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05:35:40<@arkiver>cruller: yours is good... but #peingpong :P do you agree with that one?
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05:48:54<cruller>Yes, that's very good!
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07:01:41<masterx244|m>pokechu22: lower zoom tiles don't exist but we could abuse the linked heatmap to work something out to prioritize "hot" areas. too bad we can't warrior it. spreading it over a few hundred IPs would result in pretty quick sweeps
07:02:25<masterx244|m>(which would allow a "timelapse" by repeatedly saving the canvas since those pixelcanvases also have a time axis on how stuff happens)
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11:27:45<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited .ua (-1, on hiatus): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57066&oldid=55230
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11:37:25<steering>ok thats cool, someone drew the local high school mascot on wplace, also a big statue of a penguin as you enter town
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12:16:00<that_lurker>I wonder how much the owner made because of the crypto used
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13:18:02<Stargazers>Hello! Can somebody help me with Posterous backups what are made years ago by Arhive Team?
13:18:20<Stargazers>What I am keen to know is a) is there more snapshots/backups on those WARC files than what can be found on webui of archive.org b) If there is, how I can identify that on what file my blog posts might be
13:19:08<Stargazers>I already downloaded one 50.4 GB file, but it had no my blog backups on that file at least (extracted the file and used ReplayWeb.page to find the blog). Since there is lots of other huge files, of course I can downlaod them all one by one, but is there better way
13:19:44<Stargazers>Eg. can I figure out somehow what domains are backed up on what on those files so I do not need to download them all and try to search after that?
13:20:10<Stargazers>+ is it even worth it, eg. does those files contain only the same snapshots what can be found on archive.org web site search, or is there more snapshots on those WARC files
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13:22:58<TheTechRobo>Yeah, all the snapshots we got should be on the Wayback Machine at web.archive.org. (Make sure you're using the Wayback Machine to search and not the general archive.org search.)
13:23:26<anonymoususer852>There are several WARCs, as far as I can see, https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_posterous and the grab source may reveal more, https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/posterous-grab
13:23:43<@OrIdow6>anonymoususer852: I don't see how grab source would help with that
13:23:45<anonymoususer852>This page should explain the crawl, https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Posterous
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13:24:49<@OrIdow6>But yeah there is no need to download the WARC files yourself Stargazers, those are exactly what it serverd from web.archive.org
13:25:43<Stargazers>Oh, ok! Thank you, then that saves me a lot of time because on archive site I didn't find much stuff, only couple of snapshots
13:26:57<Stargazers>Well, no can do. Data is mostly gone then unless some miracle happen and I find some snapshot of my old servers or emails what I have used to send my blog posts to posterous. Probably not. It was still worth trying! :)
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13:27:13<@OrIdow6>Stargazers: The wiki page says that the grab was complete
13:27:25<Stargazers>Hmm?
13:27:36<Stargazers>https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/stargazers.posterous.com here I can find only couple of snapshots and only short parts of posts
13:27:46<Stargazers>Or... do I use this somehow wrong way
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13:28:10<anonymoususer852>At least there's hints of domain names that were included, https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/posterous-grab/blob/master/pipeline.py#L254C1-L254C238
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13:29:00<Stargazers>https://web.archive.org/web/*/stargazers.posterous.com/* also when I search here, I can see lots of image/png only and not much stuff.
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13:29:54<@OrIdow6>Looking
13:30:30<Stargazers>I find some snapshots of the front page, but only couple so there is only small amount of data what I can find.
13:32:08<@OrIdow6>I wasn't on Posterous but it's normal for blogs to have a previous/next page button on the front page, I don't see one in the snapshot of your homepage though
13:32:29<Stargazers>I can see those Next/prev but when I press those -> those are not archived
13:32:38<Stargazers>https://web.archive.org/web/20100928211005/http://stargazers.posterous.com/ for example here
13:32:41<Stargazers>On bottom of the page
13:32:56<Stargazers>Next does goes to page what does not exists
13:32:57<@OrIdow6>This https://web.archive.org/web/20130404142459/http://stargazers.posterous.com/#expand was the capture that ArchiveTeam made, thats's what the grab script saw
13:33:04<Stargazers>Or number 2 as well
13:33:42<Stargazers>Let me see
13:34:00<@OrIdow6>Seems as if all but 2 posts somehow disappeared between 2011 and 2013? Or there's some weird UI thing that's not replaying back
13:34:34<Stargazers>Yeah. But on older snapshot there was more posts I was able to save at least.
