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| 01:25:18 | <atphoenix> | mgrandi, FYI, yesterday Ryz mentioned the Jim Sterling situation with a citation in YTA, and ivan chose to re-run it yesterday. So you probably only *need* to focus any posted today. But as always, multiple copies in different locations is still a good idea. |
| 01:31:38 | <mgrandi> | Ah ok |
| 01:31:47 | <mgrandi> | I'll keep it around for a bit |
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| 01:36:00 | <mgrandi> | Youtube dl is also easy to run and requires no time or custom code on my part :) |
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| 15:30:25 | <@Kaz> | 15:27:46 -- | fionera (~fionera@hackint/staff/Fionera): The CTDO Hackint Node will be offline after 15:45 UTC to migrate the Host. Please use irc.hackint.eu |
| 15:30:27 | <@Kaz> | | as your connect Address |
| 15:30:29 | <@Kaz> | see y'all soon |
| 15:30:41 | <fionera> | hehe |
| 15:30:54 | <@Kaz> | i should reconnect now |
| 15:30:58 | <@Kaz> | but I'll wait |
| 15:31:03 | <fionera> | I migrate the box from a plain libvirt to proxmox |
| 15:31:09 | <fionera> | also its ubuntu 18.04 |
| 15:31:16 | <fionera> | and everything is on 4TB hdds |
| 15:31:19 | <fionera> | OLD! |
| 15:40:25 | <@Kaz> | oof |
| 15:40:27 | <@Kaz> | nasty |
| 15:46:38 | <@EggplantN> | See you all soon |
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| 16:01:35 | <@EggplantN> | Oh lol that it |
| 16:01:57 | <rewby> | Looks like it |
| 16:03:17 | <@Kaz> | time to work out which channels i didn't make it back into |
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| 16:11:29 | <@EggplantN> | Ah thelounge does that for me on join Kaz |
| 16:11:33 | <AK> | ^^ |
| 16:11:41 | <AK> | For once I didn't get disconnected this time |
| 16:11:55 | <AK> | (Except my 4am disconnect where it looks like my server lost internet for a few minutes) |
| 16:20:26 | <@Kaz> | well yes mine does too, but it's more about the channels that have invite restrictions on and I haven't got exceptions for |
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| 17:37:52 | <@EggplantN> | Kaz..... again lounge does that for me |
| 17:38:00 | <@EggplantN> | I have it msg ChanServ on join |
| 17:38:05 | <@EggplantN> | Then join for me |
| 17:42:10 | <@Kaz> | yeah that's all well and good |
| 17:42:21 | <@Kaz> | but if the channels are configured properly that's not required at all |
| 17:42:46 | <@Kaz> | I feed weechat a list of channel names, i'm authed via SASL already, so I can just get in (minus one channel that we don't use) |
| 17:43:38 | <@Kaz> | I don't want some rube goldberg machine of 'throw a load of commands at chanserv and hope it replies in time' |
| 17:48:19 | <spirit> | thats a whoopie goldberg machine |
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| 17:53:41 | <fionera> | re :) |
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| 18:34:43 | <@EggplantN> | Hey Harzilein |
| 18:48:37 | <Harzilein> | hi |
| 18:48:39 | <Harzilein> | :) |
| 18:49:00 | <Harzilein> | is this an appropriate place to discuss wget-lua? |
| 18:50:08 | <@JAA> | It depends. For development, there's #archiveteam-dev. Anything else is probably fine here (unless it's project-specific). |
| 18:51:34 | <Harzilein> | i'll just hang out there too |
| 18:52:08 | <@JAA> | Side-note, we don't use wget-lua anymore, it's wget-at now. |
| 18:53:36 | <Harzilein> | maybe it slightly _is_ about projects. i understand that tiny.cc redirects are collected by 301works, but as they are published "locked" on archive.org i'm unsure if the urls i care about are part of their collection. |
