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01:16:07<Dango360>https://urbanshade.org/ big controversy with the lead dev of this game which might cause the website to go down
01:16:15<Dango360>https://old.reddit.com/r/PressureRoblox/ the subreddit too
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01:39:27<@JAA>I don't think we need [[Template:Found]]. If an archive was discovered at a later time, we can just use [[Template:Saved]] (probably with an explanation in the page text).
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05:16:26<Doranwen>My compatriot in archiving fandom, Maggie, wants to know what happened with Angelfire - if there were any archiving efforts. She bids me ask since I'm on IRC and she isn't, lol.
05:18:35<pokechu22>Doranwen: Yes, https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Angelfire #angelonfire
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06:47:16<@arkiver>klea: justauser: are we running the cbs lists through ArchiveBot?
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08:27:34<Webuser092785>this might be offtopic, but if one could volunteer to kindly suggest that the RedoxOS book be available in zim/pdf format for offline use, would be hihly appreciated
08:28:11<Webuser092785>*highly
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10:10:02<klea>I think they aren't running on AB.
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10:20:57<pabs>klea: started a job for https://warmedal.se/ and will add a job for the gemini site if the main job doesn't find ~wobbly/browser.cgi
10:21:22<pabs>kline: see the wiki for SmolNet stuff btw https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/SmolNet
10:28:45<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+102, Queued /forum.malleable.systems): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60957&oldid=60926
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10:31:04<@arkiver>so we have cloudflare, ddos-guard, anubis, does anyone know of others including examples?
10:32:00<klea>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Obstacles
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10:32:52<klea>pabs: I wonder if AB will resolve the inter-proto links in a relative way instead.
10:34:12<pabs>depends on what browser.cgi does I guess. the wpull log will contain any gemini:// links IIRC
10:35:46<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+95, Queued forum.dmx.berlin): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60959&oldid=60957
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10:49:48<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (-47, Queued lists.infradead.org/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60960&oldid=60203
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10:50:57<pabs>Dango360: queued in #wikibot
10:52:42<c3manu>hmm..why does the name infradead ring a bell for me?
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10:54:03<pabs>c3manu: IIRC that hosts OpenSSH stuff
10:54:58<pabs>hmm, nope, thats mindrot
10:55:56<@arkiver>thanks klea
10:56:12<c3manu>hm, i think it might be the barebox list actually
10:56:29<c3manu>that's vaguely related to a previous job
10:56:30<pabs>Dango360: also in #archivebot, but the wikibot job is probably not needed, because miraheze does dumps
10:57:49<kline>pabs, thank you. I'm looking at writing some tools that will more easily allow us to crawl and archive gemini to start with and then see what to do from there
10:58:49<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (+14, Lost lists.grok.org.uk): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60961&oldid=60960
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11:15:52<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (-2766, Queued listserv.ovgu.de): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60963&oldid=60961
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12:48:02<pabs>kline: see the wiki, some tools already exist and were used for WARC-based crawls in like 2007. but obviously that wasn't standardised WARC
12:48:36<pabs>and of course none of the tools AT generally uses have gemini/etc support
12:51:44<justauser>I wonder how hard it is to get a copy of Delorean Time Machine...
12:52:18<pabs>probably wget-at would be best, then we could do a DPoS based crawl of the entire SmolNet, and refresh sites regularly, since some protocols might have modification dates in file listings
12:53:56<justauser>Curl does gopher and there are regular motions to support Gemini. Wget doesn't.
12:54:19<justauser>And Wget's URL extractor is unlikely to be helpful there, other than reusing some framework.
12:55:09<justauser>No good idea on what would be harder: retrofitting Wget with new protocols or cURL with WARC.
12:55:38<pabs>curl doesn't do WARC, except in an abandoned fork
12:56:42<pabs>I would say don't do curl/wget, but wget-at (or maybe wpull)
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12:59:14<pabs>most of these protocols aren't very complex, so adding them shouldn't be much work I would guess
12:59:24<pabs>standardisation is probably the main issue
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13:05:01<klea>Also, is there any interest in having a project specifically for archiving RSS feeds?
13:05:25<klea>I consider it might be good to do it in a proper way rather than shove rss/atom urls into #// and do uncoditional polls.
