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00:51:36<h2ibot>Dango360 edited Itch.io (+12, /* Grab */ Add link to ArchiveBot page): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56624&oldid=56623
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01:48:36<gamer191-1|m><katia> "0.5 means half the workers are..." <- I’m confused, how does that relate to the rate limit?
01:49:02<nicolas17>the rate limit is not shown anywhere public, no
01:49:12<nicolas17>it's 110/minute on itch right now
01:49:56<nicolas17>I think the server supports more complicated limits, like "if the item name starts with X then use a lower limit for those"
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02:28:05<TheTechRobo>gamer191-1|m: It lets you see which projects need more help. If a project has a low item request serve rate, your worker probably won't get any items at that point in time.
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02:42:15<Webuser023577>Hello I am curious if there is some way to find a user's ask.fm posts from the ask.fm archive
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03:42:28<gamer191-1|m><TheTechRobo> "gamer191-1: It lets you see..." <- Oh, that makes sense
03:42:28<gamer191-1|m>Thanks TheTechRobo
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03:46:32<gamer191-1|m>!tell Webuser023577 couldn’t you just use web.archive.org?
03:46:33<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell Webuser023577 when they join next
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03:48:10<Webuser743529>!tell gamer191-1|m I am looking for https://ask.fm/a/beh4mfid which is from user 108 I believe and it's not archived it goes to a redirect
03:48:11<eggdrop>[tell] gamer191-1|m is here - they should see your message :)
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03:48:43<Webuser743529>I have no clue how to use IRC I tried to install mirc and I accidently put myself in effnet instead of hackint.org
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03:51:04<@OrIdow6>It looks like it wasn't saved much?
03:53:19<Webuser743529>!tell Orldow6 I am an idiot the user is actually cvii which is on internet archive but there isn't anything there. It's from 2024 and looks to be that everything was deleted. So I think looking at the databases could be helpful if they are not from 2024 or maybe there are other ask.fm archives that are from earlier than 2024
03:53:20<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell Orldow6 when they join next
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03:55:11<@OrIdow6>Webuser743529: I'm talking about ask.fm generally, I wasn't involved in that project
03:55:45<@OrIdow6>Oh
03:56:11<@OrIdow6>Anyway it would be nice if someone involved would update the wiki a bit on how much "partially saved" entails/a bit of an after action report on the project
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04:01:39<gamer191-1|m><Webuser743529> "I have no clue how to use IRC..." <- Matrix (https://matrix.to/#/%23archiveteam-bs:hackint.org) is way easier
04:02:28<nicolas17>matrix doesn't let you see that they already left :P
04:03:45<gamer191-1|m>Oh, it usually does
04:10:47<gamer191-1|m>Speaking of Matrix, does anyone know why #scratchtheitch isn’t bridged? (You can join that channel on Matrix, but it’s not bridged because the list of users isn’t synchronised and messages aren’t transferred)
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07:26:47<h2ibot>That lurker edited Archiveteam:IRC/Relay (+79): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56625&oldid=55613
07:35:31<BlankEclair>finally, a table that's not class="wikitable"
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11:36:07<@JAA>That was the second !tell Orldow6 within 24 hours. lol
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11:37:51<that_lurker>!tell JÅÅ now we just need to wait for someone with that nick to join and be confused :-P
11:37:52<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell JÅÅ when they join next
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12:28:14<gamer191-1|m><JAA> "That was the second !tell Orldow..." <- It’s cause their name has a capital i which is confusing
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12:39:50<@JAA>bad fonts--
12:39:51<eggdrop>[karma] 'bad fonts' now has -1 karma!
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12:51:07<that_lurker>Comic Sans++
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13:03:56<masterx244|m>mixes a | into the package
13:04:23<cruller>I've listed the URLs for these 692 videos, so could someone please submit this to AB? https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/12UUzP/nhklearning_videos.txt
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13:31:56<masterx244|m>did eggdrop eat a cockroach?
13:50:19<that_lurker>!8ball did eggdrop eat a cockroach
13:50:19<eggdrop>🎱: that_lurker, outlook not so good
14:07:43<@imer>oh no
14:13:51<@OrIdow6>JAA: Admittedly, because they tend to be done by people new to IRC, when I glance at them my first thought is sometimes that it's someone who believes they need to use the !tell command to send all their messages
14:14:17<@OrIdow6>Did you ever figure out why the channel wasn't bridget gamer191-1|m?
14:15:58<@JAA>Yeah
14:16:13<@JAA>It's probably a bridge bug and has been brought up in #hackint.