13:34:48<Stargazers>Mmh, can't remember if I have deleted those or maybe just broken UI, hard to say.
13:35:09<Stargazers>I moved my blog to own platform and learnt important lession "if you don't host it, you can lose it" :D
13:36:21<Stargazers>Glad that I have learnt that long time ago so I don't have stored all my photos and all important stuff in the cloud where somebody else takes responsibility for hosting it, but it would have been just cool to find all of the old posts and store them to current blog.
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13:39:58<@OrIdow6>Stargazers: I do see that a few other HTML pages got saved, eg https://web.archive.org/web/20101001102755/http://stargazers.posterous.com:80/tag/n900
13:40:16<Stargazers>Ooh! Good idea, I can check with tags as well!
13:40:17<@OrIdow6>https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://stargazers.posterous.com/* and then search for "html" once it loads
13:40:29<Stargazers>All right, thank you! Gotta take a look :)
13:40:43<@OrIdow6>Not many tags sadly, but a few other things
13:41:14<Stargazers>Well, at least it is something! Surely those have not much value except for me personally that "this is the history of my blog" kind of style.
13:45:07<anonymoususer852>You could try just filter for 'html', https://web.archive.org/web/*/stargazers.posterous.com/* looks like there's 6 pages that aren't tags.
13:45:40<Stargazers>Yeah, I am just looking with that "html" filtering. Thanks!
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13:47:06<Stargazers>Ooo! My review about Pride and Prejudice is there! Wheee :D
13:47:23<Stargazers>Interesting to read about 15 years later what I have thought back in the days
13:49:20<anonymoususer852>Positive attitude, a good thing to be honest. I recall there were some who simply wishes to not be remembered by WBM, and they're listed on Wikipedia.
13:49:45<Stargazers>Oh
13:50:35<Stargazers>Well, I still write a blog and it is my personal hobby so it is kind of my "public history". I have been what I have been, no need to be ashamed, it was written on public Internet and therefore it can still be there.
13:52:57<anonymoususer852>For the vocal ones, I suppose there's no separation between a public space and a private one. That is, they reveal their private stuff online, only to realize they regret what they said, and would try to do whatever to have it not remembered by the likes of WBM.
13:53:38<justauser|m>The local wiki certainly has a list of known Wayback-excluded websites.
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13:54:35<Stargazers>Yeah. Surely I have also written on my blog stuff what is I would not anymore would write about because my life values have change, I have found Christ, I have grown as an adult and so on, but I would not start censoring those afterwards. If I would find my old blog posts what goes against my values nowadays, I guess I would still publish those since those have been on public internet anyway.
13:55:20<Stargazers>IMO it is just a healthy that we can see our past, admit that well, at least I am not thinking that way anymore :D
13:55:59<Stargazers>Accepting the reality of life is better than trying to hide and deny it, at least on this kind of stuff when nothing was illegal, just something what I would not do anymore.
13:56:44<Stargazers>What is Local Wiki?
13:57:41<anonymoususer852>That sort of good mentality is quickly eroding away on modern internet. I recall reading on Wikipedia there's a company who published (something like) malware, and because they went defunct, they demanded WBM to delist it off the public web.
13:57:59<Stargazers>O.o
13:58:07<anonymoususer852>Not sure, I guess justauser|m is referring to AT's wiki.
