 | <@OrIdow6> | DigitalDragons: Thanks! |
| 04:53:39 | <h2ibot> | OrIdow6 edited Better Tracking for Deathwatch (+422, On Mediawiki extensions): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59060&oldid=59057 |
| 04:55:16 | <@arkiver> | good a web page is being made on this :) |
| 04:56:00 | <@arkiver> | i think it is important to keep things simple, so anyone would be able to add an entry without requiring technical knowledge |
| 04:56:09 | <@arkiver> | or too many accounts in various places |
| 05:00:41 | <@JAA> | https://transfer.archivete.am/dlfpw/pair.com_pair.net_pairlist.net.cdx.zst is surts, so definitely not AB-able. |
| 05:05:17 | <@arkiver> | interesting, why format it like that :P |
| 05:05:52 | <@arkiver> | nearly 500k URLs |
| 05:06:05 | <@arkiver> | may be doable with AB in time |
| 05:06:13 | <@arkiver> | with high concurrency |
| 05:07:57 | <@JAA> | Probably took the first field from the CDX API response instead of the original URL. |
| 05:11:49 | <@arkiver> | ah didn't know it was taken from the CDX API |
| 05:17:49 | <@JAA> | And I had somehow missed the context of this disappearing. |
| 05:18:41 | <@JAA> | Looking into throwing these into AB. |
| 05:22:43 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Obstacles (+61, Vercel Security Checkpoint, Deflect): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59061&oldid=58626 |
| 05:23:43 | <h2ibot> | JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+161, /* 2026 */ Add PE-Community.eu): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59062&oldid=59058 |
| 05:30:50 | <hexagonwin> | arkiver: i see... it does seem like *some* non-user-uploaded comics are still public, like https://v2.myktoon.com/web/works/list.kt?worksseq=3 |
| 05:31:44 | <hexagonwin> | seems like stuff linked on https://v2.myktoon.com/web/homescreen/box_webtoon.kt ("박스오피스" on top navbar) is largely not paywalled? |
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| 05:37:11 | <@JAA> | Ugh, there's duplication, e.g. https://pairlist2.pair.net/pipermail/wolfdev/ == https://two.pairlist.net/pipermail/wolfdev/ |
| 05:48:43 | <tzt> | tzt: it appears that Content Cafe has been acquired according to this post but it will be transitioned to "LibraryOne" https://old.reddit.com/r/librarians/comments/1pq6fog/baker_and_taylor_not_dead_yet_well_at_least_part/ |
| 05:48:49 | <tzt> | arkiver: |
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| 06:13:18 | <@JAA> | Oh |
| 06:13:45 | <@JAA> | I think I found a way to get a complete list of the mailing lists. |
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| 06:21:13 | <pabs> | JAA++ |
| 06:21:14 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'JAA' now has 326 karma! |
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| 06:34:53 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Better Tracking for Deathwatch (+440, custom software idea): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59063&oldid=59060 |
| 06:45:29 | <gosc> | archivebot can handle 700k urls right? |
| 06:47:09 | <pabs> | yes, could take a while though |
| 06:47:27 | <gosc> | oh nice |
| 06:47:35 | <pabs> | if you also need fast, DPoS is the only option |
| 06:47:43 | <gosc> | I see |
| 06:47:57 | <pokechu22> | or split the list into several and do several archivebot jobs |
| 06:48:03 | <pabs> | or qwarc I guess |
| 07:04:58 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited In The Media (+124, Honey fraud video): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59064&oldid=58985 |
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| 07:16:16 | <@arkiver> | qwarc may be a good fit in this case |
| 07:18:35 | <@JAA> | Which case? |
| 07:27:32 | <@arkiver> | to get a copy of pair.com lists |
| 07:27:37 | <@arkiver> | JAA: ^ |
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| 07:29:51 | <@arkiver> | cruller: from what you checked - do you think there are any that need a custom project? |
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| 07:40:47 | <@JAA> | arkiver: Not a terrible fit, but qwarc isn't really good at generic recursion. |
| 07:44:35 | <cruller> | arkiver: I've only checked whether starting AB now would finish it today, but AFAIK there aren't. |
| 08:04:07 | <@JAA> | It appears that pairlistN.pair.net is the canonical location for the lists. The {one,two,...}.pairlist.net servers redirect there on some URLs. |
| 08:09:32 | <cruller> | https://digizeitschriften.de/id/{id} won't load with noscript, but since there are no POST requests or complex processing, I think creating a URL and doing AB should suffice. (If you want to archive each document's metadata) |