| 18:55:09 | <@JAA> | Right. This whole uncertainty around 301works is why #urlteam exists (which doesn't use wget at all). |
| 18:55:55 | <Harzilein> | and looking at archiving just those for myself, i was wondering about extensions to pre-wget2 wget. |
| 18:57:31 | <Harzilein> | ah, i seem to have missed that change as the wget-lua repository url still works. |
| 18:57:37 | <@JAA> | You can probably use plain wget to archive them, although there is the still-unresolved angle bracket issue with upstream wget's WARCs. |
| 19:00:14 | <@JAA> | Or if you simply want a short URL -> long URL mapping, I'd probably do that with a tiny Python script using requests. |
| 19:00:45 | <@JAA> | Alternatively, we could archive them with ArchiveBot to get it all into the WBM, including the pages at the long URLs. |
| 19:01:19 | <Harzilein> | oh, currently with the site active, i'm indeed fine with using wget --max-redirects 0 and c&p |
| 19:04:13 | <Harzilein> | and warc archival is of course nice to have (though i currently wouldn't know how/where to submit that) |
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| 20:14:32 | <eyo> | hi and ping to arkiver |
| 20:14:47 | <@arkiver> | hi |
| 20:14:49 | <@arkiver> | which site? |
| 20:14:58 | <@arkiver> | and why |
| 20:15:38 | <eyo> | every publicy available post of (public) telegram channels, for example: https://t.me/s/ATTILAHILDMANN/49107 |
| 20:15:43 | <eyo> | is this okay, arkiver? |
| 20:16:19 | <@arkiver> | huh telegram works in the browser without account |
| 20:16:23 | <eyo> | yup |
| 20:16:25 | <@arkiver> | eyo: well nice idea actually |
| 20:16:29 | <eyo> | thanks |
| 20:16:37 | <eyo> | yea I'm working on scraping on it |
| 20:16:46 | <eyo> | got a list of ~50 nazis accounts so far |
| 20:17:04 | <@arkiver> | JAA: is this something for AB? |
| 20:17:12 | <atphoenix> | is this a new Telegram capability? |
| 20:17:18 | <eyo> | no its long time known i guess |
| 20:17:23 | <OrIdow6^2> | I think this trick has been used in AB for a while |
| 20:17:26 | <eyo> | thanks for asking JAA, arkiver |
| 20:17:27 | <@arkiver> | eyo: btw stick around please, can take hours before someone replies |
| 20:17:36 | <eyo> | thats okay, will stick around |
| 20:17:58 | <OrIdow6^2> | https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/domain/t.me |
| 20:18:13 | <@arkiver> | OrIdow6^2: does it handle pagination? |
| 20:18:21 | <eyo> | uh sweet |
| 20:18:45 | <@JAA> | Sooo |
| 20:18:56 | <@JAA> | Yes, it works, kind of. |
| 20:18:59 | <@arkiver> | haha |
| 20:19:03 | <eyo> | nice |
| 20:19:06 | <@JAA> | Not everything is supported in the web interface. |
| 20:19:07 | <@arkiver> | is that identifier sequential |
| 20:19:12 | <@arkiver> | well 'the number' |
| 20:19:18 | <@arkiver> | https://t.me/ATTILAHILDMANN/28090 |
| 20:19:19 | <@JAA> | Long videos don't for example, IIRC. |
| 20:19:20 | <eyo> | yea you may count downwards |
| 20:19:22 | <@arkiver> | sequential per user/channel? |
| 20:19:24 | <@JAA> | Yes, its sequential per profile. |
| 20:19:33 | <@JAA> | Mostly, anyway. |
| 20:19:33 | <@arkiver> | this is nice |
| 20:19:36 | <eyo> | yup |
| 20:20:10 | <@arkiver> | if we get tens of thousands of accounts it may be work it to get a project up for public groups |
| 20:20:15 | <eyo> | :) |
| 20:20:20 | <eyo> | that would great |
| 20:20:34 | <@JAA> | Further, as you probably noticed, each page shows 20 posts around the ID you supply. |
| 20:20:38 | <@arkiver> | eyo: well we wouldn't do it for a few accounts |
| 20:20:44 | <@arkiver> | yeah |
| 20:20:47 | <eyo> | arkiver: yea thats great |
| 20:20:57 | <@JAA> | The URLs for images and videos change on every load, but dedupe should handle that in wget-at. |