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14:18:04<@OrIdow6>Ah, and here's hackint themselves
14:25:16<hexa|m>uh-hu
14:25:18<hexa_>h
14:25:35<hexa_>I mean, it's super slow, but it works?
14:26:06<hexa_>and by super slow I mean in the region of 10s delay
14:26:09<hexa_>on good days
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14:30:25<@imer>hexa_: not seeing any matrix people in #scratchtheitch - that might be broken still?
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14:36:00<masterx244|m>and no messages from IRC coming over at all into the matrix end
14:36:39<hexa_>wworks for me
14:36:47<hexa_>but note that I sometimes use !join in the appservice DM
14:37:04<hexa_>if it fails then that gets me better feedback
14:39:57<masterx244|m>quirky trap that a room with the same name existed on the network thats linkable but ends up being a dead end.
14:43:45<hexa_>huh
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15:43:26<gamer191-1|m><masterx244|m> "quirky trap that a room with the..." <- Would it be easiest to just switch to a different channel name (CC OrIdow6)
15:46:45<@JAA>Meh
15:46:50<@arkiver>i'm not sure if we should switch cannels becaue of bridge problems
15:46:53<@JAA>^
15:47:00<@arkiver>i don't think we should
15:47:53<@OrIdow6>Huh
15:47:56<@arkiver>this may be good time to start using IRC directly :)
15:48:13<@OrIdow6>Out of curiosity what network is that? Matrix.org? I don't understand how the bridge works
15:48:42<@OrIdow6>I would've thought the Matrix server was hackint.org
15:50:04<@OrIdow6>arkiver: I'd tenuously support switching it over if it's the only option, but I don't like it, that's trading one set of inconveniences for another
15:51:15<@imer>not a clue how the matrix stuff works either, figured it was just broken, but apparently sorta works?
15:51:33<@JAA>60% of the time, it works every time!
15:52:19<@arkiver>OrIdow6: we're on IRC mainly, not another platform, though there is *something* on discord i believe. i would not support adjusting IRC because of a buggy tool
15:53:02<@arkiver>i guess whoever handles the bridge should fix what needs fixing, and/or it may be a good opportunity to start using IRC directly
15:53:49<@JAA>Agreed
15:54:14<gamer191-1|m><arkiver> "this may be good time to start..." <- But then I miss all the messages overnight, unless I leave my computer on
15:55:31<gamer191-1|m><OrIdow6> "I would've thought the Matrix..." <- It is
15:55:31<gamer191-1|m>But similar to Mastodon, Matrix allows you to create an account on any server and then use it on any other server
15:56:01<@arkiver>matrix should fix that then!
15:56:20<@arkiver>gamer191-1|m: perhaps you could look into connecting through a machine that is always on
15:56:43<@arkiver>at Hetzner you could rent something for a few bucks per month, but you'd need to set it up
15:56:51<@arkiver>maybe someone has a good guide (should we make one if not?)
15:57:31<gamer191-1|m>arkiver: Fix what? I'm confused
15:57:46<@OrIdow6>arkiver: I don't think I'd support a Discord bridge but I want to be pragmatic with this, we throw out "use Matrix if you have trouble" a lot, and looking at the sidebar of this room a lot of people end up using it, I'd hate to deny them access
15:58:03<@JAA>> we throw out "use Matrix if you have trouble" a lot
15:58:09<@JAA>Do we? I don't think we've ever endorsed it before.
15:58:10<@OrIdow6>Setting up a bouncer is a big effort for someone who doesn't know what a folder is
15:58:29<@OrIdow6>(Not saying that gamer... is, just that this happens)
15:59:41<@OrIdow6>JAA: Huh, I guess we haven't, I thought it was mentioned in the wiki
15:59:56<@JAA>The wiki doesn't mention Matrix anywhere either as far as I can tell. The discussion about moving from EFnet to hackint does have this gem though:
15:59:59<@JAA>> Here's hoping for Matrix to mature in the coming months
16:00:02<@OrIdow6>It goes get thrown around a lot tho and again, I just want to be pragmatic
16:00:02<@JAA>That was added in 2021. :-)
16:00:04<@arkiver>i have never recommended matrix either, maybe it's on the wiki in which case a warning/note should be added
16:00:20<gamer191-1|m>arkiver: Nah, I could easily figure it out (although I'm not gonna cause it's a waste of a server and I can just communicate using eggdrop)
16:00:30<@OrIdow6>gamer191-1|m: But if you join like #scratchtheitch:hackint.org , that doesn't work?