13:05:57<klea>But that might require some engineering in how to handle it, since outlinks could/should go into urls if useful.
13:06:27<justauser>Meh. Probably requires too much state at tracker.
13:06:31<Dango360>thanks for adding the wikis to ab and wikibot pabs! it might also be a good idea to get the fandom wiki as well (though i imagine that they're are harder to archive?) https://pressure.fandom.com/wiki/Pressure_Wiki
13:06:43<justauser>Certainly doable.
13:07:00<justauser>They have some peculiarities, but Wikibot grabs them.
13:08:07<h2ibot>TripleCamera edited Save The Web Project (+303, /* External links */ update wiki link): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60964&oldid=60909
13:11:19<justauser>Dango360: Running in WB.
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13:18:08<h2ibot>Justauser edited Discourse/active (+63, Added https://community.shopify.com/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60965&oldid=60928
13:28:06<justauser>Session is shutting down in 90 days. https://getsession.org/donate
13:28:32<justauser>Probably kind of inactionable, but please someone check for stuff like Telegram's channels.
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14:57:24<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (-53, Queued lists.reproducible-builds.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60967&oldid=60963
14:58:27<klea>> For now, volunteers will keep Session afloat for as long as possible. If you believe you can help Session before time runs out, please reach out to [email protected].
14:58:40<klea>Thank you, I will be able to reach them if you use things that won't let me load it.
15:02:25<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (-59, "Lost" mail.jabber.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60968&oldid=60967
15:03:25<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailing Lists (+25, mail.jabber.org uses Mailman 3): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60969&oldid=60783
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16:10:40<kline><justauser> Curl does gopher and there are regular motions to support Gemini. Wget doesn't.
16:10:57<kline>i think with the adoption curve of gemini, curl is unlikely to add suport
16:11:38<klea>Well, afaik mostly the issue surounds around the happy problem of gemini doing tls, and doing a thing called TOFU.
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16:16:38<kline>I thought the issue was that bagder didnt want to implement and maintain a new protocol himself (and so would only adopt it if it was written and received maintenance by someone else), but no one credibly stepped up
16:17:45<kline>I think "peak gemini interest" is over (rightly or wrongly), and so the rate of new users is dropping. if there are few new users, and none of the established users have made a credible attempt to implement it, it's unlikely they're suddenly going to implement it now
16:19:41<kline>put another way: almost all gemini users have used gemini for a decent time now. if theyve not wanted to do this work previously, why would they change their minds and start now?
16:22:50<klea>Oh yeah, I thought the issue surounded the TOFU but also that, no devs.
16:23:05<klea>(Further reading for those interested: https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/11170 https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/6261 )
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17:01:17<@JAA>arkiver: justice.gov has Akamai's challenge on many pages. Vercel also has a challenge, but I don't have examples handy.
17:11:42<pokechu22>arkiver: e.g. https://www.justice.gov/epstein triggers the akamai challenge initially
17:23:54<@JAA>PyPI has a Fastly challenge: https://pypi.org/project/wpull/
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17:59:17steering wonders the context of the bot guards
17:59:28<steering>https://git.gammaspectra.live/git/go-away/wiki/Challenges
18:01:15<justauser>I suppose arkiver want to teach Wpull/Wget-at/something recognize those challenges and try workarounds.
18:06:07<steering>ah yeah its already on the wiki page
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18:32:02<Nekroschizofrenetyk>Regarding the Archiwum Allegro failed project: there is a website https://archiwumalle.pl/ which has kept the records of Archiwum Allegro records , I think between 2012 and 2015
18:32:58<justauser>Fun.
18:35:19<Nekroschizofrenetyk>https://allegropoland.blogspot.com/ this (SEO?) blog has presumably had also leeched some pages off AA bween 2020 and 2021
18:36:11<justauser>Already grabbed by #frogger, FWIW.
18:36:34<Nekroschizofrenetyk>yeah, I guess so, the blogger job has been very efficient
18:57:04<pokechu22>arkiver: https://www.containerstore.com/ has something called PerimterX - it serves its challenge on a 307 with no Location header though
18:59:54<justauser>https://www.bunkerweb.io/ isn't on the list, though the main trouble I had with it is simple IP blocking, not sophisticated bot detection.
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