| 08:10:59 | <cruller> | s/URL/URL list/ |
| 08:13:23 | <cruller> | However, the metadata for each document may be available from another database if its ID is known. |
| 08:17:48 | <cruller> | Oh, digizeitschriften seems to have just gone offline... nvm |
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| 09:16:26 | <@JAA> | AB jobs for pairlistN.pair.net are running. One !ao < job for the /mailman/listinfo/x and one !a < job per host (1 through 10) for /pipermail/x. |
| 09:17:10 | <@JAA> | The CDX API data has a lot of noise, but I left everything that was workable in the list, so that gets some 404s. |
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| 09:53:47 | <cruller> | I've also checked the 6 things on 2026-01-01. It seems none have been archived yet except for channel attitude.com. |
| 09:57:43 | <@JAA> | PairLists and PE-Community are both running through AB. |
| 09:59:20 | <cruller> | Yeah, I forgot to check the dashboard... |
| 10:03:36 | <cruller> | I just saw a job for quantum-mirror.hu. Thanks. |
| 10:07:13 | <cruller> | When running noscript, https://www.pe-community.eu/ displays the message “JavaScript ist deaktiviert. Für eine bessere Darstellung aktiviere bitte JavaScript in deinem Browser, bevor du fortfährst.” However, at first glance, it seems to be working fine. |
| 10:12:19 | <@JAA> | Yeah, XenForo works fine without JS. |
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| 10:38:26 | <klea> | pabs: can you check if the SPN blocklist is for /generate_204 directly, iirc google has other domains that also generate 204s |
| 10:38:33 | <h2ibot> | Cruller edited Deathwatch (+184, The Berean Test cancelled its planned shutdown.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59065&oldid=59062 |
| 11:01:04 | <klea> | i'm going to try to setup a phorge instance to toy with it, if it becomes more production desired use, i'll probably ask for a subdomain for it, so it's not relying on a third party i'm not entirely sure i trust to keep paying a domain :) |
| 11:14:16 | <pabs> | not easily, I only saw the error in my SPN email response |
| 11:19:59 | <klea> | thanks |
| 11:25:54 | <cruller> | https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6334001 These "generate_204"s are also blocked. |
| 11:34:55 | <cruller> | Ah yes, generate_204 in any domain or directory is blocked. (Even if it's example.com) |
| 11:35:53 | <cruller> | It's a very simple blocking rule. |
| 11:40:41 | <h2ibot> | Cruller edited Internet Archive/Save Page Now (-27, /* Blocks */ Any generate_204 is blocked): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59066&oldid=59059 |
| 11:42:06 | <cruller> | Incidentally, https://example.com/generate_204/a.txt isn't blocked. |
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| 12:29:27 | <c3manu> | lucky coincidence, https://forum.posit.co/ has a notice at the top about sunsetting bookdown.org |
| 12:29:48 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Discourse/archived (+93, Queued forum.posit.co): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59068&oldid=59067 |
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| 12:33:01 | <c3manu> | https://posit.co/blog/bookdown-org-sunset/ |
| 12:37:49 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Deathwatch (+192, 2027: bookdown.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59069&oldid=59065 |
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| 12:38:28 | <c3manu> | it’s only taken down end of Jan 2027, but the source files won’t be available starting Jan 31 in 2026 already |
| 12:38:56 | <c3manu> | also some books listed in the archive https://bookdown.org/home/archive/ are hosted on custom domains, like https://r-graphics.org/ for example |
| 12:39:31 | <c3manu> | not sure whether the source files are public or only accessible to the author/uploader |
| 12:40:32 | <c3manu> | ^ does it make sense to create small wiki pages for as little information as that? |
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| 14:02:33 | <gosc> | it's normal for some wayback pages to be excluded right? I saved this page three times and 2/3 of the captures have vanished from wayback: https://madoka-magica-cafe-girlsparty2025.theme-cafe.jp |
| 14:02:53 | <gosc> | I saved it sometime in dec, then on december 23, both of those captures are gone now |
| 14:03:50 | <gosc> | dec 26* my bad |
| 14:24:19 | <klea> | gosc: does it explicitly say it's excluded?, if not, it's probably an indexing issue |
| 14:24:25 | <klea> | also, #internetarchive |