| 20:21:53 | <eyo> | one could implement following t.me-links |
| 20:22:02 | <eyo> | because they refernce each other |
| 20:22:06 | <eyo> | to build up a "hitlist" |
| 20:22:18 | <atphoenix> | I hate endless scroll. This has endless scroll. I'd love to know of a browser or browser extension that can break endless scroll and give me proper pagination. |
| 20:22:22 | <@arkiver> | yeah just saw the infoplatz one |
| 20:22:31 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: Disable JS and it works. |
| 20:23:10 | <@arkiver> | atphoenix: no endless scroll, POST requests with an after or before param |
| 20:23:22 | <@JAA> | The 'Loading' text is a simple link to retrieve the next/prev page. |
| 20:23:28 | <@arkiver> | works without POST as well |
| 20:24:37 | <spirit> | atphoenix: are you talking about the horrible archive.org design? |
| 20:24:39 | <@JAA> | I never looked at what scrolling does, but I assume it uses a different data encapsulation. Not sure how complicated it'd be to make that work in the WBM. |
| 20:25:02 | <@JAA> | Yeah, that, IA is horrible for browsing without JS. |
| 20:25:11 | <eyo> | get you JAA, would love to help |
| 20:25:19 | <spirit> | dunno, i have js enabled |
| 20:25:50 | <@JAA> | It also hijacks keyboard shortcuts and whatnot. Not a fan of the IA web frontend at all. |
| 20:25:55 | <@arkiver> | anyone have ideas for a channel? :) |
| 20:26:13 | <eyo> | haha |
| 20:26:16 | <eyo> | thinking on it |
| 20:26:29 | <eyo> | telolgram |
| 20:26:31 | <eyo> | or so |
| 20:27:59 | <atphoenix> | thanks, turning off JS helps on t.me. It's more 'normal'. |
| 20:28:44 | <atphoenix> | gtelegrammaphone |
| 20:29:07 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | telegone? |
| 20:29:09 | <eyo> | yes |
| 20:29:26 | <eyo> | arkiver: what you think of ThreeHeadedMonkey's idea |
| 20:29:27 | <@arkiver> | we had imgone already but can do telegone |
| 20:29:27 | <atphoenix> | telegrammaphonehome / tellallgram |
| 20:30:23 | <atphoenix> | telegram -> listengram |
| 20:31:22 | <@JAA> | teragram(me) |
| 20:31:34 | <atphoenix> | gramcracker (grahamcracker) (but no actual cracking of course) |
| 20:32:10 | <@arkiver> | yeah lets not put crack in the name |
| 20:32:17 | <eyo> | well my working title for the script was "nazisreden" which is nazistalking in german |
| 20:32:24 | <@arkiver> | telegone would make sense if its going away |
| 20:32:36 | <eyo> | dont think so arkiver |
| 20:32:43 | <@arkiver> | eyo: we'd be focused on everything, not just that stuff |
| 20:32:47 | <eyo> | ah yea |
| 20:33:10 | <atphoenix> | telepath |
| 20:33:14 | <eyo> | uh |
| 20:33:38 | <@arkiver> | allthegrams |
| 20:33:40 | <@arkiver> | JAA: ^ ? |
| 20:33:47 | <atphoenix> | telepathIA , singing telegram |
| 20:34:14 | | eyo is digging allthegrams |
| 20:34:15 | <@JAA> | Hmm, confusion potential with Instagram? |
| 20:34:21 | <@arkiver> | yeah... |
| 20:34:25 | <@JAA> | Posts there are sometimes called 'grams'. |
| 20:34:40 | | @arkiver is not on instagram |
| 20:34:44 | <@Kaz> | telegrabber |
| 20:34:55 | <@Kaz> | (-er), optional |
| 20:35:02 | <@arkiver> | that is nice |
| 20:35:03 | <atphoenix> | telegrammar |
| 20:35:05 | <@arkiver> | telegrab ? |
| 20:35:07 | <eyo> | telegrab |
| 20:35:09 | <spirit> | teletobe |
| 20:35:11 | <@Kaz> | telegrab. |
| 20:35:13 | <@JAA> | ^ |
| 20:35:16 | <@arkiver> | #telegrab |
| 20:35:20 | <spirit> | best one |
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| 20:42:56 | <@kiska> | Well invite me when chan has been established |
| 20:44:18 | <@arkiver> | kiska: its there |
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