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20:16:07<LegitSi>hey
20:16:33<@rewby>Hi!
20:16:34<froschgrosch>heya
20:16:41<LegitSi>ive got a question
20:16:47<LegitSi>its just a hypothetical but still a question worth asking
20:16:52<LegitSi>at least to me
20:16:52<@rewby>Go for it
20:17:12<LegitSi>Let's say that tomorrow, Roblox says they're going to shut down in 30 days. What do you do?
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20:17:51<@rewby>"Figure out what we can archive and get as much as we can" (this is what we always do)
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20:20:27<LegitSi>i ask because there doesnt seem to be any preparations in place
20:20:32<LegitSi>from what i can see
20:20:40<LegitSi>im horribly out of the loop
20:21:02<LegitSi>and theres a whole lot of user generated content id prefer doesnt get lost
20:21:30<@JAA>We don't normally poke around the web until something actually becomes relevant. There's just too much out there to poke at.
20:21:51<@rewby>The internet is always on fire. Something is always about to disappear. I wish we had the free manpower to prepare for things.
20:21:55<LegitSi>fair
20:22:06<LegitSi>the last time roblox came up in archiveteam was the great roblox outage of halloween weekend
20:22:23<LegitSi>the site was down or impaired in some capacity for 72 hours and 45 minutes
20:22:44<@JAA>Yeah, but we can't archive anything during an outage, and if the outage doesn't last, it's likely to stay around for a while afterwards.
20:22:54<@JAA>Unless there are other signs of instability etc.
20:23:06<LegitSi>to be fair roblox is growing and it looks like they can dodge threats (see the people make games controversy, do you hear anyone talking about it now?)
20:23:13<@rewby>There is also the fact that we have policies on things that require accounts to access
20:23:26<LegitSi>but as someone who's played roblox for a while now i would love to preserve it if possible
20:23:38<LegitSi>rewby may i see these policies? cant find them on the wiki
20:23:54<@rewby>If you want to do the work, I'm sure there are people here willing to help
20:24:14<britmob|m>Roblox is making absolute boatloads right now. The only way I could see it being necessary is if they cull a bunch of maps for ToS reasons (there are a lot of these, and mostly not worth preserving IMO)
20:24:17<@rewby>*help you figure out what to do
20:24:23<LegitSi>i think the least i can do right now is since i know this channel is active if someone asks is to look for warning signs and let you know
20:24:36<@JAA>General policy is 'if it requires auth, it won't happen'. Exceptions confirm the rule. :-)
20:24:44<@rewby>^
20:25:04<LegitSi>like on frontend or backend?
20:25:36<LegitSi>on the account page itself or through the API?
20:25:44<LegitSi>im pretty sure its the latter but just making sure
20:25:55<@rewby>"it depends"
20:26:03<LegitSi>rewby id like to know what to do in case of something like this. any starting points?
20:26:04<@rewby>If there's enough unauth'd content to grab we might grab that
20:26:28<@rewby>Uh. I'm not one of the people who usually writes the actual archival tooling. I'm just a backend data mangler.
20:26:38<britmob|m>LegitSi: Are you talking about preserving roblox maps? Or something else roblox-related? That could be something I’d be willing to help with.
20:27:05<LegitSi>im referring to user generated content within roblox like games, catalog items, groups, etc
20:27:35<LegitSi>accounts would be nice too but i dont know how'd i go about that
20:27:51<@JAA>Just a general remark: virtually everything we do is undocumented. There are no wiki pages to point you at or similar.
20:28:20<britmob|m>Meh, that seems like a lot for a company that is pretty darn stable. I could see preserving maps though.
20:28:31<LegitSi>what do you mean exactly by "maps"?
20:28:33<@rewby>God yeah. We've got so much stuff undocumented or incorrectly documented.
20:28:43<LegitSi>i can tell
20:28:52<britmob|m>Sorry, games or whatever they are.
20:28:57<LegitSi>ah those
20:29:13<LegitSi>if nothing else can be preserved, id love to preserve roblox games
20:29:49<LegitSi>im not in the kind of situation where i can archive roblox games, im just doing this out of an abundance of caution and care
20:30:05<@rewby>I suppose your first port of call is figuring out what the endpoints and protocols are
20:30:26<LegitSi>i have practically zero experience with that sort of thing lol, any guides?
20:31:01<@JAA>See above. :-P To be fair, this sort of thing isn't all that well-documented outside of AT either.
20:31:13<LegitSi>ah
20:31:14<wizards>i think level stealing is a contentious issue in the roblox community, so a lot of level owners would probably object. you'd probably also run up against deliberate obfuscation to prevent exactly that
20:31:23<LegitSi>i guess the only way to get in the loop with archive team is IRC
20:31:23<@rewby>In other places this is considered a "trade secret".
20:31:27<britmob|m>It can get very messy with games
20:31:37<@rewby>Because most companies that do web scraping make their money from their secret techniques
20:31:49<LegitSi>im aware of such things, i just wanna make sure HOW to do it so that when the time comes for it we're better prepared
20:32:02<LegitSi>or at the very least, more prepared than we are right now
20:32:45<LegitSi>but as i see now, theres not really that many avenues
20:32:59<@rewby>Well, your first goal is to figure out *what* you're trying to get. More specifically, what files. Just saying "games" is pointless. Fifugre out what files make a game. Figure out where they're stored and how to get at them
20:33:01<britmob|m>Practice, practice, practice. Learn to use your browser’s network requests tab, scrape some smaller sites with simple tools like python, etc. Learn by doing :)
20:33:34<@rewby>There's no "follow this recipe" because this is all about discovering the system you're trying to archive
20:33:37<@rewby>To figure out how it works
20:33:40<@rewby>And how to get at the data you want
20:33:40<LegitSi>well based on my experience im gonna be looking for the Lua files and scripts that make up the game
20:33:49<@rewby>Well, then start looking!
20:33:56<LegitSi>right then, ill start looking
20:33:58<LegitSi>thanks for the lead
20:34:19<@rewby>Once you've identified the files to get, figure out where to get them
20:34:22<@rewby>And go from there
20:34:55@rewby waits for JAA to tell him he's missed an important step
20:37:21<@rewby>Also, if you're worried about storage space. If the need is very high we can usually find space somewhere
20:37:44<@rewby>But the main challenge is usually getting the data
20:38:00<LegitSi>in my nine years of roblox i have yet to figure out how big roblox games actually are
20:38:12<LegitSi>when i get a couple pieces of data ill extrapolate from there
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23:17:50<h2ibot>LegitSi edited Deathwatch (+67, added roblox in user-made content as its entire…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48160&oldid=48098
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23:43:05<jamesp>Please add in #archiveteam to advertise #gamejilt
23:43:32<@JAA>It was literally just announced there.
23:43:53<@JAA>We can't fit every channel in the title.
23:49:55<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Current Projects (+109, Add Game Jolt; Afghanistan to completed): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48161&oldid=48060
23:52:05<jamesp>Please add Soundcloud to the Hiatus section of the Main Page
23:53:36<@JAA>Meh, that section is already filled with projects that haven't been talked about for years. If anyone disagrees, feel free to add it.

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