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00:02:49<klea>https://www.wikiwand.com/ - wikipedia copycat with ai, similar to grokpedia AFAIK?
00:05:01<pokechu22>IIRC that's a frontend? Though maybe they pivoted to AI stuff since then
00:05:58<@JAA>> Wikipedia can be beautiful, rich, exciting, and fact-checked.
00:06:01<@JAA>Sounds like it, yeah.
00:06:19<@JAA>> We use AI to help you browse Wikipedia articles better and faster, and to provide more nuanced and balanced information.
00:07:10<@JAA>But they also donate to the WMF. Would be interesting to hear how they're viewed on the WMF side.
00:08:14<@JAA>At least they claim so, but I don't actually see them on https://wikimediafoundation.org/give/benefactors/#a3-leading-donors-($5,000-%E2%80%93-$14,999)
00:11:13<klea>IIRC grokpedia was dumped as warcs every X time by someone in ARIs right? (maybe I'm making this up, but I think it was/is true)
00:12:11<pokechu22>Yeah, JAA is doing that every 2 days IIRC
00:13:41<pokechu22>https://archive.org/details/grokipedia?sort=-publicdate
00:14:53<@JAA>-ish, and currently broken due to changes on their side I haven't yet implemented, but yes.
00:15:10<klea>You only grab new updates right?
00:15:27<@JAA>No, it's a complete archive every time.
00:15:50<klea>That sounds wasteful of archive resources.
00:16:02<klea>At least using revisit records from previous runs?
00:16:08<klea>I suppose not, but can't really know since ARI.
00:17:05<@JAA>ARI?
00:17:53<@JAA>But no, revisit records wouldn't do anything because the HTML changes constantly.
00:18:32<@JAA>I analysed it in detail at one point and found that I could shave off maybe 1 GB of the (at the time) 300-ish GB per run.
00:19:09<@JAA>However, assets (images) didn't exist back then, and it is one reason why archival isn't currently happening.
00:20:26<klea>Access-Restricted-Item
00:21:53<@JAA>Ah
00:23:44<@JAA>Perhaps there's eventually a way to store diffs in a WARC, but it doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon.
00:24:15<@JAA>And it'd massively complicate the machinery since you need to keep the previous version on disk for calculating the diffs etc.
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22:30:40<Webuser869329>Can someone archive cityville fandom website please https://cityville.fandom.com cityville game has been discontinued long ago and as such could be at risk of being removed. The special stats don't give any option to dump the files
22:32:13<pokechu22>I'll start a dump which will eventually end up at https://archive.org/search?query=originalurl%3A(*cityville.fandom.com*)
22:33:24<pokechu22>The existing one that shows up there is https://zcityville.fandom.com/wiki/CityVille_Wiki which is something different
22:53:14<Webuser869329>yeah that is strange as i remember when fandom was called wikia and the original url was cityville.wikia.com
22:53:27<Webuser869329>thank you anyhow
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