13:58:16<Stargazers>Well, modern internet went to crap anyway when normies found it :D
13:58:25<anonymoususer852>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/List_of_websites_excluded_from_the_Wayback_Machine
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13:59:18<Stargazers>Thanks, let me see
14:00:07<Stargazers>Whoah that is a long list
14:00:50<Stargazers>"*news*" what are requested to not to capture, nothing gives me more confident that they are speaking the truth than wanting to not to be archieved :P
14:01:19<anonymoususer852>"In 2018, archives of stalkerware application FlexiSpy's website were removed from the Wayback Machine. The company claimed to have contacted the Internet Archive, presumably to remove the archives of its website." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_Machine#FlexiSpy -- so no my mistake, a "stalkerware" not malware.
14:01:57<Stargazers>Heh, anyway same thing from the point of view of user - crap you don't want to
14:02:37<Stargazers>https://www.virtualapple.org/ interesting that why on earth this kind of pages are wanted to be not to archieved
14:04:44<anonymoususer852>There's a rising trend of websites using the likes of Anubis and/or are protected by cloudflare, probably trying to avoid AI scrapers. Not sure if that's the reason for that website though.
14:05:03<Stargazers>Oh, ok. What is Anubis in this context?
14:05:22<anonymoususer852>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Anubis
14:05:28<Stargazers>Thanks, let me see
14:06:14<Stargazers>Oh, interesting sounding software.
14:06:31<anonymoususer852>I personally consider the likes of Anubis, an evolved version of site-wide captcha, i.e. prove that you're not a human by answering a few questions.
14:06:44<anonymoususer852>s/human/bot/
14:07:30<justauser|m>Most of the Anubis deployments are just trying to get rid of the overload, not deprive AI of learning material.
14:07:37<Stargazers>What do you think what will happen when in future more countries except people to "prove they are human" by sending passport or so?
14:07:46<anonymoususer852>There's also this, https://www.wired.com/story/cloudflare-blocks-ai-crawlers-default/ which was posted sometime ago.
14:07:47<justauser|m>But some websites are of that nature.
14:08:12<justauser|m>Reddit apparently wants to sell its data instead of having it taken for free.
14:08:56<Stargazers>Cloudflare is also quite shady somehow
14:09:30<Stargazers>At least if those what I have read is true, they have removed some imageboards or so some time ago
14:09:59<Stargazers>Just scary to think how much nowadays Internet is centralized for normal average Joe
14:10:13<Stargazers>Easier to add censorship at least
14:10:49<anonymoususer852>In short, there's not a single reason why certain website owners do not wish their content(s) to be scraped. The sad reality.
14:11:16<Stargazers>All right. Thanks, interesting to hear that there are at least multiple reasons.
14:12:49<anonymoususer852>Volunteers like you and I could help fight that trend, by running the Warrior client. :)
14:13:02<Stargazers>O.o never heard that client either :D
14:13:04<anonymoususer852>Or well just getting more involved in archiving.
14:13:29<Stargazers>I wish that people would start again to return more decentralized web
14:13:38<Stargazers>Enshittification is just too much nowadays
14:13:56<anonymoususer852>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior this link is available on AT's main page.
14:14:00<Stargazers>Small websites were the thing to fight against this current stupidity when wrong opinions can be closed just too easily
14:14:11<Stargazers>Ok, thanks, gotta see
14:14:38<justauser|m>While I don't like CF, they are just executing their freedom of business.
14:14:53<Stargazers>justauser|m: Agree
14:15:03<Stargazers>It is always choice of users if they want to use those services or not
14:15:07<justauser|m>They aren't even destroying data, like Google can do if it doesn't like you.
14:15:10<Stargazers>Just scary still how much power they hold
14:15:17<Stargazers>But surely, it is users who give the possibility
14:15:35<anonymoususer852>"Enshittification is just too much nowadays", humanity, what more do I need to say? then again I don't have anything positive to say what is essentially a corporate web in 2025. Not a free-for-all, but a web dominated by companies or otherwise influential individuals.
14:17:12<Stargazers>Yea
14:17:52<Stargazers>Glad that there is still sites like wiby.me and surely the sites what can be found with it
14:18:11<Stargazers>+ sites like neocities
14:20:45<anonymoususer852>I would have been at a loss, personally, if WBM hadn't existed. A lot of old software can still be found on WBM, albeit a painful process, but not a complete loss.