| 14:24:45 | <gosc> | oh okay; to both messages lol |
| 14:24:57 | <gosc> | yeah, it doesn't say excluded |
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| 15:06:33 | <nstrom|m> | fyi arkiver I think we can shut down ktoon archiver, just getting 302s and redirects to shutdown notice now |
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| 15:21:16 | <klea> | lol, phorge seems to have full fledged code review, and wikis and lots of stuff, not sure if that could be helpfull or not |
| 15:24:01 | <klea> | you can disable most stuff i believe, but i'm trying to figure out how to bork the files part, as we already have transfer.archiveteam.org |
| 15:24:03 | <klea> | aaa |
| 15:24:07 | <klea> | transfer.archivete.am |
| 15:25:13 | <klea> | POST /file/upload/ oh, i guess just bork that endpoint via reverse proxy |
| 16:19:25 | <h2ibot> | OrIdow6 edited Better Tracking for Deathwatch (+464, Move MW-with-extensions to its own sections, a…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59075&oldid=59063 |
| 16:26:34 | <@OrIdow6> | klea: Surprised there's no cleaner way to disable them |
| 16:26:49 | <klea> | OrIdow6: most things there's a cleaner way but not for files |
| 16:27:29 | <klea> | > This application is required and cannot be disabled. |
| 16:33:02 | <@OrIdow6> | I guess it's used internally for image uploads and the like? |
| 16:33:46 | <klea> | ye |
| 16:34:02 | <klea> | OrIdow6: if you want to play with it: http://linkbird.iwnp.org:9080/ |
| 16:36:03 | <klea> | btw, that's a test instance running on my laptop, so data will likely be deleted if/when i decide to move it to more prod like setup (i'd need a container somewhere preferably) |
| 16:36:16 | <kiska> | At some point I am going to migrate my influxdb machine to another thing, so those who are using it for the graphs will experience some period of no data cause I am moving the database |
| 16:36:30 | <klea> | ack |
| 16:50:48 | <TheTechRobo> | Phorge does indeed seem pretty heavyweight for what we'd be using it for. I'm not really an important figure in AT, so take this with a grain of salt, but I can't see there being much use of the additional features that an issue tracker would provide. Most discussion is going to be on IRC anyway, so all the discussion features will probably go |
| 16:50:48 | <TheTechRobo> | unused |
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| 16:51:45 | <@OrIdow6> | klea: I am example@example.com |
| 16:52:06 | | klea agrees with TheTechRobo |
| 16:52:09 | <@OrIdow6> | TheTechRobo: Yeah "heavy" is my impression to browsing around this |
| 16:52:29 | <@OrIdow6> | I could see everything whatsoever being integrated into this but that seems like way further than we're talking |
| 16:53:04 | <TheTechRobo> | about Phorge specifically, there's a lot of clicks to get around to basic functionality we'd need like "Open tasks", and although we could probably fix that with custom navigation etc, *starting out* a project with duct tape is probably not a fantastic idea :P |
| 16:53:11 | <@OrIdow6> | And having a single service run by a single person for everything seems risky in a somewhat decentralized organization |
| 16:53:38 | <TheTechRobo> | Tbf, that's currently the wiki, but yeah, reducing the centralization is a big factor |
| 16:53:57 | <TheTechRobo> | s/reducing/not increasing/ |
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| 16:54:38 | <klea> | what wikimedia seems to do is make custom forms: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ shows links to forms which are somewhat limited |
| 16:55:23 | <klea> | i agree at not increasing centralization |
| 16:55:46 | <klea> | tho afaik DPoS relies on another single server, h2i is another single server, AB is another single server |
| 16:56:04 | <TheTechRobo> | I think if we're going to use a forge, it should be the Gitea we're already using (and open up registration there), *or* we should move from Gitea to Phorge. But I'm not sure we really need a forge |
| 16:56:28 | <klea> | yea |
| 16:56:33 | <klea> | we could disable the phorge feature |
| 16:56:58 | <klea> | s/phorge/forge/ |
| 16:57:00 | <klea> | aa |
| 16:57:02 | <TheTechRobo> | To fix the "new accounts" issue, it'd be cool if the wiki could be integrated so you log in with your wiki account |
| 16:58:00 | <klea> | i believe you can but from what i saw on the WMF phabricator, the first time you have to input an email if you haven't configured one on the wiki |
| 16:58:07 | <klea> | well, and if you have too |
| 16:58:13 | <klea> | but it's just filled in iirc |
