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00:32:48<TheTechRobo>Fuck Disney
00:33:41<TheTechRobo>JAA: Fuck, I'm too late: https://ibb.co/MBb1S6Q
00:33:44<TheTechRobo>All the channels are private
00:33:48<TheTechRobo>(or deleted)
00:34:38<@JAA>Welp
00:34:56<TheTechRobo>*sigh* Why do companies have to exist?
00:35:52<TheTechRobo>Might as well save the death message, it'll be a few KB
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04:47:07<@JAA>mgrandi: FYI, I found some issues in the bpo-GH migration, so I'm waiting for that to get fixed. https://github.com/psf/gh-migration/issues/22
04:47:42<mgrandi>Sounds good
04:48:38<mgrandi>Also, that club penguin thing started making money off their thing, which is probably why Disney went after then
04:48:54<mgrandi>There is a toon town reimagined game and that's been up for years
04:50:44<michaelblob>i'm grabbing the fandom wiki which is still up and almost done thankfully
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08:48:52<Maakuth>murobbs is down for good. thanks again Sanqui and JAA for speedy archiving
08:49:48<Maakuth>judging from archivebot dashboard, the AB job is retrying initially failed extlinks now
09:06:02<Sanqui>oh, there we go
09:06:32<Sanqui>yeah glad we could get it, I only did the obvious thing, JAA is the real MVP here
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09:47:39<h2ibot>Sanqui edited Finnish Web (+225): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48469&oldid=48467
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09:59:19<Maakuth>does AB submit it's results as one batch to IA? I imagine suomi24 is going to be multiple terabytes before it's finished
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10:16:21<Sanqui>Maakuth: nah, it's in 5gb chunks. You can already see some of them here https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/cjcci
10:16:55<Maakuth>okay, cool
10:17:35<Maakuth>there's pretty logical split if you started jobs per category if it proves too big for one job, but let's see
10:17:56<Sanqui>it's a big job, so if we need more capacity (for ukraine etc.) it might get axed, but let's keep it going for now
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11:18:46<mikael>Yeah huge thanks for preserving murobbs. I read that National library of Finland is going to preserve it also, but they usually only allow access for researchers.
11:19:34<Maakuth>my understanding is that anyone could access, but they must go to some specific place to use specific research workstations
11:22:46<mikael>Yes, and I think there are only five libraries which have those workstations
11:23:11<Maakuth>yep. some copyright thing I suppose
11:42:09<Sanqui>most national libraries concern themselves with copyright too much. internet archive is chad, if you'll excuse the term
11:46:48<Maakuth>I think US copyright law also has some sanity that works well for IA
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15:42:14<Frogging101>Are Discourse forums archivable somehow?
15:49:36<@JAA>Yes-ish. Discourse works without JavaScript. The issue is that if you access the archive with JS enabled (e.g. in the WBM), it won't render correctly, just showing 'page not found' or similar instead.
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16:00:41<Maakuth>that's interesting. I wonder if there's an issue about that in their issue tracker. what I've seen of them has been general good engineering taste and cool attitude, so I would imagine they might want to solve it
16:01:28<@JAA>I wanted to look into that at some point but never got around to it. Be my guest. :-)
16:02:06<@JAA>Archiving the JS experience is trickier as you need to emulate all the XHRs.
16:02:12<Maakuth>https://meta.discourse.org/t/archiving-the-public-data-of-a-forum/111829/2
16:02:26<@JAA>But it'd be great if the non-JS archive playback worked with JS enabled.
16:03:11<Maakuth>yeah, should not be impossible to detect if the backend is actually gone and archived
16:03:54<Frogging101>Yeah, I was thinking that if it's archivable, it'd be through some means that bypasses the JS-heavy frontend
16:04:18<Frogging101>Whether through some kind of API, or getting it to serve you pages that don't require JS to read
16:04:33<Frogging101>(ideally the latter as that's much easier to browse)
16:05:03<@JAA>It does serve pages that don't require JS. The problem is that the pages still include the JS stuff for the more fancy rendering.
16:05:37<@JAA>I guess their JS would need to be tweaked to render the non-JS content if the backend call fails.
16:06:53<Maakuth>Or detect the situation and give up
16:07:20<@JAA>That's what it does now. It fails to retrieve the data and gives up on trying to display the topic contents.
16:08:57<Maakuth>hmm. sounds like I should put my backend-developer-who-grudgingly-does-frontend-when-he-must hat on
16:09:07<Jake>https://meta.discourse.org/t/make-discourse-play-nice-with-the-wayback-machine/34579 (old thread, but maybe UA would fix it?)
16:16:20<Maakuth>hmm, it ends with them considering it done?
16:32:00<Jake>for the SPN user-agent, yes.
16:32:14<Jake>I imagine they send them to a rendered out version.
16:35:21<Maakuth>Ah, so maybe AB and warrior should use that one too, at least for discourses
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17:03:34<@JAA>Gross.
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22:49:00<nimaje>why do so much websites do ua sniffing and js only sites instead of progressive enhancement?
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23:58:54<h2ibot>Michaelblob edited WikiTeam (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48470&oldid=48468
23:58:55<h2ibot>Maakuth edited Finnish Web (+46, add one item): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48471&oldid=48469
23:58:56<h2ibot>Absurdnamehere edited Reddit (+32, /r/MakeMyCoffin is banned): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48472&oldid=48457

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