14:21:48<Stargazers>Oh, what kind of software for example?
14:22:19<anonymoususer852>lynx, the really old versions for instance.
14:22:34<Stargazers>Oh, that web browser?
14:22:52<Stargazers>Or some other software called Lynx
14:24:03<anonymoususer852>Yup, text-based web browser. Though the author does have it on Git(hub), but they didn't offer it in a way that it provides atomic changes, i.e. each version has the commit as that, instead of individual dates for each and every file.
14:25:07<Stargazers>I see. What kind of use cases are for older lynx versions?
14:25:25<anonymoususer852>Archival. :p lol.
14:25:49<Stargazers>:D
14:25:53<anonymoususer852>Trying to do my bit of preserving digital history, and trying to catalog it.
14:25:53<Stargazers>Ok :) Well, it is a reason
14:28:06<anonymoususer852>Another example is cromfs, but for grounds that the author no longer has publicly accessible git that they've listed. At least not accessible on my end.
14:28:27<Stargazers>Ok. Never heard about it before.
14:29:49<anonymoususer852>It's used for compressed file systems. I don't use it personally though, but it wouldn't make sense to document a software that used to exist in tarballs, and git, but only tarballs these days, and the author does not wish you to hammer their (personal) site, or you get IP banned.
14:31:10<Stargazers>Mm-m
14:32:17<Stargazers>It is interesting to see how I can't remember much of web pages anymore where I used to go when I was young.
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14:32:32<Stargazers>Google and other search tools just help us to become dumber and with worse memory
14:33:16<anonymoususer852>Not the only one, I am also having similar issues. Then again, it might also just be that Mandela effect.
14:33:56<Stargazers>People don't remember correctly?
14:35:03<anonymoususer852>Or things that used to exist, but are lost to the test of time, and that they are led to believe they have either misremembered or clearly forgotten it.
14:35:44<Stargazers>Maybe we remember later. :D
14:38:48<anonymoususer852>For me, it's often just me somehow misremembering things. Instead of really forgetting it. I should probably make use bookmarks and stuff, but oh well.
14:39:50<Stargazers>Yeah. Some things I also misremember, but some I just forget.
14:39:53<Stargazers>But that's life
14:39:59<justauser|m>This cromfs? https://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/cromfs.html
14:40:08<justauser|m>Claims to still have a git repo.
14:40:30<Stargazers>I now have started to take PDF exports of interesting news and store them to my own Raspberry Pi as a backup so I can be sure that they do not change the news later and/or remove the page and/or add paywall
14:40:45<anonymoususer852>That's it. That project is mentioned by the author of dwarfs, https://github.com/mhx/dwarfs?tab=readme-ov-file#with-cromfs
14:42:33<justauser|m>...but the repo in question is indeed broken.
14:43:37<anonymoususer852>Ah, glad I am not the only one. I thought I may have been somehow IP banned from their git repo.
14:45:10<justauser|m>On a quick glance they didn't kill git server intentionally, perhaps asking about that will work?
14:46:30<anonymoususer852>I'm reluctant to ask considering that they still offer tarballs, just that they ask you to not hammer their server.
14:46:57<anonymoususer852>s/tarballs/&\ and\ patches/
14:48:50<justauser|m>If they want their server unhammered, remind them that git:// is more efficient and doesn't attract bots.
14:50:18<anonymoususer852>Their site is mirrored on WBM. I ended up alternating between WBM and their site to avoid being IP banned, and to avoid asking.
14:51:30<justauser|m>Hey, look! A mirror! https://github.com/ru-ka/cromfs
14:51:32<justauser|m>Looks plausible, not just releases.
14:53:21<anonymoususer852>Thanks. I'll just add that in addition to the tarballs and stuff.
14:54:59<justauser|m>I'll try writing... if I can find the e-mail. After all, there is an entire page of stuff. And poke them into SWH if access is restored.
