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00:11:09<h2ibot>Petchea created Talk:Archive.today (+390, /* Blocked websites? */ new section): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Talk%3AArchive.today
00:15:22<Yakov>Someone should really archive archive.today
00:15:41<Yakov>they have a lot of content which wayback doesn't have the ability to archive
00:15:54<Yakov>and the guy that runs it seems very sketchy
00:17:31<Yakov>if you want to see what im referring to checkout the drive link sent in the comments here https://blog.archive.today/post/724764983153557504/hi-there-tl1pg-is-not-being-captured-properly
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00:57:12<pabs>justauser|m arkiver - re TuxFamily, please make public at least the log of all URL requests (for both #Y and the DNS forgery job) and any offsite links going into #// - need to feed those into other stuff like SWH, #codearchiver, #gitgud, #flaming-lists, #msgbored, #wikibot etc
00:57:50<pabs>Yakov: maybe send a urls-sources PR to include the RSS and sitemap at least on #// ?
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01:00:17<pabs>justauser|m: re TuxFamily, I suggest doing DNS requests on all the custom domains up front, to see which are NXDOMAIN, which are hosted on TuxFamily and which are hosted externally. then split those up into separate jobs.
01:03:09<pabs>justauser|m arkiver - re TuxFamily: also, you definitely need to automatically add subdirs, for every URL, on both the custom jobs and the #Y jobs
01:06:47<pokechu22>"add subdirs" as in look for open directories by stripping everything after / right?
01:09:12<pabs>DogsRNice: what do you mean by unclude?
01:10:05<pokechu22>pabs: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57655&oldid=57653
01:10:13<pabs>pokechu22: yeah, recursively until you get to just the domain. I tend to run this repeatedly if I have URL lists. sed -E 's@/[^/]+/?$@/@'
01:11:04<pabs>ah :)
01:11:05<pokechu22>Yeah, I do similar things too
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01:28:14<pabs>justauser|m: re TuxFamily: TBH, I do think we need the manual approach too, sometimes you notice things that wouldn't be found in an automated grab
01:28:41<pabs>(but of course the automated stuff is a good idea)
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02:52:36<h2ibot>PaulWise edited ArchiveBot (+1384, edit and expand sitemap trick /cc c3manu pokechu22): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57657&oldid=57655
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03:19:39<h2ibot>PaulWise edited ArchiveBot (+23, typo): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57658&oldid=57657
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03:46:43<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Talk:Archive.today (+218): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57659&oldid=57656
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07:53:01<mannie>I want to pitch a archive job/project for the Dutch animal farm websites
07:54:19<mannie>The goverment in the Netherlands is buying a lot of animal farms that are near nature. this means that if the farmer sells it farm they need to close there farm and with that there company.
07:55:18<mannie>the list with farms that will be bought is not public but it can be geussed. since it are hunders if not over a thousand farms I came up with 3 methods to do this:
07:55:48<mannie>1: look in the news for articles and interviews for farm(er)s that are bought up
07:56:09<mannie>2: look in the business registor and archive all animal farm websites
07:57:08<mannie>3: a veriantion on 2. look in the registor and and use a script to see if it is in the area's and archive then every thing (just to be shore).
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08:14:24<cruller>According to https://www.rvo.nl/subsidies-financiering/lbv-plus, the list about Lbv-plus will be available.
08:18:55<mannie>cruller You are right it will be made public after 6 months
08:23:13<mannie>Now we have found the list that will be public in the feature. How go we do this? dpos or archivebot?
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08:39:54<@arkiver>mannie: it may be nice to put that in #archivebot yeah!
08:40:49<mannie>I will do arkiver
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08:48:47<c3manu>arkiver: haha, i send them here because mannie said he wanted to discuss a project ;)
08:49:06<c3manu>not sure there's anything to do on that yet?
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09:01:56<@arkiver>c3manu: it could be something for #Y eventually
09:02:05<@arkiver>but i think the big part here is finding the websites
09:02:18<@arkiver>the websites themselves are probably not huge, and easily done with #archivebot
09:02:36<@arkiver>finding the sites is not really something easily done with a Warrior project
09:02:52<@arkiver>though... one option could be to go through all known .nl sites and scan the web pages for certain terms
09:03:05<@arkiver>any ideas/opinions on that? ^
09:11:32<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (+53, Lost lists.hohndel.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57660&oldid=57654
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09:59:29<c3manu>arkiver: that's what got me confused..there are none to archive yet as i understood it
10:03:40<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse (+49, Active Discourses: Add NGINX Community): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57661&oldid=57628
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10:26:47<cruller>mannie c3manu arkiver SA.106555(Lbv) and SA.111058 are also State aids similar to SA.106559(Lbv-plus).
10:28:40<cruller>According to https://www.rvo.nl/onderwerpen/lbv-plus-actueel, 1,576 farms are affected by Lbv(-plus). I don't know how many of them have websites, though.
10:29:05<cruller>According to https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/eu-commission-dutch-scheme-livestock-farms-closed-700m/, this series of schemes appears to continue until at least 2029.
