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09:18:40<nick>Heya! Is the source code for archive.today available somewhere? I would like to archive an internal website that is based on an ancient cms. I would like to take it offline, but I first want to archive it somewhere.
09:19:01<nick>archive.today seems like the perfect software to do this, but other suggestions are very welcome!
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09:26:42<@arkiver>nick: archive team is completely not related to archive.today and similar
09:26:56<nick>ah. my bad
09:34:26<Maakuth|m>nick, would wget --mirror cut it?
09:55:02<nick>unfortunatley not. there's the issue of authentication first and foremost. i can get around that by saving cookies. but then there are all sorts of resources on the page that wget doesn't pick up for some reason
09:55:55<nick>and to get everything on the page, you need to do an ajax request, too :(
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14:25:59<systwi_>Too bad nick left, I'd suggest grab-site if that would work.
14:26:25<systwi_>On a related note, I wonder if the archive.today owner has stopped by here before.
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14:30:39<pabs>this person died: https://alblue.bandlem.com/ https://www.infoq.com/profile/Alex-Blewitt/ https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/07/alex-blewitt/
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14:55:32<pabs>a dying company: https://boltmobility.com/ https://www.micromobility.com/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/31/bolt-mobility-has-vanished-leaving-e-bikes-unanswered-calls-behind-in-several-us-cities/
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17:12:31<systwi>I'm trying to save this page recursively with grab-site:
17:12:33<systwi_>https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-install-openssh-sshd-server/
17:12:51<systwi>and for some reason, it just _will not save_. I keep getting 403s every time I try.
17:13:19<systwi>I can load the page in Firefox just fine. Even copying the curl request and running that, I get a 403.
17:13:52<systwi>I tried refreshing the page a few times to have it save cookies, which I then use in both grab-site and curl to no avail!
17:14:04<systwi>I'm really confused as to why this is happening. :-S
17:14:21<systwi>I changed my user agent in Firefox to match that of grab-site, too, for extra measure.
17:16:25<systwi>The 403 is an annoying Cloudflare page.
17:16:27<Jake>server: cloudflare
17:16:40<Jake>It's probably TLS fingerprinting (or something similar.)
17:17:00<systwi>Is that something impossible to replicate over a curl request?
17:17:30<Jake>impossible, no
17:17:41<Jake>https://github.com/lwthiker/curl-impersonate
17:17:49<systwi>Thank you, will take a look...
17:18:02<Jake>something like this gets you a nearly identical fingerprint.
17:18:26<systwi>Huh, is that different from a canvas fingerprint?
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17:19:24<Jake>Canvas fingerprints and similar are all in javascript. Most crawlers, curl, wget, grab-site, etc, don't normally run much of any JS.
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17:34:06<systwi>How do you like that, it saves it just fine that way.
17:34:49<systwi>Thank you Jake! But it would still be nice to save this properly with grab-site instead of curl.
17:35:15<Jake>Of course.
17:35:48<Jake>I don't think TLS fingerprinting has been added to wget-at or grab-site yet. It's quite the endeavor to get correct.
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17:36:10<systwi>Ahh, gotcha. :-/
17:36:56<systwi>Well, at least I know of one more way of saving _something_ when webpages misbehave like that.
17:37:09<systwi>Aside from saving a screenshot, of course. :-)
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17:48:21<systwi>I have somewhat of a stupid question, does it sound like there might be any conflicts with having libnss3/libnspr4 installed on the same machine (Debian 11) as grab-site?
17:48:45<systwi>I ask because I know grab-site has some specific package requirements and I'm curious if having that installed might cause issues.
17:55:57<Jake>well, no. It's a fundamental issue with what's being sent in the TLS ClientHello. Having conflicts there shouldn't matter.
18:23:28<systwi>Okay, sounds good then, thanks Jake for the reassurance.
18:39:46<patrickg>Hi fellow hoarders. I'm trying to collect GNU arch repos (uploaded to archive.org, of course). Any good way to scan for directory names on the wider internet or archives beyond "index of" "..." on search engines? I'm looking for directories named "=meta-info" because that's probably used for nothing else.
18:42:50<Jake>Do you have an example of an item on IA?
18:49:50<patrickg>https://archive.org/details/arch-repo--david_bamsoftware.com--archive
18:54:00<patrickg>These repos were published via http and ftp. GNU arch doesn't have its own network protocols. I bundled them in archives because it's tons of files - every commit is 2-5 files
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19:07:18<Jake>Ahhhhh, sorry. I can't read today! :)
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20:34:45<@JAA>Whew, GNU arch is a name I haven't heard in a long time...
20:50:12<systwi>Without looking it up, is GNU arch a not-very-widely-used VCS?
20:50:38systwi cheats anyway
20:50:43<systwi>Ahh, I was right, heh.
20:51:10<systwi>Or, well, close, if revision control system != version control system.
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