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03:05:20<h2ibot>Osiride edited Google Video (-21, /* Google Cries Uncle */ fix link): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57045&oldid=51319
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09:22:25<h2ibot>Bzc6p edited Demotivalo.net (+6, /* Sister sites */ odszmeg.com restored): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57048&oldid=53088
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15:43:56<gamer191-1|m>Random thought: aren’t the projects to backup executable files (such as #scratchtheitch and #windowsfixer) kinda dangerous, because someone could poison the data with malicious executables, and people tend to trust the Wayback Machine not to be tampered with
15:44:19<gamer191-1|m>Actually I guess the same goes for all projects
15:45:06<gamer191-1|m>Tbh I’m surprised that web.archive.org accept ArchiveTeam’s WARCs without adding a warning at the top that they could be tampered with
15:46:05<gamer191-1|m>Or does Archiveteam have protection against that (idk how you could protect against it tbh)
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15:48:27<gamer191-1|m>Actually I can think of one way to protect against it:
15:48:27<gamer191-1|m>I’m not an expert, but would it be possible for the warrior to archive the raw responses to the point that the server could download the website’s SSL certificate and verify that the responses haven’t been tampered with?
15:48:27<gamer191-1|m>(For all I know it might already do that)
15:48:47<justauser|m>#windowsfixer should be signed by Microsoft. But overall, most people don't care who touched the data before them even for known-shady-piracy-groups.
15:49:27<justauser|m>SSL doesn't provide integrity other then between the parties running the protocol (so webserver and Warrior).
15:50:04<justauser|m>It may be possible to catch when duplicate items happen and check they didn't diverge.
15:51:35<gamer191-1|m>“SSL doesn't provide integrity other then between the parties running the protocol (so webserver and Warrior).” How does that work?
15:52:17<justauser|m>Generally speaking, SSL client and SSL server share a key for symmetric authentication algorithm (e.g. HMAC).
15:52:49<justauser|m>"symmetric" means being able to verify implies being able to forge.
15:52:53<gamer191-1|m>What if the warrior shared that key with the Archiveteam server?
15:54:19<steering>gamer191-1|m: yeah, do keep in mind that just about any modern software is signed anyway
15:55:09<steering>and a malicious attacker could make up their own symmetric key and their own response encrypted under it
15:55:49<gamer191-1|m>I know
15:55:49<gamer191-1|m>But why would archive.org users verify the signature if they assume archive.org guarantees data integrity
15:55:54<steering>only the parties to the SSL handshake get any kind of use out of it
15:55:57<justauser|m>"just about any" is definitely an exacerbation. "Just about any" small dev doesn't want to pay for the privilege of giving lots of PII away to CA.
15:56:10<steering>I would hazard a guess that *most* of the content in WBM is 3rd-party sourced.
15:56:19<steering>Certainly much of it is, and not just from AT.
15:56:43<steering>justauser|m: well, then their software can't be run on any of the OSes that any users actually use.
15:56:53<steering>let's be real here.
15:57:28<justauser|m>Android accepts self-signed certs OK. Windows might warn, but has no requirement. Linux leaves it up to user.
15:57:33<justauser|m>Not sure about Mac.
15:57:40<steering>lol @ windows has no requirement
15:57:43<gamer191-1|m>“and a malicious attacker could make up their own symmetric key and their own response encrypted under it”-how does that work? Isn’t the entire point that SSL signatures can’t be forged (to prevent MitM attacks)?
15:57:44<steering>someone hasn't used windows recently
15:57:45<steering>anyway...
15:58:02<justauser|m>Typing on Windows right now.
15:58:25<gamer191-1|m>windows has no requirement unless you enable it
15:58:34<steering>gamer191-1|m: No. SSL (TLS) guarantees nothing except to the two parties involved in it.
15:59:04<steering>That is false. Windows absolutely has a requirement unless you go in and manually unblock the file or it did not get MOTW'd.
15:59:17<steering>This has been a thing since Windows 11 was released, at least.
15:59:58<steering>(and *just* being signed isn't generally enough, since it's tied in to SmartScreen or whatever they call it these days)
16:00:09<gamer191-1|m>yt-dlp isn’t signed and no non-mac user has ever complained about that as far as I remember (I’m a yt-dlp contributor)
16:00:36<gamer191-1|m>Smart screen is an annoying pop up that you can just click “more info” and then “allow” on
16:00:39<steering>yt-dlp... isn't signed???
16:00:42<steering>why are there .sig's?
16:00:49<steering>and it's python btw?
16:00:51<gamer191-1|m>I guess that’s somewhat tricky for the average user
16:00:58<justauser|m>.sig's are PGP IIRC.
16:01:05<justauser|m>Not the Mac-native.
16:01:06<gamer191-1|m>I meant it doesn’t have an approved Microsoft certificate
16:01:08<steering>and no, you actually can't do that anymore
16:01:15<steering>and yes, even if you can no usewr is going to
16:01:19<gamer191-1|m>Windows will call it unsigned
16:01:21<steering>o/
16:01:28<steering>meeting time!
16:01:44<gamer191-1|m>?
16:02:13<steering>BTW, as far as linux: almost all software released for linux is also signed, see also: why does it have .sigs?
16:02:42<steering>I dunno about mac but I doubt it's *less* restrictive considering iOS
16:03:03<gamer191-1|m>Yeah, Linux software is always signed because you can easily trust arbitrary signatures
16:03:29<justauser|m>...with public key sitting next to the executables and signatures, so MitM can substitute all three.
16:04:48<gamer191-1|m>Yeah. I feel like the main point of Linux signatures is so distros can safely use untrustworthy mirrors as long as they host the signatures on a trustworthy site
16:05:55<justauser|m>s/signatures/pubkeys/
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16:44:37<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+86, Queued devforum.roblox.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57050&oldid=57022
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20:26:06<Webuser9771075>Hi, do you have the archives of rubyfwi's mym? I saw that you saved his page on the wayback machine.
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20:28:46<anonymoususer852>Do you have a link? Not all pages on WBM are made by AT.
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20:42:25<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Archiveteam:Acronyms (+125, Added "atdr".): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57051&oldid=56633
20:49:26<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Archiveteam:IRC (+99, /* What are the various…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57052&oldid=56895
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22:10:55<TheTechRobo>I thought atdr referred to atdr.meo.ws, the docker registry?
22:11:10<@JAA>It does.
22:11:24<TheTechRobo>Drone pushes to it, but they're separate things afaik
22:11:30<@JAA>Correct
22:32:41<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Archiveteam:Acronyms (-60, atdr means docker registry.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57053&oldid=57051
22:51:26<nicolas17>"archiveteam; didn't read"
23:18:51<nstrom|m>rofl
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