| 16:58:13 | <TheTechRobo> | klea: Sorry, by "not sure we really need a forge" I should have said "not sure we really need a fully-fledged issue tracker" |
| 16:58:23 | <klea> | yeah true |
| 16:58:37 | <klea> | unless we want to do everything in phorge but that's centralizing AT to a single service :( |
| 16:58:44 | <TheTechRobo> | Yeah |
| 16:58:50 | <@OrIdow6> | One thing it absolutely needs is custom fields |
| 16:58:56 | <klea> | i believe you can add |
| 17:00:11 | <klea> | https://we.phorge.it/book/phorge/article/custom_fields/ |
| 17:05:02 | <TheTechRobo> | My current preference is the Semantic MediaWiki or Cargo approach. Nothing new to host, no new accounts, everything's in a similar place, and we can (presumably? I've never used those extensions before) make pages with custom queries so people can have their own dashboards if they want to. OTOH, I can see there being issues with having one wiki |
| 17:05:02 | <TheTechRobo> | page per item, and I don't even know who has server access to the wiki (is it just Jason Scott?) |
| 17:07:36 | <TheTechRobo> | Re assigning people to an issue, isn't that kind of thing what these extensions are designed for? to be able to put a schema on a set of wiki pages and run queries on it? Or am I misunderstanding? |
| 17:07:38 | <klea> | TheTechRobo: from what i understand JAA has access to the wiki, since i asked in #wikiteam to add dumps that only contain the last revision and they seemed to do it |
| 17:09:40 | <klea> | i also believe the files thing is used internally by phorge itself to store it's own image files: http://linkbird.iwnp.org:9080/F1 |
| 17:16:22 | <@JAA> | Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Phorge's interface, but then again, I haven't used it much either, and Bugzilla's UI only grew on me after I did (but is *definitely* overkill for here). |
| 17:17:49 | <@JAA> | That said, we have Gitea, which is to be improved very soon now that the blockers are gone. We already need and use that anyway, and its issue tracking is probably sufficient for this use case. |
| 17:18:27 | <@JAA> | TheTechRobo, klea: Correct, I have full access to everything wiki-related. |
| 17:18:55 | <TheTechRobo> | Would Gitea be made open-registration then? |
| 17:24:34 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Anubis/uncategorized (+27, git.hacknology.de deploys Anubis): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59076&oldid=58267 |
| 17:29:53 | <@JAA> | TheTechRobo: Details TBD; we wouldn't want to invite spammers. But yes-ish. |
| 17:35:47 | <@OrIdow6> | On https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Better_Tracking_for_Deathwatch, alright if I reclassify Phorge as #1? At least my takeaway here was that there's a difference between dedicated issue trackers and software that do more things |
| 17:36:18 | <@OrIdow6> | JAA: Why is Bugzilla overkill? Haven't used it too much |
| 17:36:35 | <@JAA> | Having to run an additional thing is a significant difference. |
| 17:41:48 | <@OrIdow6> | Any big issues with the interface/the like? |
| 17:41:50 | <@JAA> | The main features on Bugzilla that come to mind as being overkill is the classification/product/component system and the numerous fields you can set. |
| 17:42:12 | <@JAA> | Not sure if you can configure it to hide all of that though. |
| 17:44:23 | <@JAA> | I'd rather thing about it the other way around: is there something we need that the Gitea/Forgejo issue tracker *can't* do? |
| 17:44:28 | <@JAA> | s/thing/think/ |
| 18:06:13 | <klea> | so i'll kill the test instance then now that we know it's not needed |
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| 18:08:05 | <@JAA> | I mean, the question whether it offers something additional that we need is still open. I don't think there is anything, but maybe others disagree. |
| 18:10:08 | <klea> | a i did it too soon. |
| 18:13:18 | <klea> | gitea gives calendars? |
| 18:13:37 | <klea> | but tho it's not very usefull |
| 18:16:01 | <klea> | it has a feature to make #urlteam happy, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phurl/ |
| 18:27:58 | <@JAA> | Not sure about a calendar, but due dates exist (and can be sorted by), which is probably sufficient? |
| 18:29:56 | <klea> | yeah |
| 18:44:39 | <@arkiver> | nstrom|m: thank you, paused it |
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| 19:00:51 | <@OrIdow6> | Maybe we should add a "wishlist" of stuff to the wiki page |
| 19:01:03 | <@OrIdow6> | Like, fields to be tracked, notifications that would be nice to have etc |
| 19:01:05 | <@OrIdow6> | THen pare that down |
| 19:02:43 | <klea> | yeah |