16:00:55<@JAA>At least one Matrix user is in the channel, so it should be possible to join.
16:01:02<@OrIdow6>It sounds as if all channels in Matrix are in one huge global namespace, but I thought it should be by-server
16:01:08<gamer191-1|m>OrIdow6: No, cause there's some weird issue with that specific channel
16:01:22<Vokun>I have no idea how i came across matrix, but the ease of setting up made me deal with all the bugs till recently
16:01:28<Vokun>Now i'm questioning whether I want to keep it
16:01:45<gamer191-1|m>JAA: Oh
16:01:45<gamer191-1|m>masterx244 how did you do that?
16:01:59<gamer191-1|m>OrIdow6: It is by-server
16:02:06<@imer>gamer191-1|m: hexa managed to join earlier, so it's possible to somehow
16:03:16<@arkiver>gamer191-1|m: i would say it's not a waste of a server, because Archive Team is worth it :)
16:03:28<@imer>"<hexa_> but note that I sometimes use !join in the appservice DM" not sure what that means, but maybe that helps
16:05:18<gamer191-1|m>imer: Oh wow, that does work
16:05:23<@OrIdow6>It'd be nice if we had some kind of bouncer to send other people to
16:05:29<@OrIdow6>*new people
16:05:34<@OrIdow6>Maybe that can only join AT channels
16:06:03<gamer191-1|m>For anyone else, if you wanna access #scratchtheitch:hackint.org on Matrix DM appservice-irc with the text "!join #scratchtheitch:hackint.org"
16:07:54<Vokun>Been trying different versions of that since I saw them mention it, but it asks for a certain format. '!join irc.example.com #channel [key]'
16:08:38<gamer191-1|m>Nope, I just sent !join #scratchtheitch
16:09:18<Vokun>Interesting. it works fine when I copy paste what you put, but not when i typed it
16:10:27<@arkiver>and there we almost moved the channel to something else due to a buggy matrix problem
16:11:39<ineffyble>Something that's a bit easier to do than a bouncer is Quassel
16:11:52<ineffyble>For individual users I mean, not hosting a shared one
16:12:06<gamer191-1|m>Thanks everyone for the help btw
16:13:15<h2ibot>JustAGrook edited Talk:Goo.gl (+225): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56627&oldid=56603
16:14:15<h2ibot>JustAGrook created Hungary (+181, Created page with "{{Infobox Country…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Hungary
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16:24:39<@arkiver>looking into sketch.piciv.net for the upcoming deadline next month
16:24:46<@arkiver>goo.gl is already covered
16:25:07<@arkiver>"sjwaampop" put in ArchiveBot
16:26:33<@arkiver>blog.goo.ne.jp will start early due to size, same channel as the previous goo stuff, #itsgoone
16:27:17<@arkiver>same for oshiete.goo.ne.jp , seems to be ~14 million sequentially numbered questions.
16:27:59<@arkiver>ranking.goo.ne.jp seems small, putting it in ArchiveBot
16:30:28<@arkiver>(it's already running - thanks Exorcism )
16:35:28<@JAA>sketch.pixiv.net* and I guess we can reuse #pixeled for that.
16:36:09<@arkiver>yes let's reuse that
16:37:08<@arkiver>deathwatch is actually looking a bit empty towards the end of the year, first half was very full
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16:43:29<@imer>ssshh :p
16:44:16<nicolas17>^
16:44:40<@arkiver>:P
16:46:34<hexagonwin_>i've tried to write a proper wget-lua based scraper on my own, but I can't really understand how lol. For now I've written down some information required for scraping this site here <http://p.z80.kr/tistory_archiveteam.html>. Maybe should I create a wiki page? Any advice is appreciated..
16:50:49<@arkiver>hexagonwin_: nice detailed page! you mention the sequential ID for each blog, did you find a way to get the blog URL given a sequential ID?
16:51:20<hexagonwin_>arkiver: thanks for the reply. it's not a sequential ID for each blog, it's for each post and that's not really important since it's all on sitemap.xml anyway.
16:51:52<@arkiver>if there's not too many and the homepages can be easily scanned, it may be good to do a periodic scan over all blog and check which ones are nearing the 5 year mark, and get those into ArchiveBot
16:52:20<@arkiver>hexagonwin_: i see, so the sequential IDs are per-site instances, instead of a shared sequential ID across all sites?
16:52:40<hexagonwin_>it's hard to know which blogs are hitting the 5 year mark, some blogs are not updated for more than a decade (at least publicly) yet still remain.