15:00:58<Stargazers>Anyway, gotta go again and continue doing other stuff, I'll just leave this on idle :) Thank you very much for help and saving me lots of time :)
15:01:01<anonymoususer852>Might be "Joel Yliluoma <joel.yliluoma@iki.fi>" looking at that mirrored repo's earliest git commit entries.
15:01:43<justauser|m>Moved to GitHub apparently - https://github.com/bisqwit/
15:03:26<anonymoususer852>I don't see it listed, certainly searching for "cromfs" returned no results.
15:03:40<justauser|m>Or bisqwit@iki.fi on one of the pages...
15:04:42<justauser|m>Seems responsive - https://www.reddit.com/r/TAS/comments/vvzx18/problems_downloading_animmerger/
15:05:00<justauser|m>If the site is hosted at home, that explains a lot...
15:05:08<anonymoususer852>That would be their updated contact email I assume. Whatever that was listed on their old git commit might no longer be used.
15:06:19<justauser|m>This one is on current CV.
15:06:33<justauser|m>That is, joel.
15:06:40<justauser|m>Cc'ed both.
15:07:47<anonymoususer852>Speaking of SWH, do they accept tarballs only of software projects? Last I read, they mainly prefer git of some sort, and also may have other requirements that I don't really recall offhand, software projects that has some sort of historical significance or something?
15:08:25<justauser|m>Sent.
15:08:32<justauser|m>I'm not sure...
15:09:13<justauser|m>They probably don't want pictures or so. Easiest way is to submit and see the result.
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15:22:09<anonymoususer852>I should just contact SWH directly. My case is complicated to submit with a single link to a tarball that I have on WBM. They might prefer just the tarballs even if on WBM instead of from something like a FTP dump.
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15:49:42<lemuria>is there any written advice out there about uploading twitch vods of someone whose last stream just ended and they announced on bluesky they were going to "private all their social media"?
15:49:46<lemuria>uploading to internet archive*
15:53:04<phillipsjk>I would be leery about forcing somebody to stay public during the rise of fascism.
15:53:35<phillipsjk>I have archives myself that I have decided are better to keep to myself.
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16:01:14<lemuria>hmm, sounds good. well, there's always uploading 100 years in the future
16:01:24<lemuria>just hope this archive won't kill my storage space
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16:27:42<phillipsjk>I know archive.org has some provision for making things private upon request (specifically of domains asking to be removed from the wayback machine). They do it to avoid getting sued for copyright infringment AFAIK.
16:51:19<lemuria>yeah that's my primary concern; i don't want my archive.org account taken down
16:52:06<lemuria>i tend to focus more on whether it's legal as opposed to whether it's moral (that's always gonna be subjective)
16:53:35<anonymoususer852>You could try contacting that twitch user in question, ask them have they thought about sharing it on WBM before going all private.
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16:54:08<anonymoususer852>Likely they won't care about WBM, but never hurts to ask either way.
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17:08:49<lemuria>I don't have the social balls to do that, I don't even know them!
17:09:03<lemuria>Saw them in my recommended one day, then saw "FINAL STREAM" or whatever, etc.
17:09:18<lemuria>And then my "archive it all before it goes private" instinct kicked in automatically
17:11:10<lemuria>There is kind of precedent for this thing with EileMonty who stopped being a YouTuber for a career change: <https://archive.org/details/eilemontyarchive>
17:11:55<anonymoususer852>Fair call, I rarely have balls to even contact people unless I absolutely have to.
17:16:48<phillipsjk>according to my notes I left 4GB for swap. Maybe I did not configure it properly.
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17:18:07<phillipsjk>also left ~4GB for TRIM to play with with the whole disk encrypted.
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17:18:32<lemuria>?
17:18:40<anonymoususer852>Wrong channel? but I do feel like without knowing exactly what was the last message before the Warrior processes are killed, it's a bit of a wild goose chase.
17:18:46<lemuria>what's wrong with the swap?
17:18:54<lemuria>most abrupt context switch ever
17:18:56<phillipsjk>oops wrong channel
17:19:03<anonymoususer852>Just discussing that in #warrior lol.
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