| 19:03:16 | <klea> | i'm trying to think of things gitea doesn't have, are issues that are childs of other issues implemented? |
| 19:17:32 | <@OrIdow6> | *does* Gitea/Forejo do custom fields? |
| 19:18:00 | <@OrIdow6> | I'm finding stuff that talks about issue templates but some people complaining that that doesn't work as well as Jira custom fields. But haven't used Jira |
| 19:22:12 | <klea> | https://codeberg.org/forgejo/discussions/issues/368 V |
| 19:22:14 | <klea> | https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/8665 |
| 19:25:20 | <nicolas17> | pls archive https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46443077 post got flagged and may be deleted |
| 19:25:56 | <nicolas17> | I'm afk |
| 19:27:21 | <@OrIdow6> | nicolas17: Ran it with a quick !ao |
| 19:28:02 | <nicolas17> | thx |
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| 20:08:01 | <h2ibot> | Pokechu22 edited Mailman/2 (+87, /* Not yet archived */ 2 from https://w1.fi/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59077&oldid=58251 |
| 20:24:03 | <h2ibot> | KleaBot edited Discourse/archived (+0, Reordered websites): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59078&oldid=59074 |
| 20:24:04 | <h2ibot> | KleaBot edited Main Page/In The Media (-39, Updated from [[In The Media]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59079&oldid=59024 |
| 20:24:19 | <klea> | ok now it only reordered urls |
| 20:24:21 | <klea> | good bot |
| 20:45:35 | <c3manu> | ugh |
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| 20:47:23 | <c3manu> | is it really that important to sort those forums alphabetically for each day? what do other people think? |
| 20:49:42 | <c3manu> | i don’t want to be the only voice in the room on that, but i’m feeling like someone else is trying to clean up my room (someone who’s not using it themselves) |
| 21:15:19 | <c3manu> | JAA: apparently the German govt is trying to move towards a common '.gov.de' domain scheme, making it easier to see which wegbsites actually are government websites, and which aren’t. they’re gonna move slow, but i’d bet a at least a few of them will be scrapped and/or rebuilt at that opportunity |
| 21:15:43 | <c3manu> | JAA: via https://fragdenstaat.de/artikel/exklusiv/2025/12/geheimsache-domains/ and it’s many links, like https://bmds.bund.de/service/digitale-dachmarke |
| 21:15:52 | <c3manu> | only skimmed it myself so far |
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| 21:37:39 | <@JAA> | c3manu: Oh, I like that, but yeah, we should probably grab everything before that happens then. |
| 21:38:04 | <masterx244|m> | related: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-verlorene-domains-offene-turen-was-alte-behordendomains-verraten (talk has a english audio track, too. powered by volunteer translators at the conference itself) |
| 21:39:50 | <c3manu> | c3lingo++ |
| 21:39:51 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'c3lingo' now has 1 karma! |
| 21:40:10 | <c3manu> | haven’t watched it myself yet. maybe they have a list or something ^^ |
| 21:40:36 | <FireFly> | c3manu: nice they're finally doing that |
| 21:40:49 | <FireFly> | now I only need sweden to follow suit >.> |
| 21:40:55 | <c3manu> | the decision seems to be from some time in 2024 ^^ |
| 21:41:33 | <c3manu> | March 2024: https://www.digitale-verwaltung.de/Webs/DV/DE/aktuelles-service/digitale_dachmarke/digitale_dachmarke-node.html |
| 21:55:18 | <klea> | ig i should manually look for which pages where updated and when the bot ran and only run the bot every week or so |
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| 22:01:40 | <c3manu> | klea: i really don’t mean to come across as mean or anything, but that would make it even worse ^^ now it’s not just putting things another place than where i left it, but also does so at random times |
| 22:03:35 | <c3manu> | klea: why are you reording them in the first place? was someone having trouble finding something in a list or sth like that? |
| 22:05:27 | <klea> | c3manu: i'll remove that file, i was sorting them to keep them ordered, i thought it was a good idea to do it similar to how wbmexclusions is sorte |
| 22:08:51 | <c3manu> | klea: that was meant as a genuine, open question. if it serves a purpose it could be worth to keep reordering it regardless of what i think about it ^^ |
| 22:10:28 | <klea> | i also don't mean to come off as mean, from what i remember i think i only made it because i thought, if Wayback Machine's exclusions' lists are sorted why not also order other lists from the wiki |
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