16:53:02<@arkiver>those should be archived then, we could just check the date of the latest post on the front page
16:53:05<hexagonwin_>i'm not sure what you mean by the sequential post id being per-site?
16:53:43<hexagonwin_>also, is archivebot capable of archiving things loaded by js or modifying image url to get the best version?
16:54:04<@arkiver>i'm talking about
16:54:07<@arkiver>> Though, the numeric ID (110838 for cdmanii) can be found from the mobile page
16:54:21<@arkiver>is that a numeric ID for the entire blog? or indeed per post?
16:54:28<hexagonwin_>that's the ID for that blog.
16:54:33<@arkiver>ah
16:54:41<@arkiver>is there a way to get the blog when you have only the ID?
16:54:47<@arkiver>(i did not check yet myself)
16:54:51<hexagonwin_>I'm not aware of any way of getting the blog username from that ID.
16:55:12<hexagonwin_>tbh i think i've already found enough blog usernames actually
16:56:37<hexagonwin_>just checked now and it's 661133 usernames, not verified. i'm keep running the checker script, 142676 of 652791 done right now and the valid:invalid ratio is about 3:1
16:57:21<hexagonwin_>assuming that's all right we get a list of about 0.5M actually existing blogs
16:58:59<@arkiver>hexagonwin_: perhaps an old project like the one for retrospring-grab https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/retrospring-grab/blob/master/retrospring.lua can be interesting for wget-lua code
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17:02:09<hexagonwin_>arkiver: thanks. may i ask how i can test-run those scripts? i've tried running some after editing with --lua-script but I get errors related to not being able to load the utf8 module.. is there some recommended environment to test them? should i install warrior and get shell on it?
17:03:41<@arkiver>there are several Lua dependencies, of course
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17:06:59<hexagonwin_>i've searched and some says utf8 is included with lua5.3, tried installing https://github.com/starwing/luautf8 anyway but doesn't work. i'm actually not even sure which lua wget-at is using lol (my system seems to have 5.1, 5.3 and luajit2.1)
17:07:03<@arkiver>those currently being installed and available are https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-base-df/blob/master/rocks/requirements-0-0.rockspec#L11-L23
17:07:17<@arkiver>you need 5.1
17:08:33<hexagonwin_>my wget-at --version seems to indicate it's linked with luajit, is it built wrong? https://termbin.com/z3c1
17:10:44<@arkiver>that would be libluajit-5.1 , basically the luajit version of lua5.1
17:16:26<@arkiver>hexagonwin_: i will be off for ~9 hours. on your question of AB, js and custom image URLs, generally no, but please provide examples of this js and the images.
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17:17:12<@arkiver>in the case of the images you could get a list of their arhcived URL afterwards from the ArchiveBot CDX on IA, generate new image URLs from that and archive those
17:17:23<@arkiver>small custom scripts may also be something i want to support in #Y
17:17:33<@arkiver>more on that tomorrow
17:18:05<hexagonwin_>arkiver: for js i meant comments/guestbook and images i've already written on that page. anyway, thanks :)
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18:52:39<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Itch.io (+130, /* Site structure notes */ Downloadableness): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56629&oldid=56624
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19:05:00<gamer191-1|m>Don’t think so (I remember that being an issue for the usgovernment project)
19:06:17<gamer191-1|m>Stupid Mattix😡. Anyway, that was a reply to nicolas17 `I think the server supports more complicated limits, like "if the item name starts with X then use a lower limit for those"`
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19:21:52<@JAA>Replies don't render well on the IRC side anyway. It's better to reference what you're replying to.
19:22:11<@JAA>And yes, the tracker does support such things, it just doesn't scale well, which is why we didn't use it on that project.
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22:26:04<Webuser566891>spanish webforum ejde.net is closing down at the end of the month. After 4 years and 4 months, but it was the sucessor of zonaforo meristation, which was created decades ago. Maybe it should be saved
22:30:02<pokechu22>I'll start an archivebot job. unfortunately https://www.ejde.net/core/xmlsitemap.php (from robots.txt) seems to be broken :/
22:30:41<pokechu22>ugh, they're using cloudflare with TLS fingerprinting; we can't save it with archivebot :|
22:33:17<Webuser566891>:(
22:33:32<Webuser566891>maybe they could be told to disable that option? dunno
22:34:17<h2ibot>Pokechu22 edited Deathwatch (+230, /* 2025 */ https://www.ejde.net/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56630&oldid=56602
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