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10:43:13<cruller>Btw https://www.energia.ru/ is currently accessible outside of Russia. (I'm reading https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Distributed_recursive_crawls)
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10:59:58Topic: Lengthy ArchiveTeam-related discussions, questions here | Offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1069715869994020867
10:59:58Topic set by AlsoJAA at 2025-09-09 18:44:47Z
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12:25:12<justauser|m>Yakov: People who run things like this without having a huge legal dept are necessarily sketchy.
12:25:16<justauser|m>But indeed we should try to make a copy.
12:25:20<justauser|m>pabs: I'll be uploading the CDX file, should I do something extra? Some SQL query, perhaps?
12:25:25<justauser|m>I'm explicitly ignoring external hosting.
12:25:29<justauser|m>If something is no longer on Tuxfamily, it's not endangered thus not interesting.
12:25:33<justauser|m>If they migrated, I want a copy of whatever was left.
12:25:35<justauser|m>You are welcome to continue with manualities. I'll post on start/finish.
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13:10:54<c3manu>cruller: thanks re www.energia.ru
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13:32:19<justauser|m>Re: Arquivo.pt, it looks like something to ask the official IA about?
13:32:52<justauser|m>On the one hand, it's dangerously close to "don't upload huge datasets easily available elsewhere".
13:33:15<justauser|m>On the other hand, it can be a serious enhancement of Wayback.
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13:34:20<c3manu>https://ext.energia.ru/ doesn't seem to work though. yandex has a bunch of stuff indexed for it, but AB and I are getting a 403
13:34:43<justauser|m>Like they already did with CC.
13:35:50<pabs>justauser|m: the wpull log I guess if using that?
13:39:10<@arkiver>justauser|m: no need for the CDX file if you're uploading the WARC
13:39:33<@arkiver>justauser|m: what is this about arquivo?
13:41:02<justauser|m>A discussion a couple of days ago, https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Arquivo.pt
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13:44:55<@arkiver>justauser|m: i don't see much discussion there
13:45:07<@arkiver>the articles mentions they indeed upload to IA sometimes
13:45:40<@arkiver>what is the question/discussion?
13:47:41<justauser|m>I can't find mentions that they do.
13:48:04<justauser|m>So the quenstion is, should someone do it for them, at a regular basis?
13:51:07<@arkiver>justauser|m: no
13:51:40<@arkiver>also i see uploads there of an account named "Daniel Gomes" and he seems to be part of Arquivo https://sobre.arquivo.pt/en/about/team/daniel-gomes-head-of-arquivo-pt/
13:51:48<@arkiver>they're well aware of this, they'll upload if they want to
13:52:27<@arkiver>if you upload instead of them, it will not be part of the arquivo collection, but will be seen as third party uploads, not end up in the Wayback Machine
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13:54:38<justauser|m>Not "I", I don't have that much resources either way.
14:00:28<@arkiver>i think that the moment they're well aware of this, since their last uploads to the collection were this year
14:01:01<@arkiver>if the collection gets outdated by, say, 2 years, while arquivo.pt remains active, perhaps someone could ping them to ask if they plan on continuing to upload to IA
14:03:50<justauser|m>I probably missed that. Fine then.
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17:29:36<justauser|m><Larsenv> ryz pokechu22 https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1o93axo/hp_will_remove_perfectly_good_documentation_for/
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17:31:31<Larsenv>justauser|m ?
17:31:56<justauser|m>Yeah?
17:32:09<Larsenv>why did you quote my message?
17:32:25<justauser|m>-bs is a slightly better place for such things.
17:32:44<Larsenv>agreed
17:32:48<justauser|m>I think it's not quite the level of #archiveteam.
17:33:16<justauser|m>But not everybody can fish announcements out of #archivebot.
17:39:55<pokechu22>And, hp.com uses akamai which makes it problematic to run in #archivebot (though running akamai sites directly sometimes works; it's more of an issue for when they're discovered offsite for some reason). I remember HP's docs also being scattered all over the place and on some servers that only work via http, not https
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19:16:11<cruller>Google will launch "A new platform, Google Skills, that will bring together nearly 3,000 courses and labs in one place — including content from across Google Cloud, Google DeepMind, Grow with Google and Google for Education." (a quote from https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/training-certifications/google-skills-new-home-AI-learning?hl=en)
19:16:58<cruller>In other words, that content will almost certainly go behind a login wall.
19:17:51<dendory>And be mostly powered by AI.
19:18:43<cruller>https://cloud.google.com/resources/offers/skill-up-in-ai says that "the platform goes live later this month".
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22:36:10<BlankEclair>req to archivehttps://www.bom.gov.au/: "The Bureau's new website is scheduled to go live on Wednesday 22 October 2025. Explore the new website today at beta.bom.gov.au."
22:36:34<BlankEclair>it does have anti-scraping protection tho >_>
22:39:56<pokechu22>I've queued an archivebot job, but if it does run into scraping protection I'll not worry about it. That said the australian government is pretty good about web archival (https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20241231230302/http://www.bom.gov.au/ from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Web_Archive which also gets mirrored on archive.org IIRC)
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